>> would the president like to call roll? >> please do. a >> president mazzucco in >> present. >> vice president marshal? >> he's in back, he's on his way. >> commissioner de jesus? >> in route. >> commissioner chan? >> present. >> commissioner kingsley? >> present. >> commissioner turner? >> here. >> commissioner [speaker not understood]? >> here. >> mr. president, you have a quorum and also with us this evening is the chief of police

gregory p. sur and the director of the office of citizens complaints joyce higgs. >> thank you very much. welcome to the february 6, 2013 san francisco police commission meeting. we have an agenda tonight with the presentation regarding our officer involved shooting protocol and investigations. and we have no disciplinary matters or personnel matters so it should be relatively smooth agenda. so, please call line item number 1. >> line item 1, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission regarding item that do not appear on tonight's agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or occ personnel. under police commission rules of order, during public comment, neither police nor occ personnel, nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public, but may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and occ personnel should refrain,

however, from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. please limit your comments to three minutes. >> thank you. first speaker. you have a disk? yes. >> we'll start your time.

i played it here before. i don't know why it's not playing.

>> while you're doing that's correct we'll have other speakers. when you're done, we'll go right into you, okay? next speaker. good evening. >> good evening. once again, my name is maria bailey, and i would like to also thank law enforcement for coming into the tenderloin district more often. i really appreciate the hard core law enforcement and i'm asking for more. please fit that into the budget, it is a must. that district is really bad. i know it's not the only district, but the need for more hard core law enforcement is a must. black crime is all over the tenderloin district. drugs are being sold and used in the streets everywhere. remember my paperwork that i gave to you in september 2012 requesting major sting operations. please refer to that paperwork again because i hit the nail on the head with that. and i really thank you very

much for backing that up. i would also like to see law enforcement down in that district 24/7 and that's where the budget comes in because i would also like to see hard core tactical law enforcement 24/7. the district needs tough action. all crime must be stopped. bring in law enforcement that is tough on crime. stop and frisk is a must, it must happen. these criminals are holding drugs, money, weapons, et cetera, et cetera. crime must be stopped now. that district is a really bad district. i know it's not the only one, but i'm asking for this to be done. we need hard core law enforcement down there all the time. it's a must. teach these criminals a lesson. thank you very much. i would like to give this to the police commissioners and greg sur. much respect to all of you. thank you. >> thank you. ms. brown, are you ready?

[speaker not understood]. okay, i'm going to play it. >> okay. >> [speaker not understood]. i'm showing this all the time because, again, our

children are being senselessly murdered on the street to senseless violence. my son is also on this video. along with a lot of other men that have been murdered on the streets of san francisco. i know there was a press conference concerning calvin collins today and i grieve -- i understand what that family is going through. and it's been many years for that family also as well as it has been for us mothers and father's who have lost children to homicide also. and we just want the same recognition that any other family that's getting for their children that are being murdered, especially people of color. black and latino and pacific islanders. this is something, this is my son laying in a casket. i have to think about this every day when i walk out my door every day and see where my son laid. i'm also in school.

i have no class today and that's why i'm here. i met the supervisor, the board of supervisors meeting and i'm doing this all the time. i guess like i said, i'll be doing this for the rest of my life and i want to keep my son's memories in the public aye. -- eye. i want justice, too. i need some closure. i wish that -- that i can get someone -- i don't have no one to, you know, have an investigator and no, not that he's not doing -- i enjoyed calvin jones. but i know he's getting ready to retire and i'm still [inaudible]. that's it. (applause) >> next speaker.

hi, my name is pat condi and i live in the tenderloin. we're concerned about the tasers being voted on before we can gather enough information about the people in the community and what they'd like to do. i personally would like to see more money go into something that's more meantly -- mental health oriented. and, so, the group that i'm working with a hospitality house, and we've got a date set for march 25th at 201 turk street and we invite the police commission and the chief of police to come and speak in front of the organization and tell us about why you think tasers would be effective in the tenderloin. and i understand that you've been going to other meetings at the bayview next week and i saw you at the western addition. and there's studies that convey the fact that tasers may not be

