city to make decisions before we ask the committee to make decisions. we expect federal funding to be part of the costs here. just important the fact alone we're going to be going through a federal process we're just trying to come up with the options to go through the review. i'll walk through those quickly. the first option which is here titled market street shared lane. is really trying to take the basic structure of the current market street and improve it.

the - one of the threshold issues you'll say that will delineate that from the next is whether we move the curbs. it has large curbs and significant infrastructure stuff on the sidewalks. it has entrances as well other typical sidewalk structure. so any proposal that requires the - one of the processes of this market street shared lane option is that it keeps the mostly the existing right now u right away it doesn't move the curbs it leaves the 4 vehicle traffic lanes just to

accommodate the traffic. it doesn't reduce the sidewalks and the widths. it provides for improvements that makes it better for cycle folks. we still have some of the challenges we have keeping the same mix like i said this would make some auto restriction from what we have today. the second option that we've narrowed down to is what we're calling a market street bike way. this would create a top level

bicycle facility on market street. the biggest challenge with this approach is that we have a really an overarching challenge is market street is a fixed right away. from building front to building front although it changes a little bit over the street is still a fixed amount of geography. so we're going to try to figure out how not to move buildings back but how do we accommodate all of the diverse trucks and pedestrians and traffic. it's difficult to make it all work. so that first option makes modest improvements.

in this option is makes significant improvements for cycle folks but without compromising this the trade-off would be it would be a great bicycle facility but there's a separate bike lane in both directs. it would still leave the 4 vehicle traffic lanes and still leaving for the space here. the downside is it makes the sidewalks smaller. but we -- there's some areas

where we don't have space in order to do that such as where the cycle folks would have to come back into the traffic. so we have conflicts. so the third opening statements and this really came out of the team and some other discussions we had of some inability to get out of fixed straight of what you. that maybe came as a surprise and look at it market mission as a quarter and not just market street. so once you admission street

into the mix now you have a whole a lot more right away and it expands the project so all of these have pros and cons. the concept here is market street would retain in the first option, however, it would expect the counter traffic that runs on market street and we would use market street to make the top class bicycle facility and in a better way then what we could on market street because we don't have rails we have all perpendicular intersections were we would be able to time the signals like we have on van.

so in your protected bike lane i don't have to stop. it would make it easier to move for automobiles off of market street. and we still have one of our busiest bus lines. did you have a question? >> before you move on to your final phase of the presentation. just some questions about the 3 options. do you have a sheet which has a relative costs that you could provide to us for the 3 options? and if i'm reading it correctly

in comparing the market street options the shared bike assess and the bicycle tracks which requires the curb changes etc. the bicycle track option is approximately a 10 percent more expensive than the shared bike options. am i reading that correctly? >> yeah, that's correct. >> that's actually very encouraging if one were to take the position to take the bicycle path is a good thing. i know with one of the down sides to having that bicycle

track as opposed to the shared lane is the costs of the shared lanes but the cost 10 percent is not a dramatic enable >> yeah, that's correct and there's costs obviously going to mission street there are costs. the main kind of down side is that it eats into the sidewalk. to the ability to use the sidewalks is more limited are there's a cost compact but it also has the strongest point is that market street is a nature place for cycle folks to go. so that's a very strong selling

point. >> but this 10 percent differential between the two we can have a policy debate about what the sidewalk and bicycle assess etc., as opposed to this is going to so dramatically increase the costs it's not feasible. >> absolutely and we're trying to advance the options. >> and the other point is that mission street dual ox action is the most expensive. one other point is you mentioned the mission street option and this hadn't made it into the press yet. the mission street would require moving all parking east of that;

is that correct >> yes. >> so we can move all the parking lot on market street. >> so under the mission street option we wouldlize one side of the parking on mission street. >> yes and so for the publics certain it didn't just cover the question about street assess by also parking. >> you can see the ranges are very large. you can argue with the market and mission is couple of options for a relatively small cost it

covers two streets >> one could there would be a debate if he move all parking on one side of the street and generally parking removal generates debate. yeah, just a point so there are proposals that we have in the traffic project currently for that stretch of admission street it would also contemplate a significant amount of removing parking spaces. >> so we have a flight on the

pros and cons we've covered that. we can go much deeper at any point on that >> we actually have a board meeting coming up at 2 clock. i know that our clerk is going to have to get set up here. i know that commissioner wiener and one of the commissioners is going to be having a meeting on this subject. typically i wanted to have a full meeting and some of my colleagues need to get going. i know you've branch out a lot of staff here to debate this, however, i appreciate your patience thank you. >> thank you. i think we can

