also has the strongest point is that market street is a nature place for cycle folks to go. so that's a very strong selling point. >> but this 10 percent differential between the two we can have a policy debate about what the sidewalk and bicycle assess etc., as opposed to this is going to so dramatically increase the costs it's not feasible. >> absolutely and we're trying to advance the options. >> and the other point is that mission street dual ox action is the most expensive.

one other point is you mentioned the mission street option and this hadn't made it into the press yet. the mission street would require moving all parking east of that; is that correct >> yes. >> so we can move all the parking lot on market street. >> so under the mission street option we wouldlize one side of the parking on mission street. >> yes and so for the publics certain it didn't just cover the question about street assess by also parking. >> you can see the ranges are

very large. you can argue with the market and mission is couple of options for a relatively small cost it covers two streets >> one could there would be a debate if he move all parking on one side of the street and generally parking removal generates debate. yeah, just a point so there are proposals that we have in the traffic project currently for that stretch of admission street it would also contemplate a significant amount of removing

parking spaces. >> so we have a flight on the pros and cons we've covered that. we can go much deeper at any point on that >> we actually have a board meeting coming up at 2 clock. i know that our clerk is going to have to get set up here. i know that commissioner wiener and one of the commissioners is going to be having a meeting on this subject. typically i wanted to have a full meeting and some of my

colleagues need to get going. i know you've branch out a lot of staff here to debate this, however, i appreciate your patience thank you. >> thank you. i think we can come back here. so a lot of these opportunity for debate. just in terms of where we are now. we're aiming to refine those 3 concepts bring them to a final round of public out research and this will take a couple of years. during that time we would continue with pilot projects. we have done a number of them

and a number of permanent improvements particularly on the western end of this area. we've done quite a bit of street recess traths. we would continue pilots and then into design and construction. and i want to say we're all impatient to see this project get done. i think it was our error in communicating expectations that this was never going to be a project done in 2013. i apologize and i take responsibility. we did over the course of the last year have some it's and

starts as we ran into walls. this has taken longer than we anticipated. even the 5 year approach we know that still this will last for generation. so we can spend more time at a later time. and then finally, in terms of budget all we have is planning and design funds that there will be an additional cost. we have most of the funding in

place or proposed for the next budget cycle to get us through the next phase on how much more we're going to need. we've identified a couple of options. i want to clarify this isn't money that doesn't exist. some things that agencies would have in their capital budgets the enhancements is the delta we're going to have to figure out to fund. this is something i think would be an appropriate topic for the mayors staff. it's very common more than normal or not we start a project before accident funding is

there. if we started the project only when we had enough money we wouldn't start the projects. i th think this would be a terrific project for grants. thanks for the time >> thank you for the presentation. i have a lot of these questions but i'll save them. we have to get ready for our next meeting. so we can go onto public comment. if anyone wants to comment please come forward

>> i want to say on the face of it when i heard the the plan to push the bicycle traffic down to mission i was more surprised it seems unnatural. if you look at a map and see what goes on there the city flows like a funnel. it flows down market street the other point is that mission is a great street it is not the grand boulevard of our city neither our citizens are people who come here want to travel around the

city on bicycles are not going to want that to be the main mode of traffic. so bicycles and pedestrians should be the last thing that is moved down the corridor. and i was surprised to learn and hadn't seen all the numbers that that option is the most expensive and the 10 percent is sprooifgz it's not a daunting increase. i also i've been in the bicycle community in town for about 20 years yet and i and i've yet to

talk to anyone about the mission street is an important one >> thank you. >> good afternoon i'm with the bicycle coalition. this has gotten a lot of public there's a reason that it gets this much attention. i'm not going to get into the debate i've focus on the real debate. i know market street has gotten a lot of attention. all of the changes that have been shared there.

i look to projects like the central subway being built. i hope this project does get = evaded. i want to say that we shouldn't hold back on our vision here the fact that we have finding for implements were we need a plan that has support. and iceberg your city agencies and staff to think boldly. i also encourage you to keep looking at the short time improvements >> thank you very much. i have a couple of cards i can call. >> commissioners i'm ron mchale

are the chair asked me to design a group. we were appointed for 18 months. that was for market street to be repaved in n 13. i've worked on others boulevards that took 13 years. it is accurate i'm sorry urban usual about market street that haven't been done in san francisco before. we've known of all the problems pretty much that are coming up on market street but we have not done any planning for it. we now have the theory of a 5 and 25 year plan.

you, mr. chair mentioned the date of 200 thirty. i urge you to go forward with the 3 plans as they are now to do so in more or less 3 months. go ahead with the 3 let us know what we're talking about. however, unless you get money to the planning department to fund long range planning for the city your successors in our chairs are going to have the same problem when 20040 comes up. you have an obligation to this

city. we knew marketed street needed to be repaved. thank you >> next speaker please and good afternoon. i want to say and we want to see dedicated bicycling. we iceberg study of this projects. and we're going to be working with your department >> thank you. any other member of the public like to comment? no other comment? thank you for your presentation. and thank you all for being here as well. i apologize for the time you've spent here. i know we'll have more time and

i look forward to commissioner wiener helping out with that progress. we can move on. >> information item and first of all, i want to thank commissioner chu for her years here on the board of supervisors. you've been a great companion for your district. i want to say thank you for your great service here today >> i thank you, mr. chair. i know you've got a great vision for your neighborhoods. i look forward to seeing our

