happens and i'm wondering why you think a six month wait period, was your thinking behind that? >> just from the standpoint, just opening up a club during the regular hours going to 2:00 is a challenge, it is a challenge throughout our district and having to manage that. our point is that providing that they can manage that well, which i think that they will, i met with them, we've gone over their plan, i think they'll be fine, our comfort level, we like to examine it after six months and seeing if going with the extended hours is appropriate. >> in my eye, i see it appropriate as having clubs closing at different times so you don't have 2:00 in your entire district, all these people pouring out into the street, don't you think it would be helpful in managing crowds to have an extended hours here? >> to a point, but also we have

to look at what our personnel levels are. a lot of times, there's officers that are held over until 3:00 margin for a time and that would boost that even further, so we want to make sure that the patrons are able to leave the establishment and we have to manage that that there aren't the fights and the drunken brawls outside, so it would extend the operating time for the police department as well. that's another factor that we look at as well. >> thank you. >> i have something to add to that. what if the music shuts down at 2:00 but everybody's able to leave by 2:30 so you don't have that intensity being pushed out at one time? >> well, i have to ask the commission, at that point,

would there be an extended hours issue if it were cut off, then it wouldn't be an issue. >> you can't be in the building? >> no, you need an extended hours permit. >> but still grant them -- >> would you do that to your club? >> yeah, our music's off at 2:30 and everybody out by 3:00 but most people are out by 2:30, you don't have the intensity at 2:00, my capacity is bigger than that. >> i have a question for staff. they have applied for a poe and an extended hours permit, correct? if we continue the extended hours permit for six months, that is not within our purview, we can't continue for more than 45 days, is that correct? >> 45 business days from the received application. >> we cannot continue it, so

what you're asking us to do is deny it, and to separate these permits and deny the extended hours and approve the place of entertainment and i'm not likely to want to do that because -- upeder -- under the code, we cannot continue for more than 45 days. >> does the applicant have the ability to delay it further than that time period? >> i'm sure the applicant does. you're going to put that pressure on him? okay. >> as far as options, and granted it's the commission that makes the final call on that. >> but in reading his application, it seems to me that after hours for this particular business and this particular place seems part of his business plan, part of his -- of what he's doing, so we've gone back and forth with after hours before. i tend to agree with commissioner hyde that

staggered closings make more sense in general in most neighborhoods but in business plans that require after hours, it's part of their business plan, to tell them they can't have that part of the business plan tells them they shouldn't succeed and i don't think i'm willing to either continue it, deny it or take it out of their business plan, so i'm probably going to vote for extended hours. >> i also wanted to point out that on exhibit c on their security plan, they do say that video surveillance will be kept for up to 90 days. >> right, we wanted to make sure that it was not only retained but also provided the police department upon request, which i don't think that's going to be an issue. >> any other questions for the officer? okay. >> thank you. >> is there anymore public comment?

alright, then the matter is with the commission. >> well, i mean, for me, you know, staggered closing as you say, in my experience in 12 years of having my place, it helps on public safety situations because not all your security is taxed and suddenly people are in the street and you're trying to round them up and get them on their way, even if they had extended hours for half an hour for now and they can always -- i don't know what the deal is, but at least if we're going to do extended hours, from my point for public safety, i think it's a plus, with we shut off their music or whatever, we can discuss that, but, you know, i'm kind of for extended hours to a point. >> commissioner tan? >> it doesn't seem like -- i think in their plan, it's to

have programming go on potentially until 5:00, it's not necessarily to say we have to start the music at 2:30 so it could be slightly staggered, so i'm inclined to support both the place of entertainment and the extended hours, i think the request here is 5:00 and i don't see a compelling reason not to support that. >> is that a motion. >> so, i move with that -- >> is there anymore comment before -- >> can we discuss after we move? >> yeah, great. >> so i'm moving to approve both the place of entertainment and the extended hours permits. i don't know if you want to divide that, with the place of entertainment permit to go with the police department's recommendations on condition that they hold the video for 30

