for eligible tax proceeds. we have plenty of items that you approved. and they include our capital project expenditures that are appropriated to large part. and includes the repayment of bonds. by using these proceeds to repay bond service it allows low increases for rate payors. this gives a look at what the rate increases would be with and without the prepayment. you see the most dramatic is that absent of prepayment we need 26% one-time rate increase. followed by smaller ones after that. however now we would be able to shave off 14%. a pretty material amount of money as lower rate increases in 14 and 15. the schedule is for your consideration, and then to the board of supervisors in january,

and bawsca would be teed up to the bonds in january. >> thank you. commissioner moran. >> i would like to make a comment. this is amazingly good. it's something where a need was identified that turned out to benefit us and bawsca. bawsca had to do the heavy lifting, between legislation and corralling many members, more than on this commission. and one that the agency could not have done. so i think it really marks a real step forward. and a tremendous accomplishment on bawsca and our own staff. and it's a nice model for areas

where the puc and bawsca can work together. where there is clearly interest on both sides. and neither interest has to see their interest to the other. i will move the item. >> so a motion has been made to move the item forward, a second? >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded. any public comment. yes, sir, and thank you for your patience on the earlier item, by the way. >> you are very welcome. one comment, i appreciate commissioner moran's comments. it was a matter of corralling a board of 26 policy makers. and the agencies each had to pass a resolution to make sure this could go forward with everyone's confidence. as of last night, 17 of the 26 had adopted their resolutions. the other nine are asked over the next few weeks. we anticipate it will be a 100%

participation. it's corralling the members of the board and the members of the agency. and it's been a good achievement and a good opportunity to work with your staff. with the respect of the question that mr. moran is thinking, how do you do that. you asked that before how i work with the agencies to get them moving the same. and my answer is the same, i am a magician and i won't reveal my tricks. >> any other public comment? mr. decasta. >> i want to thank todd for doing a good job. and art jensen, even though he said what he said, he makes it a point to have a real good relationship with those that count. i have not attended the bawsca

meetings in a long time, but used to at one time. and it has on a regional level that we have this type of relationship so that we can move forward in a very methodical way. so again i would like to thank todd and art for the wonderful work. because you know, normally we don't hear them. but it's time for us to acknowledge their good work and to thank them. thank you very much. >> thank you, any other public comment on item 10? seeing none. public comment is closed. the item has been moved and seconded. commissioners. all in favor signify by saying aye. >> aye. >> the ayes have it. the motion carries. madam secretary, the next order of business. >> item 11, authorize the

issuance of task orders above the initial $100,000 allowness approved at the october 9 commission. >> julia ellis, with this item we are asking the commission to authorize staff to move forward with task orders with davis & associates communications are for marketing services for the cleanpowersf program. at your previous meeting you asked for less than 100,000. and asked how the uses would be utilized. based on that draeirection, we worked on this plan to ensure

that san francisco residents are fully informed by the cleanpower program. and we worked with staff and mayor's office and board of supervisors and community members. and on friday, november 30, we presented the plan at the joint lapsco meeting. and during the meeting, commissioners torres and moran and vietor passed the plan. and supervisors provided constructive feedback on the communication plan and urged us to move forward quickly. and we are seeking to authorize the additional task orders that would not exceed the $1.4 million. and this would allow puc to take

an extensive communication effort and target eed residentsn phase 1 are aware of the program and its costs. funds associated with the contract would be utilized for city-wide telephone surveys and grassroots programs like environment now, and for television, and advertising services, for graphic design services and other types o outreach for the education of the cleanpowersf program. it's our commitment based on the feedback from you and the board of supervisors to ensure that the customers know what this program is. and how that opt out. and if they choose to stay with the program to understand the

features. in closing in the last meeting commission moran had asked questions of how to reach out to other community programs. the board of supervisors offered the following program, that during phase 1 of the program we should not actively outreach to low income communities given the premium price, but to target them with the go-solar. that means during the opt-out period that we will if low income communities identify their interest in the program, they would be offered the 20% discount that, is similar to the 20% offered by pg & e. we have identified and are in

conversation with community based organizations that can do outreach for us targeting those communities as part of the green-power ssf program so they know it's available. and we are in the process of talking with affordable housing developers if the go-solar dollars or efficiency dollars could be targeted for housing developments that could benefit low income residents. as it includes low income residents, to be aware that there is a premium program and be sure we don't add additional costs to these communities. that's this item and happy to answer any questions. >> can you are remind me, the