effective and i'd like more information and i would like time for people, instead of a vote being done behind our backs, there needs to be more time for the community to become educated and informed so that we can have some say in what's going on and where the money is being spent. that's it. >> thank you very much. ma'am, ma'am, we'll be glad to hear your comments at the february 11th meeting at the bayview opera house. and if you call commission -- bayview opera house? >> yes. that's for the bayview. >> no, this is for the entire city. we have had meetings around the city. do you want to hear -- do you want to hear what i have to say or not? okay. so, we will be having the third meeting on february 11th at the bayview opera house. we've had two previous meetings on subject. we'd love to have your comments

heard there. just as you attended the meeting, i believe you said on january 22nd. so, we'd love to have your comments there if you could come, please. [inaudible]. >> well, please call the commission house for that information, okay? march 25th at [inaudible]. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. commissioners, ray stryker, [speaker not understood]. andrew carnegie said as i get older i pay less attention to what men say. i just watch what they do. i've been coming here several years now and i listen to what you say and i watch what you do. president mazzucco is very, very fond of telling me that i don't control the agenda. he's right, he does. he can arrange the agenda, have it distributed to the public and then ashe [train crashing] arbitrarilily change it

whatever he wants without results. [speaker not understood] power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely. all i ever requested on a number of occasions is that the commission be honest with the public. * if the cost and time of the lawyers, witnesses, court reporters or whatever are more important than public participation in these meetings and the rights of citizens to speak with the commission members regarding matters they consider important or matters that are presented in the meeting, then just be honest about it. publish an agenda which actually reflects your priorities, your true priorities so that members of the public can make their plans based on reality. don't pull a bait and switch on the public. and there were a lot of comments after i brought this up last week for the fourth time that i have been in this body where we have rearranged it, gone into closed session. the very first time you went to closed session for four hours. when you came back, i was the only person in the public that

was here. last week you did it. you were in closed session for an hour and 15 minutes and i don't know whether you noticed it, but the only people left after that closed session were the people making presentations to you and about four members of the public. if your priority is the concern about the expense of the closed session and the lawyers and so forth, then put it number 3 and let the public know that's your priority. now, i took this to the sunshine ordinance task force a couple years ago and they said, no, they have control over the agenda and, yes, we see what you're saying. there were people who were denied their right to speak, but we can't do anything. i'm thinking about refiling that complaint because now i can show a pattern of behavior, a pattern where you decide to put out an agenda and then at the last minute make a change, go into closed session, and i watch people or members of the public who came here to speak

with you, who came here to talk about things -- other things on the agenda. and i watched them leave in disgust. and i'm not saying any of these things to make you look bad. i'm just asking you, if you're doing these things, don't shoot the messenger. >> any further public comment? clyde? i do concur with you in some way, sir, but in other ways i've been here through, what, three or four police chiefs. i've never seen corruption here. i've seen candidness. we've had some disagreements with some of the commissioners. you know, some insults were exchanged between commissioners and myself. some officers will, but i'm grown up. i'm 61. but what i want to say right now, i saw a video today from the mission district. i sent it to you and her. it's on the internet. i don't know if you got it or

you heard about it. i talked to the captain in the mission district. he was very blunt. he was very sincere. he said, clyde, i didn't know about that. there were two cops who jumped off their bike and beat the heck out of a college student in san francisco college, african-american male, 21. i don't know all the details. i'm not going to rush to judgment. i don't know what happened before that happened or what happened after that happened. but i think it needs to be reviewed. i'm sure chief sur will. that's why i brought it to his attention, her attention, and i'm sure ms. hicks, you'll get involved as well. i'm not going to pass judgment, but things like that need to be over viewed. thank you. >> thank you, clyde. jeremy? good evening, commissioners, chief.

i'm here tonight to speak on a few different issues and actually a couple of them have been brought up by previous speakers. so, i'll be brief. the first issue that i want to speak to was the issue that clyde just brought up, and that was the police beating of kevin clark, a young man a few weeks ago at 24th and mission. there's video footage of this. no charges have been -- were filed against mr. clark that would warrant any such action on behalf of the police department. i find it abrent and there will be a public speak out. i did not organize it, but i'll be present there. there will be a public speak out tomorrow evening at 5:00 p.m. at 24th and mission where the community will express its views on that. but it definitely needs to be reviewed and it is a far cry from best practices. second off, i want to echo the appeal for a taser forum in the tenderloin. there have been cries out