>> any questions on that? >> moving forward to wrap it all up i will have captain oleary come and give you a brief look into the future of the gun laws in our state. captain? >> >> we had a quick question. >> i can wait, until the end. >> okay, great. >> thank you. >> so, what the future holds for us? >> some of these things are technology, and some of these things are executive action and some of these things are legislation, the technology is in california, there is a law that says, that all guns manufactured in the state of california have to engage in microstamping, that is a method in which the gun itself leaves a mark on the casing from which the bullet is fired. it is the hammer that strikes the primer and the chamber that

the bullets is in when it leaves the gun. it is not enacted at the moment, it is a law, it has to do with the patent and with the technology and so some people will argue about the pros and cons of that. but it just would create evidence that would assist in identifying what gunfired, what round. it would also apply to revolvers. as far as present obama's proposals, he made them this month. some are executive actions and some he is calling for legislation. but he too is requiring asking for criminal background checks for all gun sales and he was going to address that by removing some barriers in health laws that prevent some states from making the information available to people

that need it. he would go about improving centers for states to share information within the system and making sure that all of the federal agencies are talking with each other. and he would also make sure that his ag would be talking with the federal law enforcement agencies. and it goes on where his plan, you know, goes into the assault weapon ban. and he called for it to be reinstated and to be strengthened. and the one that this nation had expired in 2004 and also, he directs some of his action toward us, toward the police. as far as getting rid of the armor piercing bullets and giving us tools to prevent and prosecute gun crimes he calls for more school resource officers and more counselors in the schools and he asks that

the nation assure that youngsters that people that are 16 and 25 years old are the ones that where the mental illness appears in us. and also, that is the same age group that is less likely to ask for help. and he also wanted to insure that the healthcare, covers programs that would offer, you know, treatment for mental illness. >> senator finestien proposed an assault weapon ban and it kind of looks like the burdy law in california and it specifically calls for stopping the sale and transferring the importtation of more than 100 specifically names guns and it goes on as the law does in the state and it says that certain futures create and if a gun has a certain feature it is an assault weapon and therefore it is ban. and it also talks about

addressing, the high capacity magazines. we want to stop at ten rounds. and here, at home, marelee is proposing a san francisco ordinance, that would prohibt certain ammunition and it goes on to fine the rounds that are exclusive for the law enforcement and the military and get that back in the hands of the police. and also, it would be held that somebody that sells, more than 500 rounds, of ammunition of one sale it must be reported to the police, so that is what the future holds, you know, microstamping is here and not in use, president obama presented his plan. the senator presented her

weapon's ban and mareilee has proposed legislation. >> there were two other measures that are discussed that are provisions in the new york law, one of them requires that anybody that is in some sort of a counseling or, mental counseling, devujing that they want to use a gun in the commission of a crime or do anything criminal with a firearm that needs to be disclosed to law enforcement like when it is a direct threat and the investigation into that person could then be through the court and be their guns could be taken away and where they reside, there could be no guns in that premises which would have taken care of mr. lanza and there would not be any guns allowed in that house. >> the provision where the guy shot the buildings on fire in new york and shot the firefighters as they responded and it is additional enhancement for harming a first

responder, those will be two more adds that the law enforcement would love to see. and the public trying to get a handle on who exactly gets to keep guns. >> commissioner kingsley? >> well, thank you, captain, for your really wonderful presentation, as well. most of my questions, i think, are directed towards deputy chief beal. and in first i just want to say that the presentation tonight was just really excellent across the board, on all ends. and to thank all four of you for it. and i know that you spearheaded this, deputy chief and thank you very much, very thorough informative. >> i really appreciate that on that note i just want to thank these officers because they put a lot of work into this and a lot of their own time and worked hard and we wanted to make sure that they were very thorough.

>> thank you. just a couple of questions if i might please. on the prevention page, when you were talking about the violence reduction team of ten officers and then two officers plus two, that offer mobility. >> four teams of ten. >> four teams of ten. and that at any one time there is one team that is on active duty, is that how it works >> at all times there are at least two teams and on double days all four teams are working. >> and how are they, are these officers in their respective district and if they were called to respond, they would have to leave the respective districts or are they independent of one of the ten stations. >> they all work together as part of the major crimes unit under the captain, they are one single team, they are called the vrt and all work together and they stay together.