leadership in the coming years. i also want to take a quick opportunity to thank the the issues a staff. i've been excellent in runably the organization. i know there's going to be changes coming up for our organization. >> thank you. okay public comment on new items? seeing none we'll close public comments. >> this is an opportunity to talk about any item that is not on the agenda. public comment now closed arrest item 15 adjournment. and item>> good morning everyon

and welcome to the san francisco board meeting. we are joined today by community member supervisor norman and joined by one of our colleagues. the clerk of the committee is evans and we want to acknowledge the following members of s f g tv

staff who are covering the meeting. mark bunch. >> do you have any announcements? >> yes, sir. please silence all devices. files should be submitted to the clerk. items may appear on the agenda unless otherwise stated. >> thank you very much. madam clark can you call items no. 1. >> item no. 1, prohibit sales of law enforcement ammunition. no. 2, police code require reporting 500 or more round >> these two items have been introduce by mayorly and supervisor co-hen.

>> thank you very much. thank you. as many of you know i have joined with chief and other leaders to announce this legislation late last year. this has built upon to take on gun violence. ammunition, lethal ammunition. what the law doesn't restrict is it's possession. now we also have existing regulation that require anyone selling ammunition within the city limits maintain records of their sale which are required to be available for inspection at any time. but no city law requires any reporting of these types of sales by vendors that do not have locations inside the city and county of san

francisco but sell to city residents. this is enforcing our existing our regulations. the first proposes to restrict not only the sale but possession of type of ammunition that is in lethal property designed for use by military personnel. anything sold black talent which was designed with sharp prongs to cause significant injury upon impact. any ammunition designated by manufactures to sale to law enforcement or military agencies only, any ammunition that serves no

sporting purpose and any ammunition to disbanned or other objects that are intended to increase the damage of the target. now the ordinances also required by the police department to create and maintain a public data base of brands and product lines of ammunition meeting the definition of this ordinance. the second ordinance would actually expand on the city's existing record requirements by requiring that any person selling 500 or more rounds of ammunition to someone in a single transaction they must report the sale to the police chief within 24 hours. this is required for anyone who sells ammunition in the city or delivers to city addresses.

san francisco violence -- while legislation is not a panacea it is another tool for our efforts to address gun violence. since introducing this legislation, my office has received significant support from members of the community, clergy and other advocacy groups that have been working on this for years. unfortunately they couldn't be with us here today, but here in this hearing we do have a very important advocate. we've got captain oh leery from the police department and from the mayor's office. dr. cambell regrets he's not able to attend

this hearing but is in support of this legislation. he's the head of trauma surgery who ha provided a lot of guidance who helped us craft this legislation and the impact of what these bullets do to human bodies. mr. chair, i would like to turn the meeting back to you. thank you very much. >> thank you very much supervisor cohen. i would like to ask the mayor's office on be half of mayor if they want to add anything. >> yes, thank you. s f g tv if i can get the overhead. i'm not going to repeat anything cohen said. i just want to show a couple visuals. these are hollow point bullets. we are not propose to to ban all

bullets. you can see these barbs here, this is what a normal hollow point looks like. it flattens out. but these barb bullets this is what they look like. they cause significant damage to internal organs. these little barbs make surgical repair impossible on a victim. i just wanted to share those visuals. thank you very much. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you very much mr. elliot and this you for the leadership on this issue. i see

we have captain oh leery from the san francisco police department and proud to say a former police captain. good to see you captain oh leery. >> thank you, good morning. good to see you again. the san francisco police department stands in support of both pieces of legislation as they will enhance public safety. my experience with firearms in san francisco has been over the last decades as a police officer i have seen countless of shooting victims and the injuries cause beyond the physical injury, they go into psychological damage as well. i also can tell you that over the years, over the last 30 years i have seen shootings combo go from one or two shots to

multiple shots fired. any ammunition into these shootings would cause more havoc. i stand in support of the legislation to eliminate the sale of these type of bullets as well as asking those that sell the bullets to report the sale of more than 500. >> thank you, captain. any questions for the captain. >> i don't know if there is anyone else, supervisor if you would like to bring up. let me make a couple more points before we turn it to public comment. i'm very proud of the fact that we have this legislation before this body. i think it's snag something we should be very proud of and an approach to rising problem of having too many guns on the streets. my understanding of the 2nd amendment and how it has been

applied and the regulation of ammunition, is that when it comes to regulating ammunition there is a different test when the ammunition is not commonly used in the public. in this case we are talking about a very narrow type of ammunition that has a military purpose. and the purpose is really to create additional injury and harm to an individual and we are not talking about banning other of ammunition that could be used for self defense. i actually think that this is a very measured approach that really strikes to our balance between the concerns that some people have about the 2nd amendment and the public safety concerns that we have. i also think that providing information is important and the law actually does not even prohibit the sale of 500 rounds. it simply requires that

the police chief be notified. i think that as a matter of public safety that is a very reasonable reasonable request. so, i'm glad that supervisor cohen a mayor have taken a leadership on this. i thank you for your leadership. i think this is on strong legal feeding and glad that san francisco take the lead in this position. thank you. >> i just want to echo your words in saying that i deeply appreciate supervisor's cohen and mayor's leadership issue. i grew up in san francisco, there is different periods in san francisco violence hit different neighborhoods and i lived during that time. i just