day and is make that accessible to the police as well as have an on-site manager when there's outside promoters. >> okay, hold on, clarification, you talk about extended hours -- >> i would like to second that. >> commissioner akers? >> being new to this process, i'm going to be asking a question, if we grant the permit and there's problems with the venue, isn't it in your purview to address those issues, we're moving forward with the benefit of the doubt, then we can address the problems with the extended hours, address that later, correct? >> correct. >> so, basically you're saying let's grant it at 5:00 and if they have issues, we

recondition it. >> yes. >> as we've done with other clubs in the past. >> i have a clarification, when you said you move to approve both the place of entertainment and the extended hours, did you put a limit on to 5 or did you just say extended hours? >> in the application, it says 5:00 a.m. >> unless you limit it, it's 6:00. >> right. i'm going to go with what the applicant applied for. >> okay, 5:00, okay. >> alright, so we have a motion on the floor to grant both with conditions placed on the permit for entertainment, that they retain the video for at least 30 days and provide it to the police department as well as having a manager on-site and we've had that second.

>> and a clarification of hours? >> and then until 5:00 with the extended hours permit, pardon me. >> the only thing i wanted to add was that those conditions will be placed and they'll be identical in both of those permits, they're under both sections of the police code, so they will be placed on both of those permits. >> thank you. >> sure. >> call roll. >> commissioner akers? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> commissioner hyde? >> aye. >> commissioner joseph? >> aye. >> commissioner tan? >> aye. >> commissioner lee? >> aye. >> good luck. >> good luck. >> which brings us to item d,

i'm going to butcher this name, i'm sorry, masae matsumoto, dba festa, do you want to come up and address the commission? >> welcome. >> so, it's a karaoke and cocktail lounge in the japan town mall. this permit application would allow them to have karaoke performances, this is a venue that has one stage so this is not a venue with multiple room karaoke and the granting of this permit would allow them to come into compliance, please don't hold it against them that they operated before without a permit once it came to their attention that they needed one, they came right in and have been cooperative throughout the application process, they've done extensive outreach to

their neighboring businesses and even to the residents across the street which is not super necessary since it's in a mall and their entrance faces the interior of the space, there have been no communication tos the commission of opposition and sfpd northern station recommends approval of the application as well. . inger good evening, i'm not masae matsumoto, masae is my wife and she has asked me to speak on her behalf this evening. i hope that's okay. >> that's great. >> if there are any questions, thank you for hearing our application. there's a description in detail of festa of the permit application in section e so i'll try if i may to summarize the key points as briefly as i can, festa is a small wine, cocktail and karaoke lounge,

it's located in japan town, it's in the building which is the same building as the movie theatre there, and it's located on the second floor of the maul, right next door to the bookstore which you probably all know. the business has been operating in its current form and in the same location for over 40 years, so it's been around a while. it's quite small. the maximum capacity is 45 people and there's just a single karaoke machine with a small stage and mic. so people can stand on the stage and sing and we just about get two people on the stage. the clientele are mainly young to middle age professionals, i don't call them yuppies but it's that kind of a category and they include a lot of out of town visitors and also local

ex-patriot managers, a lot from japan, they have a large tradition of japanese song and clients in addition to local people. the hour of operation, 7:30 is official opening time, the business usually doesn't pick up very much until about 9:00 and last orders are at 1:30 and everybody's out by 2:00, there's no live entertainment, no professional entertainers and all the singing is done by the customers, all of whom are amateurs, some i have to say more amateur than others, some are pretty good but they all seem to have a lot of fun. masae provides a large range of songs ranging from romantic,