$100,000 that we first approved. wasn't that for them to come up with a specific-detailed plan of how the rest of the money would be spent. you guys did that. >> we did do that. >> did davis? >> they did not, we had conversations with davis & associations of the direction. but the outreach and communication about the early notification program has been staff driven. and we haven't outlined the money but have a plan, and that was presented at the joint meeting and you guys got a preview of that. this is developed in consultation with davis & associates but we took the lead of staff. >> that was my understanding, i think that the framework is strong and seemed to include everything in it. don't have a clear sense of what

davis & associates would do, which portions they would take on and implement. relative to the staff-driven stuff. and whether between those two entities everything would get done that needs to get done. or to bring in an additional consultant or someone to make this program work. >> may i suggest, we have been trying to make sure that everyone is comfortable with the approach. and as juliet said that our approach is staff driven. given that it seems that everyone is okay with the approach. what we can do is now engage the consultant and really kind of formulate the team. because we want make sure that the team is put together in the best way that will ensure success. and what we can do is come back before we execute just to kind

of say, this is the team, these are the people. these are the people that will reach these certain groups, to come back to you with that information. would that be okay? >> yeah, that would be great. and also which pieces of the plan. you know that have comments and feedback from the glasco members. i think it was pretty close. but those revision pieces. and which pieces, davis would do versus staff versus some other piece that maybe either one. and what would the team look like and who would do who pieces to get a better sense and use of those resources. >> in what month will we are are are -- have the results of survey? >> i believe end of january, i will look to staff. end of january. >> i will entertain a motion.

>> you want public comment? >> public comment before we entertain a motion? i do have a speaker card, mr. decosta. >> i can move the item to get it on the table. >> thank you. the motion has been made and seconded. mr. decosta. >> okay, first and foremost, one of the most important things that i think (inaudible) luncheon at the joint meeting that we had, is that we need to incorporate san franciscans to do the survey. you see what i see here, all the staff is doing. so may i ask for a resume from the staff. if you are not from san

francisco, what type of information are they getting about san franciscans about the issue. right off the bat, you don't need to be a rocket scientist. when i saw that colored map showing that you an all of those other areas where other people live who maybe interested in clean energy. but putting a color on a map detrimental to the people who have been adversely impacted for decades. i as an environmentalist, i am not going to keep quiet. we need added outreach to those areas. and the only way that can be done is when the local people knock at the door. and the people that are comfortable with them, answer a number of questions. which i guarantee you that the

staff did not do. now if we have some consultant and we pay them millions of dollars, that's fine. provided we have the empirical data from the right areas to do the right thing. i see you just asking questions in general and not going to what type of quality work has been done. so it's left to y'all. this an enterprise department that generates a lot of money. and you can use your money wisely or waste your money. but i am here to tell you in district 10 and 11, that survey with that map that you have has to be revisited first. and that's what the chair, kind

of said after i spoke. and we also need to get some empirical data in district 10 and 11 as to the pollution and contamination. because simply speaking that's where the power plants were and polluted the area for 60 years. and as an environmentalist i have the duty to inform you of that fact. >> thank you, mr. decosta. mr. brooks. >> this is the last one, eric brooks representing san francisco green party. i want to pick up where commissioner vietor left off, on october 9 when you give the preliminary okay for this. i got up and gave tentative support for it. but commissioner caen rightly insisted that davis & associates

be appropriated $100,000 for a detailed plan for what it would do for the remaining $1.3 million. we do not have that yet, that money has been spent. the framework from the meeting. there are difficulties with the framework, and i understand that you okay with that, but now we are approiating the money for this. if you start the process and do the full funding now, the survey that is done will be based on a $10 premium on one year and $20 for two-year. it will be similar to those done. that survey will not be

incorporating the possibility of what i spoke to after the general manager's report. that there might not be a premium. we may be able to offer people 100% green without any extra costs. and if we jump the gun and do a survey before we know the answer of that question, and looks to get that answer around the end of january. we will do an unnecessary survey that doesn't include all the data. what advocates asked and i can speak on behalf, you stick with the plan of appropriating $100,000, to have davis & associates to work a plan for the remaining funds. and in that process they should communicate with local power about the possibilities of the

build out and their financial model. and this possible exciting new model with noble energy credit and all of this great stuff i have been talking about. if davis & associates takes this on, they have the full picture of what they market to the public and the survey work. and local power has demonstrated for their plan it work they need survey work that is targeted on specific commercial and residential customers based on joint arrangements. and shares purchasing and things like that. all of that has to be wrapped in. we would ask that you take the $100,000, and develop a stronger plan. and come back in january with the incorporation of the possibilities raised by local power considered in that plan.