>> so, vrt is separate? >> they are not tied to any district station. they are died to whatever the pattern is at the time. and they are predeployed in anticipation of violence and then redeployed if it pops up somewhere they were not, and hopefully it will not happen where we think that it will happen and when it happens somewhere else we move. >> really what you are pointing out is that if there is any large scale mass shooting or something of that nature, these folks, this team, that is on duty at that time, are really freed up immediately, to go there and then you can get additional... >> well, in the event of an active shooter, it is always going to be patrol first, they are always going to be the first ones there and that has always been the case and if they can lock down and define the perimeter and then the swat would be the group to take them out. >> many are specialist and they

are sniper and they will take out an outer perimeters if they are the first person there they are equipped to answer, but ideally it would be a set perimeter, these guys are more for gang violence, shot spots, and anticipation of retaliation, verses an active shooter would actually be a critical incident. >> thank you for distinction. >> the other question, has to do with the youth engagement, which is very impressive, the list of programs that the department is involved in. and there is a lot of mentoring that goes on there. are there any formal education components to it around gun safety, so they find a gun in their home or in the community? you know, what to do, about it? in terms of keeping themselves safe? and anything having to do with

if you hear your friends you know, knowledge about where guns are or threats that they are going to, you know, commit an act in their class or in another setting, are there youth oriented, or gun violence prevention programs in any of these youth projects? >> well, when our school resource officers? the school are always continually engaging with the kids. the kids are always being told to call the police, just in case they need the police were here to help. and if they find something that they feel is dangerous, or if they don't want to touch the weapon, a needle, anything they are always welcome and encouraged to call us, we work with the schools and the parents. we don't have a formal, let's say a classroom-type of program set up but we work with them on

a continuing basis through pal and all of the other programs and engaging with us through the wilderness program and the cops are with the kids and talking about various things, life in general. how to become an adult, teach them how to grow up to a man or a woman and to be respectful and to get themselves to a position in their lives where they are in control of their own destiny >> we don't want any kids touching guns, they can call 911 if they think that it could happen in a hurry, they don't have to say who they are just tell us where to go and we have a tip line, 575-4444. and that is 24/7, if someone knows the where abouts of a gun and don't want anything to do it and want us to go and scoop it up so something does not happen. call and let us know, we don't need an arrest we just want the gun. >> and that is for everybody. >> everybody that wants to call >> on that note, if anybody wants to turn in the guns they are welcome to turn in the guns at any police station will take

their guns, no questions asked. we will render them safe and if anybody finds a weapon call the police and we will be out there to pick the weapon up. >> thank you, deputy, chief, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we appreciate. dejesus. >> i had a question on the last thing that you talked about, i understand the congressional hearings, one of the criticisms was that the people who no longer were able to have guns, will have their guns and i understand that california we have a cross-reference checking, so if there is an order of domestic violence or something, put in place, then it is matched up with if he owns a gun if the person owns a gun or not. >> right. do we have a unit that actually goes and takes the gun from them? >> what we were doing is we were having some of the frat officers do that and act in concert with our plain clothes officers on the days that we had an overlap and we did net several guns, there was a grant to actually go and do that

expired and we still do it if we know about it, maybe the chief beal he was in investigations when we were acting on it. >> are you talking about frat? >> no, recovery of the guns from prohibited persons. >> yeah, the team took the lead on that. what we would do at that time we ko call fabre and he would coordinate the list of people that were prohibited and we would every day take a time out in the schedule to go out and visit those people and recover the guns whenever possible and at one point we recovered over 250 of these guns every day and pass it out to district stages like we said earlier to make sure that all, or anyone that was prohibited in their district, the officers knew about it and then, they would be coordinated effort to go out and reach out and contact these people, and get the guns back. >> and run out now? >> it is not grant, there is no reason why we can't take a look

at where we are at with the program right now and reinitiate it ourselves. >> right, i was thinking or develop some type of unit that has that responsibility and perhaps a budget if we need to. >> i was going to say, there are so many things that we are going to do when we get back to full staffing, especially now that we initiated these efficiency plans that get us more people, but creating units is nothing something that is a luxury that i have right now. >> we actually had officers out of vrt that enjoyed that and took it upon themselves to make sure that they got that list down and paired it down, i think that we went through that list in about, seven or eight or nine months. >> but, again, it manifest itself and so we will get a fresh list and start it up again. >> that was one of criticisms that we have, not we but we have a law and some law enforcement are not talking the responsibility or the opportunity. >> commissioner that was a complete go to the fridge and get the box and we went right through the list.