come back here. so a lot of these opportunity for debate. just in terms of where we are now. we're aiming to refine those 3 concepts bring them to a final round of public out research and this will take a couple of years. during that time we would continue with pilot projects. we have done a number of them and a number of permanent improvements particularly on the western end of this area. we've done quite a bit of street

recess traths. we would continue pilots and then into design and construction. and i want to say we're all impatient to see this project get done. i think it was our error in communicating expectations that this was never going to be a project done in 2013. i apologize and i take responsibility. we did over the course of the last year have some it's and starts as we ran into walls. this has taken longer than we anticipated. even the 5 year approach we know

that still this will last for generation. so we can spend more time at a later time. and then finally, in terms of budget all we have is planning and design funds that there will be an additional cost. we have most of the funding in place or proposed for the next budget cycle to get us through the next phase on how much more we're going to need. we've identified a couple of

options. i want to clarify this isn't money that doesn't exist. some things that agencies would have in their capital budgets the enhancements is the delta we're going to have to figure out to fund. this is something i think would be an appropriate topic for the mayors staff. it's very common more than normal or not we start a project before accident funding is there. if we started the project only when we had enough money we wouldn't start the projects. i th think this would be a

terrific project for grants. thanks for the time >> thank you for the presentation. i have a lot of these questions but i'll save them. we have to get ready for our next meeting. so we can go onto public comment. if anyone wants to comment please come forward >> i want to say on the face of it when i heard the the plan to push the bicycle traffic down to mission i was more surprised it

seems unnatural. if you look at a map and see what goes on there the city flows like a funnel. it flows down market street the other point is that mission is a great street it is not the grand boulevard of our city neither our citizens are people who come here want to travel around the city on bicycles are not going to want that to be the main mode of traffic. so bicycles and pedestrians should be the last thing that is

moved down the corridor. and i was surprised to learn and hadn't seen all the numbers that that option is the most expensive and the 10 percent is sprooifgz it's not a daunting increase. i also i've been in the bicycle community in town for about 20 years yet and i and i've yet to talk to anyone about the mission street is an important one >> thank you. >> good afternoon i'm with the bicycle coalition.

this has gotten a lot of public there's a reason that it gets this much attention. i'm not going to get into the debate i've focus on the real debate. i know market street has gotten a lot of attention. all of the changes that have been shared there. i look to projects like the central subway being built. i hope this project does get =

evaded. i want to say that we shouldn't hold back on our vision here the fact that we have finding for implements were we need a plan that has support. and iceberg your city agencies and staff to think boldly. i also encourage you to keep looking at the short time improvements >> thank you very much. i have a couple of cards i can call. >> commissioners i'm ron mchale are the chair asked me to design a group. we were appointed for 18 months. that was for market street to be

repaved in n 13. i've worked on others boulevards that took 13 years. it is accurate i'm sorry urban usual about market street that haven't been done in san francisco before. we've known of all the problems pretty much that are coming up on market street but we have not done any planning for it. we now have the theory of a 5 and 25 year plan. you, mr. chair mentioned the date of 200 thirty. i urge you to go forward with the 3 plans as they are now to

do so in more or less 3 months. go ahead with the 3 let us know what we're talking about. however, unless you get money to the planning department to fund long range planning for the city your successors in our chairs are going to have the same problem when 20040 comes up. you have an obligation to this city. we knew marketed street needed to be repaved. thank you >> next speaker please and good afternoon. i want to say and we want to see

dedicated bicycling. we iceberg study of this projects. and we're going to be working with your department >> thank you. any other member of the public like to comment? no other comment? thank you for your presentation. and thank you all for being here as well. i apologize for the time you've spent here. i know we'll have more time and i look forward to commissioner wiener helping out with that progress. we can move on. >> information item and first

of all, i want to thank commissioner chu for her years here on the board of supervisors. you've been a great companion for your district. i want to say thank you for your great service here today >> i thank you, mr. chair. i know you've got a great vision for your neighborhoods. i look forward to seeing our leadership in the coming years. i also want to take a quick opportunity to thank the the issues a staff. i've been excellent in runably

the organization. i know there's going to be changes coming up for our organization. >> thank you. okay public comment on new items? seeing none we'll close public comments. >> this is an opportunity to talk about any item that is not on the agenda. public comment now closed arrest item 15 adjournment. and item