japanese, american, korean, chinese, spanish, any others? no, so that's the range of languages and they're all used quite a lot. as far as we know, there are no major problems or complaintbacker complaints and we've had positive clearance from the police department. i think it's fair to say that festa makes a positive contribution to the local business environment and the local economy. last september, we learned that the regulations for entertainment permits for karaoke recently changed and we moved immediately to try to move festa into compliance with the current regulations, we filed the application right away, unfortunately i had to leave for europe almost immediately after, but we worked closely with the commission throughout and we completed i think all the necessary inspections and approvals from the city

departments including the police department, the fire department, building including basic building and electrical, public health and the planning department. we also completed a fairly extendbacker extensive outreach program per the good neighbor policy, we talked with a large number of the surrounding businesses in the same building and masae's also made contact with people who are living in the immediate vicinity, and they gave very nice favorable comments on festa. i would like to say by the way, we very much appreciated the commission's help and guidance as we moved through this process, it's been much appreciated. well, on the outreach program, again, i think it's fair to say that masae and her team have built very good and friendly relations with all the

neighboring businesses in the building. the overwhelming majority of the neighboring businesses and the neighboring residents have proved to be highly supportive of festa in addition to very positive informal comments, she's received letters of support from the landlord, and 12 neighboring businesses in the immediate area, restaurants, bars, cafes and a few others inside the building. she's also received favorable comments from the nearest residential neighbors living right across the street on post street who have reported, one of them have given us a letter confirming this, no noise letter coming, as far as the residents are concerned. security has been a very high priority, needless to say right

from the beginning, the access to festa is exclusively from inside the building, so there's no direct on the street access, people have to come through the mall to get to festa and the mall is patrolled by their own security personnel. within the building, the security people, there are two security guards, they're on duty at all time during the hours of operation and they regularly patrol inside the mall. festa itself also has its own doorman who's constantly on duty at the entrance to festa on weekends to monitor the clients as they come and go and make sure they're well behaved and adhering to all the rules including an i.d. check, thanks. there are two security cameras immediately in the area of festa, one of them is their own

security camera and that covers the entrance and the surrounding area immediately outside festa's own entrance and festa has its own security camera also immediately over the entrance and the exit area. >> okay, thank you. >> i'm going on too long i'm afraid. >> i think we can see that you've done your due diligence about security and the mall, so that's great. >> could i say a word about the local economy which i think is a positive factor? >> well, i think that we are -- it's all in the application and we understand about our -- we are supposed to promote and regulate night life and we understand the value of night life. >> right, i apologize for going on too long. >> no, it's fine. >> i love the idea of having karaoke in one place where everyone can hear everybody else and laugh at them.

i love that idea as opposed to little rooms, it's great. >> it says this is the best place to sing karaoke, so kudos to you, it says the song selection gets better with every visit. >> and i would like to thank you for whenever you are notified for coming directly and working on that -- working on your permits and stuff like that, that speaks highly of how you will manage this place. >> thank you. >> is there any public comment on this? seeing none, the matter is with the commission. oh, police. >> they were coming up during public comment, so i was kind of expecting that. yeah, you can -- thank you.

>> hello commissioners, officer dave frias, northern station has no objection to this permit. i met with masae and i asked her immediately if she could get do the letters to the community to show their support and they did that immediately and i was very satisfied with that. i was satisfied with the security as well. thank you. >> congratulations, this is your first time in front of your commission? >> yeah, i'm excited to be here. er >> good job, good job. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> is there anymore public comment? alright, now the matter is with the commission. >> i move to approve. >> i second. >> commissioner akers? >> aye. >> commissioner perez? >> aye. >> commissioner hyde? >> aye. commissioner joseph? >> aye. commissioner tan? >> aye. >> commissioner [inaudible].

