what to do about that, and i think that since the bigger area of one block, or a couple of blocks in that case, to have some sort of handle over what is existing there, and then what has been proposed or what is in the pipeline there, and it would be helpful so that when we are looking at the housing variant, we could have something, to compare it against. and but, i think that things are moving at a better direction, i think and i also believe that you know, like i just started to look at his and i looked forward to sitting down with you and talking more about it, i think that there are great ideas here and i do see that there is a lot of, you know, a common agreement, of some you know, conditional use proposed verses what we would instead have in that zoning, i think that i can't comment more than that, but i think that it seems to be based upon the kind

of feedback that you are get and what you have provided that things are moving positively. >> commissioner hillis? >> thank you for the presentation, i think that it was great. in it seems like you have done a ton, working with the community and labors and organizations and clearly not just developers, i mean, clearly the own developer that called me on this was john (inaudible) and we certainly are listening to developers, we are listening to staff and people in the neighborhood. but, a question on the lot consolidation, which i think is an interesting issue and complex, are you or is the way that you are looking at it now is just having a limits on the lot consolidation is whether it is a cu or no lot consolidation in the areas that are circled or also a broader control on lot consolidation. >> at this time we are looking

at those focused docs. when we look at the idea of having a broader consolidation and control, a lot of the major developments, are actually made up of a bunch of different parcels under the same ownership that have funky configurations whether it is parcels that right near the cal train station or just the bank-owned properties. we felt that a really brunt kind of broad lot consolidation would really limit on what we can agree on are the major opportunity sites that are lightly developed. and we went on to focus the controls in the area that kind of have a fabric of more small scale lots and buildings and that is not to say that we end up something that addresses or has broad application and only targets the small lots and we will continue to work on that. >> and there is an existing controls on lot consolidation. >> i don't believe that applied in this area and we have them ultimates where in the city.

>> that was the first planned area where we introduced them and they are based on sort of maximum lot frontages for consolidated lots. and then the lots with the box with the mosconian gardens, did you look at it and is there any effort to fix the streets on those, and so those, i don't know if it is possible, or but it is obviously just kind of a dead block with it. >> trust me we would love to. we are, you know, they are proposing an expansion, which they are looking at in the same time frame. >> right. >> and they would hope to and they would hope to fix the street edges where the next phase of expansion would go at the corner of third and howard. >> and the plans, they would like to do more, but so far those are not moving forward. and so there is nothing, short of the only thing that we can do to force them to do it now, with the idea that we could do it with new growth and development. >> and i think that it would be

good to encourage and try to get them to do something, i mean i know that the expansion is across third. so it does not necessarily what they are doing work. >> the extension is not actually, that was initially a concept that they are looking at. they are actually going under howard and doing both sides of the howard on the west side. they are not moving forward yet with the expansion across third. >> right, okay >> and even on the other on the north side, i think that metrion has done stuff to improve theirs and you are at a center of the arts and i don't know if there is a lot that could be done but it is a great organization but i think that the building still is... >> think that it

is a preponderance of it and it would just be the changing

in zoning. >> in closing, we are looking at the way to accommodate the growth and you are much like the transbay and i think that we are not getting the big cry about side and talking to each and really discussing challenge and with each other in front of some of

us. and i think that the project that we have had, the market, and they have come out of the maturing dialogue where the people who are in the neighborhood and doing the day-to-day working and fighting, on the front line are in dialogue with you. and start to shape at a level of detail what it can carry successfully into the future, that would be my ideal dialogue to listen and to observe and not to intervene but to see you talk about with each other that i can feel the depth of what really needs to happen here and that will shape, then, the guidelines and some of them of the more reasonable alternatives to look in and after the eir process is done, i think that i like to have that additional level of detail mature a little bit more. the next thing that i would like to do and i would like to challenge you, for me, as well as with the proposal, and you actually, the protection of the

(inaudible) of the developing and ultimate to the quint sen shall, to give the recognizable place in this area, i would like you to create some maps where you combine, suggested protection areas of protecting the small lot size with the historic resource and show them together, because, small buildings on their own, don't necessarily have, a historic preservation aspect. they are only strong because of their scale, but when you combine them with the notable other resources i think that you can make not only one minus two, but you can make that one and one is more than three and that is where you start to create a critical mass of recognizable district and a recognizable place on which you can then put and attach your guidelines, including open

space improvements and additional buildings etc.. sml of the approaches that you put forward, i would like to have you add the suitable architecture to that as well. you are showing the examples into the photographs and you need to translate that more and because i am not interested in the glass box relative to materials, and the proper proportion of the open and closed building elements and something which is really, the dna of that area. and most people were (inaudible) fighting for the proper expression and we need to see that in order to see you, carry the guidelines forward and we will get the instruction that we do appreciate all of the stuff that you have done and i think that you are putting a lot on the table and i hope that you

can indeed make this mature to a full rounded dialogue in the next month of two or three. >> thank you. >> let me offer a couple of place thoughts. it is much more digestable than the last time that i saw it. i think some of that comes from the dialogue can todco. these topics are technical and i think that there should be a public engagement to it and that is sort of area 101 and i don't know if that is a thing but trying to give the people the concept of how you might of thought about the uses and the height and i know that is actual usually part of the over all presentation but really digging deep into it and the people can take their own goals for the neighborhood and think about how that would turn into the code or how that would turn into zoning.