marshall, a couple of things. >> commissioner kingsley, and do the prevention piece, i have never looked at the department as a that it is not their forte, i don't think that it should be, they put into place because and because they are doing their best. i think that it is the community responsibility for do the prevention piece and i think that it is the family's responsibility to do the piece. i think that as much partnership in the department and the community agencies and the community to only increase the success. and the prevention efforts. i mean, i just hear that, i always say you are asking the

police to do something that we are not trained to do, what i think is their primary responsibility. >> the further that we get and get everybody in harmony on those and working in partnership we will have much more success around the prevention, when it comes to prevention, the most ideal is that the young people don't want to carry and deal with the firearms in the first place, that is prevention, and it makes everybody safe. >> and maybe we will have more discussion on that later. >> at some point, if you don't mind, on the looking forward, the piece that is listed here, if you don't mind talking about today, because i think that what we do today is on the table and looking forward. so if you don't mind talking about that. >> sure, commissioner, and i were part of a panel with congress woman jackie spear, leader nancy pelosi, and mike the chair of the new committee to figure out what is the most

practical approach to reducing guns, he is a big gun owner himself. but he spoke to the fact that assault rifles are not something, weapons of war is not something that he would be in favor of but more in controls and national registries and background checks and psych protiles and on and on. and mayor lee, who obviously is pretty much the local leader on this kind of thing and myself, and... >> and congress woman jackie spear too. >> she has been and just took 700 guns off of a buy back of their own. and somatao county sheriff was represented and it was a great cross section of people on both sides of the issue in the crowd. some people had been victim of gun violence, i know that we have a month thougher who lost her child here with us tonight and we never have to have that happen again tonight that is what consensus is that we can figure it out and what happened

in newtown, obviously took the nation's conscious by storm, we lost 45 people, people of them young people and people of color where it all too common-place. if we can figure it out and we can get rid of these, choppers and machine pens and the like, i mean these guns came off the streets of san francisco, and an ak san francisco killed isaac espenosa and it is just way overdue and the congressman made a statement that the people that think that this is about taking their guns away, he is is wrong because we have a striker gun laws in california. in fact the national law, because these guns do travel, there were 60,000 guns sold in california last year. there is no problem getting and buying a gun if you are the right person and using it recreationally and lawfully and the whole thing, the way that these guns travel is there is no way to know that you are safe from these things if the

laws are so disparaged state to state. >> i know that we are talking about the what happens in san francisco, but i think that it has been pointed out if things are not done elsewhere, is there any way that it won't matter what we do in san francisco, but the guns travel and so you know, commissioners, i just want to say that i was very, the host of the meeting of the boys club today. i was actually very heartened by the, you know all of the people who are here from leader pelosi down to allen mire and i mean this is an opportunity for us to get a lot done in these areas. i mean i was... and the selective was a great cross section of people there. but when it was done, and you know, some of these forms can be tough, it seems like everyone left with a very optimistic about moving things

forward with the president's proposals and even if folks disagree, and i will say this, i think that the selection of mike thompson is very good. because he is a gun owner and you know he started out and saying that i am for it, and so i was actually heartened by it, i don't know how you felt. >> we have a lot to do here and whatever your policies are. but this is a moment and an opportunity because of newtown and just tell you really, not that you tug at anybody's heart strings. but a young girl who actually participated in president obama's i don't know if you heard about that, inauguration last week, she played in a band and she went back to chicago and got killed yesterday. >> so, unfortunately these things go on, but i am thinking that there is some, you know, political will to do something about it at least some of the big pieces on there, of the plans, so hopefully bright and

her better days are coming. >> yeah. >> 15-year-old girl. >> yeah. >> anything further. >> thank you so much, it was an excellent presentation. >> thank you. >> let's call item 4 b. >> item 4 b. occ's director report, review of recent activities presentation of the occ's 2013 community out reach and strategic plan and report on out reach activities. presentation of the occ's 2012 first amendment compliance audit of san francisco police department records purchase su ant to department general order 8.10. >> presentation of the occ's monthly comprehensive statistical report and companion reports for the

