>> would the president like to call roll? >> please do. a >> president mazzucco in >> present. >> vice president marshal? >> he's in back, he's on his way. >> commissioner de jesus? >> in route. >> commissioner chan? >> present. >> commissioner kingsley? >> present. >> commissioner turner? >> here. >> commissioner [speaker not understood]? >> here. >> mr. president, you have a quorum and also with us this evening is the chief of police gregory p. sur and the director of the office of citizens complaints joyce higgs. >> thank you very much. welcome to the february 6, 2013 san francisco police commission meeting. we have an agenda tonight with the presentation regarding our

officer involved shooting protocol and investigations. and we have no disciplinary matters or personnel matters so it should be relatively smooth agenda. so, please call line item number 1. >> line item 1, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission regarding item that do not appear on tonight's agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or occ personnel. under police commission rules of order, during public comment, neither police nor occ personnel, nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public, but may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and occ personnel should refrain, however, from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. please limit your comments to three minutes. >> thank you. first speaker.

you have a disk? yes. >> we'll start your time.

i played it here before. i don't know why it's not playing. >> while you're doing that's correct we'll have other speakers. when you're done, we'll go right into you, okay? next speaker. good evening. >> good evening. once again, my name is

maria bailey, and i would like to also thank law enforcement for coming into the tenderloin district more often. i really appreciate the hard core law enforcement and i'm asking for more. please fit that into the budget, it is a must. that district is really bad. i know it's not the only district, but the need for more hard core law enforcement is a must. black crime is all over the tenderloin district. drugs are being sold and used in the streets everywhere. remember my paperwork that i gave to you in september 2012 requesting major sting operations. please refer to that paperwork again because i hit the nail on the head with that. and i really thank you very much for backing that up. i would also like to see law enforcement down in that district 24/7 and that's where the budget comes in because i would also like to see hard core tactical law enforcement 24/7.

the district needs tough action. all crime must be stopped. bring in law enforcement that is tough on crime. stop and frisk is a must, it must happen. these criminals are holding drugs, money, weapons, et cetera, et cetera. crime must be stopped now. that district is a really bad district. i know it's not the only one, but i'm asking for this to be done. we need hard core law enforcement down there all the time. it's a must. teach these criminals a lesson. thank you very much. i would like to give this to the police commissioners and greg sur. much respect to all of you. thank you. >> thank you. ms. brown, are you ready? [speaker not understood]. okay, i'm going to play it. >> okay.

>> [speaker not understood]. i'm showing this all the time because, again, our children are being senselessly murdered on the street to senseless violence. my son is also on this video. along with a lot of other men that have been murdered on the streets of san francisco. i know there was a press conference concerning calvin collins today and i grieve -- i

understand what that family is going through. and it's been many years for that family also as well as it has been for us mothers and father's who have lost children to homicide also. and we just want the same recognition that any other family that's getting for their children that are being murdered, especially people of color. black and latino and pacific islanders. this is something, this is my son laying in a casket. i have to think about this every day when i walk out my door every day and see where my son laid. i'm also in school. i have no class today and that's why i'm here. i met the supervisor, the board of supervisors meeting and i'm doing this all the time. i guess like i said, i'll be doing this for the rest of my

life and i want to keep my son's memories in the public aye. -- eye. i want justice, too. i need some closure. i wish that -- that i can get someone -- i don't have no one to, you know, have an investigator and no, not that he's not doing -- i enjoyed calvin jones. but i know he's getting ready to retire and i'm still [inaudible]. that's it. (applause) >> next speaker. hi, my name is pat condi and i live in the tenderloin. we're concerned about the tasers being voted on before we can gather enough information about the people in the community and what they'd like to do. i personally would like to see

more money go into something that's more meantly -- mental health oriented. and, so, the group that i'm working with a hospitality house, and we've got a date set for march 25th at 201 turk street and we invite the police commission and the chief of police to come and speak in front of the organization and tell us about why you think tasers would be effective in the tenderloin. and i understand that you've been going to other meetings at the bayview next week and i saw you at the western addition. and there's studies that convey the fact that tasers may not be effective and i'd like more information and i would like time for people, instead of a vote being done behind our backs, there needs to be more time for the community to become educated and informed so

that we can have some say in what's going on and where the money is being spent. that's it. >> thank you very much. ma'am, ma'am, we'll be glad to hear your comments at the february 11th meeting at the bayview opera house. and if you call commission -- bayview opera house? >> yes. that's for the bayview. >> no, this is for the entire city. we have had meetings around the city. do you want to hear -- do you want to hear what i have to say or not? okay. so, we will be having the third meeting on february 11th at the bayview opera house. we've had two previous meetings on subject. we'd love to have your comments heard there. just as you attended the meeting, i believe you said on january 22nd. so, we'd love to have your comments there if you could come, please. [inaudible]. >> well, please call the