>> item e kyung kim dba town music studio. >> the applicant has requested for this to be continued. >> i move to continue. >> second. >> yeah, come on up. >> dave frias, northern station, we request that the meeting be continued to next month as well. >> okay, great. >> thank you. >> i move to continue. >> second. >> commissioner akers? >> aye. >> commissioner perez? >> aye. >> commissioner tan? >> aye. >> commissioner lee. >> aye. >> and that is item number f, richard einselen, dba,

balancoire. >> i didn't put the correct french spelling there, so it's not your fault, 2565 mission, it's the space formerly known as the blue macall, it will be a full service restaurant and dinner club, it will allow the venue to have live music, dancing private party and events, this has been in the works for sometime and the applicant has done extensive outreach including doing a meet and greet for neighbors, there's been no opposition to us, [inaudible] they've proposed 15 additional conditions to the permit application, but i will let them speak to that. >> i'm in the process of

purchasing the blue macob and it will be a full service restaurant, we'll be opening up in the morning between 6 and 7 for coffee, we'll be doing casian type food, there will be a selection of french entrees and asian field entrees, we'll also be doing some clubbing events in the evening and i'll also be making the venue available to some of the neighborhood community organizations for -- i've been in contact with one of them working with the martha kalderone with the commission centers and we'll be doing

charity drives or whatever, and i guess that's it unless i have any questions. i met with -- a while back, i met with the permit officer, officer gary buck ner at the time and we went through my security plan and the conditions that seemed acceptable except for one which i had a nagging question on and the officer will address that, she sent me an e-mail on that today. any questions? >> so, am i correct in assuming here, this is a place of entertainment plus an extended hours permit until 4:00 in the morning? >> no, the extended hours, we scratched that. >> so, that's a place of entertainment and you intend to be open from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m.? >> right. >> you were talking about your eaw speakers and you're talking

about three amp mri fao*irs, that is one of the most powerful amp that they make, in that neighborhood, you'd be shaking the building behind you as has been our experience with the blue mcaw and then you have 1 thousand shot per channel. >> the sound system in their application is the same as the blue m cc aw, it has not been changed so everything you're saying is absolutely correct. we have also talked to them and that the operational

consideration and so forth that were put on the blue m cc aw is being put on them before, so the sound control, we don't foresee any problems because it's the exact operation both in sound system and parameters. >> also i spoke with the neighbors that had the units behind the blue m cc aw and they have really -- he told me there's been no issues. >> my concern is that in looking at your application, it seems great that you're going to do french food and stuff but it seems that your personal background doesn't have any entertainment in it. >> that's okay because my background is project manager, and what i've learned as a project manager, you don't have to be an expert in what you're doing if you bring the right

people in. >> that might be true, that's why i want you to understand that the amp fao*irs and the speakers that you're purchaser in this club are very powerful and although our sound officer will set you at a level, you have to make sure that people performing, whether they are dj's or bands do not override that level, do not push the amps, you have to be cognizant of what's going to happen, there are lots of neighbors around that venue. >> i do understand that. i've been there many nights with the current owner and what she does and what i will continue to do is monitor that during the evening, the the dj's get a little crazy and try to crank it up -- >> how do you intend on monitoring it, using your ears? >> yes, we do -- that's what she currently uses, yes. >> is her ears? >> just so you know, i'm just

going to -- that sound travels, okay, so it's physics, sound travels and sound -- certainly frequencies of sound build up when the longer the distance that they travel, so a basement for instance, you could stand next to it and it will sound a certain way and if you went down the block, it would be exponentially louder, that's how base travelers. >> i get you. >> and i have one other question. in your security plan, attitude check is a door policy, really? it says attitude check. >> can we get clarification on that? >> i don't know that i've seen

that before actually. >> commissioners, good evening, my name is shaw, head of shaw security, attitude check is one of many ways that you can address this, simply they say how are you, they respond back, i'm going great, or they get attitude from them, those are the kind of tools as security doormen we have to make sure we're getting the right kind of clientele in, so it's a colloqialism. >> and during the week, patrol and perimeter as needed, what does that mean? >> as needed is in preference to entertainment, if tles ao no entertainment happening on a thursday night, if they're just serving dinner, they won't have security