don't want to go over old ground that we've covered through the previous process. i don't think that's fair to the applicant and what we said before so that's my only caveat here unless somebody objects to that. >> no. i think the process we put in place was put in place for a reason. i want the record to reflect commissioner loftus spoke to the applicant personally and here and came back up so i don't know if that discussion will be given to us secondhand or not. i'm uncomfortable because i don't know what was asked. i think if we want to put it over get it out on paper. this poor guy is trying to get their jobs and we agreed on a process and we're dragging this process out and i just want to get it completed. >> president mazzucco: commissioner loftus. >> yeah. i was trying to respect the privacy rights of the officer that he wouldn't be pulled up here to answer a question and a

question that a fellow commissioner had. so i'm happy to -- i'll take the advice of the city attorney, my fellow commissioner had a question in a she felt would be helpful and be dispositive is this. >> if the information will be helpful and dispositive it's something all commissioners should have access to. >> so i'm happy to tell it for the record now because without -- identifying who the person is because he's not been seen on television. >> his name is in the agenda. >> okay. >> and we're discussing a particular person's application. >> my suggestion -- thank you, commissioner lostis for asking the question. i take responsibility for any fault. perhaps we could relate thisi,jz information via sgt. jes-ina. >> i'm happy to report to him what was said to me and what i asked. >> ask the city attorney to report to the appropriate procedure when an applicant comes before us when a individual takes them aside and asks them questions whether that is private or not private and i think it's a really

inappropriate procedure. >> i recommend whatever the question was can be submitted in writing and whatever the response was can be submitted in writing so all commissioners have that information so there won't be any problem. >> we can follow up. >> and this whole process, while it seems cumbersome and i know that it is, there were concerns raised by the patrol special officer association, and the applicants about the confidentiality of this information. they're very legitimate concerns. so we're trying to respect their privacy while still giving the commission the full range of information and the full ability to consider and evaluate the application. >> just so the record's straight i think the process we put in place is to go through the ant who is reviewing the applicants. i think it's ifn tim dating for a commissioner to set aside and take a applicant aside and ask if he wantsjp9jñ to talk about a private matter. i find that disturbing.

let's honor the process and put the question to the sergeant and sergeant will provide the information and the applicant will tell the sergeant whether he wants to reveal the information. >> president mazzucco: what i will suggest is we put these questions in writing, like my question for example and again i apologize for putting this over for two weeks. this process is cumbersome as the city attorney said. it's because this is a unique situation and it's pursuant to the request of the patrol special police officers association. so we're trying to play by all the rules here and make sure this is done right. so with that in mind i'd like to put it over two weeks. commissioner loftus. >> i appreciate everything commissioner dejesus said and her fidelity to the procedures and i certainly subscribe to wanting to make sure what we're here to do which is move this process forward. these guys have come forward a number of occasions and asked repeatedly every time they come

to give different information and i stand fully ready to comply with the procedures and i want the record to be clear, commissioner dejesus the reason i went to talk to him was my concern that he would be seen on television, not just with his name but with the specific allegations we were concerned with and i think that could invade his privacy. but you have my full and complete cooperation and i do hope that we can get this resolved shortly so we don't keep bringing these guys back. >> president mazzucco: i don't think there's anything intentional and everything was done with the right intentions. so commissioner chan. >> commissioner chan: another question i had, since we are putting this over and i agree we should put this over -- >> if the question is going to be disclosing some of the information in the application by asking for follow-up on it, i think it's better to submit the question -- if it's a specific question about something in the application, just asking the question alone is starting to

disclose information. >> okay. i will put that in writing. thank you. >> president mazzucco: commissioner dejesus. >> commissioner dejesus: i didn't mean to insult you. i think maybe i should be a little more delicate. just that we have a position here and as the commissioner going to an applicant it could be seen as intimidating. i didn't mean to say you were intimidating. i wanted to honor the process so the applicant can be comfortable as well. >> i appreciate it and i know you said it in the spirit of trying to be helpful and i appreciate that. >> president mazzucco: thank you. so with your permission, patrol special wily, we're going to put this over two weeks and officer romero with your permission and we'll put the questions in writing. thank you. please call line item no. 6 please. >> the clerk: discussion and deum to special patrol officer

hart. action. >> president mazzucco: edward yim is present. there was one follow-up question. i know there's been an answer to it. and commissioners, do you have any further questions? because i think we're probably prepared to vote on this one. there's no further questions. i would move to -- any public comment regarding this? hearing none, public comment is now closed. i would move -- oh, yes. >> just for general purpose, i would love to see a copy here of policies and procedures for patrol specialist, and some type of a hierarchy code chart, since my understanding i assume they're not under the jurisdiction of occ -- the commissioners be able to see what is exactly the channel of disciplining in misconduct cases for patrol specialist. thank you. >> president mazzucco: thank you very much.