commission house for that information, okay? march 25th at [inaudible]. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. commissioners, ray stryker, [speaker not understood]. andrew carnegie said as i get older i pay less attention to what men say. i just watch what they do. i've been coming here several years now and i listen to what you say and i watch what you do. president mazzucco is very, very fond of telling me that i don't control the agenda. he's right, he does. he can arrange the agenda, have it distributed to the public and then ashe [train crashing] arbitrarilily change it whatever he wants without results. [speaker not understood] power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely. all i ever requested on a number of occasions is that the commission be honest with the public. * if the cost and time of the lawyers, witnesses, court

reporters or whatever are more important than public participation in these meetings and the rights of citizens to speak with the commission members regarding matters they consider important or matters that are presented in the meeting, then just be honest about it. publish an agenda which actually reflects your priorities, your true priorities so that members of the public can make their plans based on reality. don't pull a bait and switch on the public. and there were a lot of comments after i brought this up last week for the fourth time that i have been in this body where we have rearranged it, gone into closed session. the very first time you went to closed session for four hours. when you came back, i was the only person in the public that was here. last week you did it. you were in closed session for an hour and 15 minutes and i don't know whether you noticed it, but the only people left after that closed session were the people making presentations to you and about four members of the public.

if your priority is the concern about the expense of the closed session and the lawyers and so forth, then put it number 3 and let the public know that's your priority. now, i took this to the sunshine ordinance task force a couple years ago and they said, no, they have control over the agenda and, yes, we see what you're saying. there were people who were denied their right to speak, but we can't do anything. i'm thinking about refiling that complaint because now i can show a pattern of behavior, a pattern where you decide to put out an agenda and then at the last minute make a change, go into closed session, and i watch people or members of the public who came here to speak with you, who came here to talk about things -- other things on the agenda. and i watched them leave in disgust. and i'm not saying any of these things to make you look bad. i'm just asking you, if you're doing these things, don't shoot

the messenger. >> any further public comment? clyde? i do concur with you in some way, sir, but in other ways i've been here through, what, three or four police chiefs. i've never seen corruption here. i've seen candidness. we've had some disagreements with some of the commissioners. you know, some insults were exchanged between commissioners and myself. some officers will, but i'm grown up. i'm 61. but what i want to say right now, i saw a video today from the mission district. i sent it to you and her. it's on the internet. i don't know if you got it or you heard about it. i talked to the captain in the mission district. he was very blunt. he was very sincere. he said, clyde, i didn't know about that. there were two cops who jumped off their bike and beat the heck out of a college student

in san francisco college, african-american male, 21. i don't know all the details. i'm not going to rush to judgment. i don't know what happened before that happened or what happened after that happened. but i think it needs to be reviewed. i'm sure chief sur will. that's why i brought it to his attention, her attention, and i'm sure ms. hicks, you'll get involved as well. i'm not going to pass judgment, but things like that need to be over viewed. thank you. >> thank you, clyde. jeremy? good evening, commissioners, chief. i'm here tonight to speak on a few different issues and actually a couple of them have been brought up by previous speakers. so, i'll be brief. the first issue that i want to speak to was the issue that clyde just brought up, and that was the police beating of kevin

clark, a young man a few weeks ago at 24th and mission. there's video footage of this. no charges have been -- were filed against mr. clark that would warrant any such action on behalf of the police department. i find it abrent and there will be a public speak out. i did not organize it, but i'll be present there. there will be a public speak out tomorrow evening at 5:00 p.m. at 24th and mission where the community will express its views on that. but it definitely needs to be reviewed and it is a far cry from best practices. second off, i want to echo the appeal for a taser forum in the tenderloin. there have been cries out for this for months. chief sur actually at the january 22nd meeting expressed his willingness to engage the tenderloin community as such and i'd like to ask the police department and the police commission, i realize that we're doing busy schedules to try and accommodate this because this is a organic cry

for consultation from that community. there has been no political arrangements or anything of the sort. they are honestly appealing to come and speak with them about something they feel impact in the neighborhood. and i highly support that kind of civic engagement and hope that the commission and the department does as well. finally, i found the activities of the night of the super bowl quite curious. i know that there was a lot of anxiety, especially based on what occurred when the night of the giants' victory as to what conditions would be in the city and what kind of policing would be necessary. yet, that said, what i heard quoted was three times the cost of the regular night of policing here in the city and it appeared to me that there was more chaos created by overpolicing and cops running every which way through the streets that actual crime or

potential crime that would warrant it. so, i'm curious in light of budget discussions that are ongoing right now how that's justified. and i appreciate the fact that i don't know all the constraints that went into that decision, but i'm wondering why there were not separate contingency plans or why it wasn't easier to clear up some of that in light of the 49ers loss and what could be prognosticated as a less volatile evening. thank you. >> thank you, jeremy. any further public comment? good evening, president mazzucco, dr. marshal, commissioners, chief sur, director hicks. marks and halloran, vice president san francisco police officers association. i wanted to address comments made here before this commission last wednesday from the director of san francisco open government. mr. harte made several

disparaging remarks regarding two members of the san francisco police officers association. mr. harte's claim that inspector miranda misrepresented a case to the deputy city attorney and that sergeant goss portrayed himself as arrogant and hostile. i'm here to set the record straight. inspector miranda has served 31 years in this department and is coming up on retirement. he has worked 17 years in the field operation bureau, in investigations he's worked juvenile, special investigations division, missing persons, and currently while facing retirement in the next four months, he has been asked by this administration to go back to special investigations to handle a very sensitive case. he has numerous captain's commendations, letters of appreciation from the public, and he served this department with distinction. as far as sergeant goss, 13-year veteran of this department, also served in the field operation bureau.