periods of january 1, 2012, through december 31, 2012 and january, 2011, through december 31, 2011 and immediatation of the complaints in the december 26013 and adjudication of the sustained complaintses in 2012. >> good evening, and members of the audience, i sure picked a finite to have four reports to give too, please bear with me. last night i attended a community forum held at the san francisco public library by the bart office of the independent police audit or and the review board. both were created as a result of the oscar grant shooting. the review board and the office of independent police officers held the community forum to advise the public about how to file complaints against bart

police officers for misconduct or neglected. >> that is the shortest review by far >> now moving to the 2013, community out reach. >> in 2008. the office developed an annual community out reach strategic plan which seeks to improve the public and police understanding of the occ's service and goals and accomplishments. our mission statement in our strategic plan is to create transparency about the goals and accomplishments. to strengthen the occ's relationship with the communities historically and likely to have encounters with the police. and to enhance the occ's ties to populations racially or culturally isolated from the police services, to work with community groups, other agencies, and the police department to find effective

solutions to enhance police community relation and police services. >> under my direction and as with our previous community out reach plans, this 2013 plan was prepared by two of the attorneys in our office. donna and sandra each of them play a kehl roll in out reach. miss salasar organizations the program as well as the out reach efforts. miss marion through the work as the occ attorney engages in out reach through the contacts with the members of the community and the police department as she proposes and drafts new policies for the police department. >> the purpose of tonight's report is to set forth the occ's out reach goals for 2013 and to summarize the occ's progress in carrying out the strategic plan in 2011, 2012. we are a small city department but we use a community based

approach that continually builds upon our existing partnership and through this we have been able to maximize our resources and out reach efforts both in 2011, and 2012. in addition, to providing information about our services, our out reach efforts include gathering information from stake holders about the policing issues that are of concern to their communities. the information that we received is vital in shaping our policy, objective and priorities. and we work in partnership with community groups and other city agencies and the police department. and we seek to find effective solutions to enhance community police relation and police services. >> throughout both 2011 and 2012, we made presentations about our program to a number of audiences, we collaborated with numerous community organizations on police policy and participated in a wide range of community events. by doing this, we were able to

strengthen our relationship with communities, and again, which historically, and statistically are likely to have encounters with the police. we focused on communities racially culturally isolated from the police services, during the last two years, we continued our collaborativive work with the community organization to advance juvenile policing policies, language access services during the police interactions with the limited english proficient individuals and the police response to the mentally ill and the individuals that are in crisis. we worked in partnership with a number of organizations that included the domestic violence, and the mental health association and the hukle berry assess sxment referal center and the asia pacific out reach and the police department and we played an active role in facilitating solutions to a video of policing issues.

we gave presentations about our services, to a number of audiences. pe made presentation to the san francisco youth commission, the commission on status of women, the san francisco chapter of the national alliance on mental illness, nami. the height, youth summit and institute familiard and that just names a few. we participated in a roundtable sponsored by the human rights commission, and attended a roundtable was attended by community health workers, the district attorney and the police department. and the issue was the use of condoms as evidence of prostitution. we also met with a staff of be magic representing youth in the bay viewpoint as well as the national council on crime and

delinquency. we participated in advocacy day and discussed constitutional policing with high school students and provided them know your rights of youth in san francisco brochure. we addressed audiences they university of california, berkeley law school. the universe of san francisco, the san francisco city academy and san francisco city college. our medation program also played an important part in our out reach and in 2012 we reached a community board peace keeping record for excellent and adr practice. we were acknowledged by california state senator mark leno and the san francisco board of supervisors. also in september of 2012, the coordinate and her long term, occ mediater, participated in the solute to the bay area

volunteer mediators at at&t park. we are a unique oversight mod sxl we regularly attract interest both internationally and nationally, and from academic communities. during 2011, and 2012 we hosted representatives from other agencies such as the san diego police and review board. the office of the police monitor and the newly formed bart office of the police auditer. in addition to hosting members from other american civilian oversight agencies we also met with international representatives. we addressed the invitation of the police department, the dell delegation of the justices that were visiting th