any further public comment? hearing none, public comment is now closed. i move to adopt and accept the application and appointment of edward yim as assistant patrol special officer to patrol special officer scott hart. >> i second it. >> president mazzucco: all in favor? roll call. >> president mazzucco, aye. vice president marshall, aye. commissioner dejesus, aye. commissioner chan, aye. commissioner turman, aye. and commissioner loftus, aye. upon motion passes unanimously. >> president mazzucco: thank you very much. now patrol special officers scott hart can take a couple days off. spend some time with your family.

welcome back, officer yim. please call line item no. 7 please. >> the clerk: line item 7, public comment on all matters pertaining to line item 9 below closed session including public comment on vote whether to hold item 9 in closed session. >> supervisor chiu: any comments -- >> presidencomments --comments - >> president mazzucco: any comment? hearing none, public comment is closed. do i have a second? >> second. >> second. >> president mazzucco: all inj: i need a second. >> second. >> president mazzucco: all in favor? aye. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. we will now move into closed session. >> the police commission is now in closed session. >> we're back in open session

and you have a quorum. >> president mazzucco: please call the next line item. >> the clerk: line item 11. line item 10, sorry, vote to elect whether to schoas any or all discussion on item 9 held in closed session san francisco administrative code 67.12(a) action. >> second. >> all in favor. >> ayes. >> line item 11, adjournment. >> president mazzucco: so moved. all in favor. >> ayes. >> president mazzucco: thank you very much.

>>a good afternoon and welcome to the rules committe for thursday jan. 17. i really elected the visor norman yee who will be chairing beginning in february. i would like to note our work and the staff of sftv mike freeman and jesse --

who record the meeting and make transcripts available online for members of the public. are there any announcements? >> city clerk: make sure all cell phones electronic devices are turned off and all materials submitted to the clerk. >> could you please call item 1. >> appointing one member ending october 19, once seat and one applicant. if we could have mr. bass? for all applicants today the format is similar would ask you to briefly go through your bio and your work history as it relates to this position and a little bit

about what you hope to accomplish or prioritizes a member. for the eastern neighborhood citizens advisory committee. >> thank you so much. supervisor yee, like to see you here today. supervisor kim, thank you supervisor farrell thank you. -- again good afternoon my name is walker b ass.i am so pleased to be here is the nominee for the eastern neighborhood citizens advisory committee. i would like to thank supervisor cohen for her confidence in me and appreciate the chance to be with you to highlight a few of my qualifications. i have been a resident of homeowner in district 10 for seven years, a resident of the bay area for 12 years; like many transplant i have fallen in love with our city and have

become an active member of our community by becoming engage in political matters in volunteering my time to support good causes. i worked in the clinton white house for three years working presidential personnel and making recommendations on, yes, political appointment in his administration. i have a decent understanding of the political process and the appointment process to be sure. my career in the bay area has been and is the development primarily in large companies now with ernst & young. i also started a food truck with friends. and i chose local vendors to support our local economy. as a district 10 to this and i committed my time to community involvement as well as an advisory committee member with the mission ymca, and supervisor avalos's

district. we sponsor a food and wine event, any golf tournament in santa cruz; we raised over 1,000,000 dollars of those events. i volunteered to junior achievement of the network for teaching entrepreneurship where i spent time with high school children discussing finance and business. i have become engaged in local event to discuss the future of the district and i recognize their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity facing district 10 and the eastern neighborhoods to create iconic and lasting projects for the overall community. insum , i have a strong desire to serve the committee in his capacity and put the time to understand the issues. whether it is transit improvements

to meet the need of rapid development, affordable housing, pdr< more open space, city services, i know tough decisions will have to be made by the board of supervisors and city leadership in years to come. in my nominations met favorably but the committee and the board as a whole i will be pleased to join the cac to assist in those efforts. thank you for your time i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. at this time we don't have any questions for the committee members. i will open this item for members of the public. thank you so much. if there are members from the public who like to speak you have two minutes. seeing none, public comment is closed. (gavel) a seat appointed by supervisor cohen in district 10. do we have a motion? >> motion to move mr. bass

forward with a recommendation up to the board. >> we have a motion with recommendation. do we have a second? we can do that without opposition. (gavel) congratulations mr. bass. >> item number two is considering appointing one member from determining november nineteenth the bicycle advisory committee. one seat one applicant. >> thank you could recall mr. casey allen. since he's not in the audience we do have the file in the record, reappointment. served in the bicycle committee since 1999; an appointment from supervisor avalos's staff. we will open up for public

comment. >> my name is -- hill chair of the bicycle advisory committee. mr. allen could not make it today apparently but i do want to speak in support of him. casey has been on the bac longer than any other member, handling roberts rules of order. also has an incredible knowledge of the city. he has bicycle for a long time and is highly unusual in the fact that his profession as a local landscape architect in gardner with specialty of the native plants of san francisco. works exclusively in returning front yards to its original health, huge volunteer effort. what is most important about that is he doesn't entirely with his bicycle. we want more people who do the business on a bicycle, especially landscape design and architecture. he lives what he walks.