currently assigned to the legal division. he has done such a good job in the legal division, this administration has asked him to serve multiple tours of duty in the legal division. why? because he is doing an outstanding job there. he is asked to return to patrol, but they've asked him to stay and he has complied. the poa takes exceptions with these remarks made by mr. harte. we do commend him for making use of this public forum in the public comments. there are avenues to registered complaints with the san francisco police department through the department of occ. and mr. harte is well aware of this, but he chose to make negative comments against these officers without knowing their full history within the department. the poa questions his motives for this and his credibility, seeing that he is a self-appointed director of some watchdog organization that has

one member, himself. so, we challenge him to produce any evidence that inspector miranda did, in fact, misrepresent himself or the department in front of the city attorney's office. i doubt if he could come forward with that. >> thank you. next speaker. hearing none -- come forward, ma'am. good evening, commissioners. good evening, chief. my name is mary kay coner, and i have worked in san francisco with people who have both psychiatric, neurological, and emotional disabilities and other kinds of disabilities. a ma mort of them who are homeless. in 1996 myself and a group of other people including representatives of the police department, the mayor's office, and a broad representation from the community took on the issue of how to interact and engage with people and the growing numbers of people in serious emotional distress who are on the street when police are called.

how do officers respond. the proposal was put together. it was presented at the commission that year in '97, it was adopted. it was declared valid and worthy. however, funding was not in existence. there is a very, very long history in san francisco of trying to get a program that actually mirrors the memphis program that you all have heard presentations on. get it here in san francisco so that we can, in fact, put into place what i think is the basic civil human rights of people with disabilities which is reasonable accommodation. at this point what i'm really here to make you aware of, that program was funded. it was fully funded in 2002 by the board of supervisors. that's when tom ammiano was the president -- excuse me, was the head of the budget and finance committee. it was funded to the tune of $172,000 a year. the program was in manifest and went on until 2010 when it was

closed by then chief gus [speaker not understood]. and i believe his statement was, we see no benefit in a $10,000 luncheon golden gate park once a month. i think the training was probably a little more than that, but i'm not sure. i would like to know what happened to that money and i'd like to know what are the plans for putting together and reconstituting a police crisis intervention project. admittedly i've been out of touch with what's going on on a regular basis. but given that this is where the budget is being presented, there was full funding for this program. the program has been dismantled. we're talking about spending a tremendous amount of money in court less than lethal weapons when we in fact dismantle the program that was providing police with alternatives to using force at all. and it was sanctioned and approved by the department. so, these are open questions. i'm sure i'll get my answers at some point during the meeting or others and i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. any further public comment? hearing none, public comment is

now closed. ma'am, there's actually been a lot going on with this. there is the cit program under the guidance of commissioner chan going full speed ahead. numerous officers have been cit trained. i think our model is a little better than the memphis model at this point. we'll work it out. you may not have seen what's going on. i appreciate your information. one question i have is where is the funding? are you all funding that program? >> i think a lot of people volunteer for free with their training. i still want to know what happened with the money though. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you for your input. please call line item number 2. >> line item 2, reports and announcements, chief's report discussion, review of recent activities, presentation regarding officer-involved shooting investigation process, department's budget presentation for fiscal year 2013-2014. >> thank you. good evening, chief. >> good evening, commissioners. before i go into my -- i want to go back to that i was police

crisis intervention trained in that formal program. under this administration the crisis intervention training is ongoing and robust. we have about 118 officers that are already trained. it's ongoing. we have -- we're hoping to have four classes of 50 additional this year. some of the funding of which you speak was grant funding that did go away. all funding will be through the department's budget and the cit program is one of the staples of this administration. >> [inaudible]. >> if you want to come by my office, i'll get you whatever you need. cool. so, recent activities as far as crime goes, violent crime is down again. property crimes trending up. particularly we're having a problem with auto burglaries. so, we're, again, trying to get out in front, trying to get people to not leave things in public view in their car working with several members of the board to try and get out in

front of stuff and then put together some task force response with regard to tackling the auto burglaries. but violent crime and in particular gun violence continues to be down again this year in san francisco. we did do the super bowl. i appreciate the public's comment. things like the super bowl are planned for in the event that you need the resources you need to have them. it's better to have them and not need them rather than to not have them because you can't get them there. so, unfortunately the game turned out the way it turned out. officers were pretty much all released before 10:00 p.m. had it gone a different way, i'm sure some of us would probably still be out there. so, it was much like the nfc championship game where it would have gone long into the night had we not had a good plan, the plan was real good, so, again, the officers were home by about 10:00 p.m. after the super bowl there were 25