>> commissioner vietor. >> can i ask a question about the survey. i thought the survey had a question on there that says, would you be willing to pay $10 more or $5 more or willing to enroll -- whatever, would you be interested if there is no additional increase. because without sort of having to get in the nuance and detail of what local power and build out is. i thought we were also getting that information, so when we do contract with davis. they would then be able to have the new financial modeling, or whatever, the options that we end up with. as part of their strategy. >> the poll that will go out in january will have information about refresh. and we will have a better sense at that point in time with the

poll after the refresh happens. and we will be asking folks questions about pg & e program and if they offer a similar program and if they would stay. there is money in the budget to do additional polling after local power's work is done. if there is things pertinent to clean power, and substantive way, and we can go back in the field and talk to folks. but the challenge for us as folks that live in san francisco and as do the folks at puc -- just a little plug. couldn't help myself. the communication work is organic. and commissioner torres mentioned this in the joint glasco meeting. and we have a road map that will

provide us community-based partners and with the environment. and craft messages and going into the weeds about what the survey looks like. and work with a firm on that survey. the details of the questions that we develop will happen around the survey in january. it will be released in january and do that process. and we have done tons of polling in the field. and with the community, we have begun conversations with the mayor's office and with the board of supervisors and cac members, and etc. where we need to go deep with regards to both pushing forward with the go-solar program, and the energy efficient dollars that are tied to low-income households. and who to partner with in district 10 and 11. even though they are not on the dark green of the map.

we believe they can make the program more attractive with the green overlay. our commitment is to reach out to those communities. and the direction from the board of supervisors, they have that fine line and that balance to not trap anyone. and in particular not capture low-income household in this power program. where they could be more hard hit and felt. and to your point, we can come back as regularly as you want to. there it will be different kind of milestones along the way and they will be developed as we go. >> my question was really about this poll. and if we could include in the survey so we don't have to go back into the community. a question that addresses this issue of financing. and gets a sense from these

communities, and throughout the city, especially the dark green ones. about the appetite of how much more they would be willing to spend. and part is a comparison of pg & e, and part is also with the promise of a local build-out. and that numbers would be competitive to what they are. and there wouldn't be rate increa increases. if we could capture that information up front and not go back out. >> we will work with the clean power advocates as we have regular meetings with them as we draft this poll. and the presentation on friday and the assumptions with local power model, is still at play. and still trying to figure out

the numbers work. >> yeah, and that aside, let's get all the information we can up front to figure out what the appetite is for the rate hit. >> definitely. >> dr. jackson. >> thank you. dr. jackson. i have received calls and some people go on the internet. i don't do that, because i don't know how. and there was a question concerning the davis & associates. especially with public education community engagement and the advertising in the different areas. and because in my community and i always talk about bayview hunter's point. because i don't talk about

nobody else's area. in my area in district 10, we have mostly latinos, asians and samoians, and those who don't read english. everyone knows i am the mayor of hunter's point and they ask me the question. and who will they hire to knock to doors? because a lot of people will not open their doors to strangers. they know the people in the neighborhood. and i want you to think about this clearly. we have people that have worked jointly in the community over the last 30 years. because of our influx with the redevelopment agency. so the thing of it is, i want to let you know that people are watching. and a lot of people are watching what is being said here on this

project today. because as you know, people talk but they don't do nothing. and we have gone through that, at least i have for 50 years. promises made to the community and have not been followed through. and they are asking me, mr. jackson, are they going to follow through? and i say yeah, because i am a doctor. the doctor is watching. >> thank you, any other public comment? seeing none, public comment closed. commissioner vietor. >> i wanted to get back, you said not execute or what is your thinki thinking? >> as you know on every commission we give you an update. and what we would like to do is start engaging on pulling the right people on the team. identify what the roles and

responsibilities are. and too formulate the questions to help with the graphics, and come back to say this sort of the plan. at every stage, like the questions, i think those questions are very important that we ask, you know the right questions to get a response. so that we better know how to roll the program out. so i just feel that you know moving forward every week or every commission meeting we will give you an update. so i think if we move forward, you still have the ability to check and see the direction of the program. >> commissioner moran. >> i think that last comment is important. in most matters when we approve a contract. we don't hear about it again until a modification or close

out. and this is an area where this commission has a great deal of interest and wants to stay involved. on the other hand, i think it's not appropriate for this commission to stay on top of an award decision. you know trying to get the next piece of information before the award is made. that gets too close to intruding into the general manager's prerogative. but we care about this a lot. and interest from the community. this needs to proceed not like a regular contract but one where there is ongoing involvement and information and sharing with the commission and public. and with that understanding, i am comfortable moving the item. >> i would like to add, only that given the fact that we have been presented with the map. and it's been discussed. and it looks like what we have seen before, kind of like t