he is a wonderful community member i would like to support his nomination, and urges appointment. think is so much. >> thank you so much. seeing none public comment is closed. (gavel) colleagues, we typically ask for appointments to the present. but it is as a reappointment. is there a motion? >> i move the nominee to come on board. >> we have a nomination, mr.

allen to the full board. was recommendation. we have a second and can do that without opposition. >> item 3 appointing board members to appeal boards number one. there are four seats, five applicants. >>i do understand that one of the candidates, alberto rios has withdrawn his application. we have four seats and four applicants. we have several of the candidates here beginning with joseph tham. the format is the same talk about your background how it relates to this position. if there are questions of the committee i will direct them to you. thank you for being here.

>> good afternoon my name is joseph tham. i was on board from 2002-2011, i finished 12 years at the puc, i am retired now. i have been in the real estate business as a sales, appraiser, certified general appraiser; sales since 1983, appraiser since 1987. on the board since 2002. i want to continue my public service i have been involved with the glbt and chinese community. i want to continue public service and hope to continue my service on the board.

i am seeking one of the two vacancies, seat 2 and 5. either one of those. >> i want to clarify again, although this is already in your record, but for the sake of the public that you have a minimum five years professional experience in the state and one of the areas listed as an area of expertise. >>yes, i've sat in board 1 and 2, and hearing officer during the nine years i was on board 2. >> thank you so much, seeing no questions from board members, we will hear next from mr. mark watts. thank you mr. tham. >> good afternoon my name is mark watts. i have an alternate member of the board.

i have served in this position for the last two years. i have heard -- whether a single-family residence or complicated commercial property the principles remain the same. this is also what i do for a living. i have more than 20 years experience as a commercial real estate appraiser in san francisco. i appraise complex commercial properties. thank you. >> i appreciate your willingness to continue serving as a full-time member of this committee. thank you. are third applicant is mr. scott spertzel. >> i am reapplying for alternate member for board 1,

which is served for the past three years. i have 15 years of experience as a certified public accountant doing both public, accounting work and litigation matters as expert testimony. during the past three years i had the opportunity to work as a hearing officer. i am also a certified fraud examiner. any questions? >> seeing none, thank you very much. [indiscernible] and last but not least we do have ms. donna crowder. >> hi my name is donna crowder. thank you. supervisor yee, nice to see you. i live in your district. my work experience as it relates to this alternate

position for board 1, i have been a real estate broker since 1977, and independent for 20 years now with -- coldwell banker. during my tenure i sold or manner of commercial, and business properties. i specialize in high-end residential sales at this time of my career and development. i have been very active in the san francisco association of realtors and the california association of realtors. >> thank you. it's great to see a female applicant for this board. there are no questions of board members at this time. we will not open up for public comment on this item.

if you would like to speak on this item on behalf of any applicants approach. >> good afternoon rules committee. (singing) city maybe you and i can point as one. city, maybe you and i can be as one. and -- appoint the city better. make me wish there were 24 hours to each city day. appoint me something good. >> thank you mr. paulson.

any of the members of the public? >> i have been administrator for the assessment appeals board. i'm here to answer any questions. >> i apologize for not bringing you up earlier. are there any other members of the public that would like to speak? seeing none public comment is closed. (gavel) we have four applicants for four seats; helps ease the process for us. great to see four very qualified applicants. it is great to see mr. watts who has served as an alternate now apply for one of the seats of the assessment appeals board. it's a lot of work and it is important work. we appreciate the volunteer spirit in applying for these positions.

>> make a motion to move mr. tham for seat 2, mr. watts for seat 5, ms. crowser for seat 8. ifmr. spertzel seat 6. gvl (gavel) >> item four. assessment appeals board. four seats, nine applicants. >> i believe several candidates are here and alberto rios

has withdrawn his nomination. four seats, eight applicants. ms. lewis. >> good afternoon, i am a licensed attorney in the state of california. coming today seeking reappointment to the appeals board. i was seeking your regular appointment. i would like to amend my application and add alternate as well because i do have a full-time government position. >> do you prefer to be an alternate? >> that is my preference. however i still would consider a regular appointment. as far as my experience i have been the president of the condominium association for the past 15 years. i am an active landlord,

over 25+ years of public service. in a municipality, the city of berkeley, as well as at the federal level. i have worked with the very diverse population over the years. since my initial appointment, i function primarily as an alternate hearing officer presiding over approximately 40 cases per month; i have also occasionally filled in for board 1 or 2 as needed. since i was before you last i have engaged in self-study, real estate appraisal; i enrolled in the real estate class in san francisco college. completed all of the required training to the city and county of seven cisco, brown act,