and i think that that is an important part of the dialogue in addition to talking about the tdr and lot consolidation and on and on. and also i would like to see the zoning of the maps. and it is reenlifened because of the hotel project that was continued today. i think that there are maybe differing opinions or memories of what the zone was. so i think that there already is this discussion going on about what or how to solidify it. lastly i will say that i am supportive of the affordable housing and supportive of using the publicly owned sites to think about the public goods and i would love to see that in more plans. >> commissioner antonini? >> i know that this, discussion began with an emphasis on the need to meet our projected demand for office space.

however, i think that the case can be made for including some housing along with it. for a lot of reasons. we just looked into that with transbay and we realized that for the transbay to being successful we have the office building and we have housing in there and we talked about the mid market and the many people have said, we are going to have to provide housing and have 24-hour presence for the people to be able to support the other services in the area. between the retail and things like that and there is sort of a critical mass of population that you need admittedly this is not that big. the housed through the jobs but it will make it a more viable area if we can find a happy medium and allow the housing because sometimes the mix used project is much more likely to go forward because you have got

some of the costs of the office and some of the costs of the other things that they have to do could be offset by whatever the housing happens to be. and so that, i think, is important to look at that and decide if it is happening in part of the area and historically san francisco has been a city always even back to victor an days where you provided housing over office retail that were on the ground levels and in the top levels were housing and so, i know, a lot bigger buildings here and different sizes, but, it probably is not a bad thing to look at if it fits into the equation. because we have already got housing there because as the people talk about the family zones there are people living there and you can't have other people living there and it adds to the vitality of the neighborhood. >> commissioner moore? >> i want to express my support

for your comments regarding public sites looking at affordable housing. all of the other sites surrounding... and transbay are mostly sites which have a small portion of the title of affordable housing that we are looking for. while we talk about affordable housing and growth in the area, i would encourage us to also look at institutional uses from anticipating schools, communities facility and healths etc. and because that area, as it is now really turns its use into something where people live and work. we have a great absence of those types of facilities and i think in order to have really the proximity, live, work and we need to have the proximity of the schools, house and open space and i like to ask for the community facilities to be another ingredient which we anticipate and that obviously

speaks about police and fire as well but that is planned as someone else and anticipating schools and parks and housing. where i think that we need to take a specific stand. >> thank you. >> we are going to place it under public comment, i have speaker cards. is there any general public comment? >> public comment is closed and i believe that we are adjourning. >> in honor of the dew iko on his last day of service. >> yes, i started my career with him. >> who knew that he was a bus driver?

>> what if you could make a memorial that is more about information and you are never fixed and it can go wherever it

wants to go? everyone who has donated to it could use it, host it, share it. >> for quite a great deal of team she was hired in 2005, she struggled with finding the correct and appropriate visual expression. >> it was a bench at one point. it was a darkened room at another point. but the theme always was a theme of how do we call people's attention to the issue of speci species extinction. >> many exhibits do make long detailed explanations about species decline and biology of birds and that is very useful for lots of purposes. but i think it is also important to try to pull at the strings inside people. >> missing is not just about specific extinct or endangered species. it is about absence and a more

fundamental level of not knowing what we are losing and we need to link species loss to habitat loss and really focuses much on the habitat. >> of course the overall mission of the academy has to do with two really fundamental and important questions. one of which is the nature of life. how did we get here? the second is the challenge of sustainability. if we are here how are we going to find a way to stay? these questions resonated very strongly with maya. >> on average a species disappears every 20 minutes. this is the only media work that i have done. i might never do another one because i'm not a media artist per se but i have used the medium because it seemed to be the one that could allow me to convey the sounds and images

here. memorials to me are different from artworks. they are artistic, but memorials have a function. >> it is a beautiful scupltural objective made with bronze and lined with red wood from water tanks in clear lake. that is the scupltural form that gives expression to maya's project. if you think about a cone or a bull horn, they are used to get the attention of the crowd, often to communicate an important message. this project has a very important message and it is about our earth and what we are losing and what we are missing and what we don't even know is gone. >> so, what is missing is starting with an idea of loss, but in a funny way the shape of this cone is, whether you want to call it like the r.c.a.

victor dog, it is listen to the earth and what if we could create a portal that could look at the past, the present and the future? >> you can change what is then missing by changing the software, by changing what is projected and missing. so, missing isn't a static installation. it is an installation that is going to grow and change over time. and she has worked to bring all of this information together from laboratory after laboratory including, fortunately, our great fwroup of researche e-- g researchers at the california academy. >> this couldn't have been more site specific to this place and we think just visually in terms of its scupltural form it really holds its own against the architectural largest and grandeur of the building. it is an unusual compelling object. we think it will draw people out on the terrace, they will see the big cone and say what is

that. then as they approach the cone tell hear these very unusual sounds that were obtained from the cornell orinthology lab. >> we have the largest recording of birds, mammals, frogs and insects and a huge library of videos. so this is an absolutely perfect opportunity for us to team up with a world renown, very creative inspirational artist and put the sounds and sights of the animals that we study into a brand-new context, a context that really allows people to appreciate an esthetic way of the idea that we might live in the world without these sounds or sites. >> in the scientific realm it is shifting baselines. we get used to less and less, diminished expectations of what it was. >> when i came along lobsters six feet long and oysters 12

inches within they days all the oyster beds in new york, manhattan, the harbor would clean the water. so, just getting people to wake up to what was just literally there 200 years ago, 150 years ago. you see the object and say what is that. you come out and hear these intriguing sounds, sounds like i have never heard in my life. and then you step closer and you almost have a very intimate experience. >> we could link to different institutions around the globe, maybe one per continent, maybe two or three in this country, then once they are all networked, they begin to communicate with one another and share information. in 2010 the website will launch, but it will be what you would call an informational website and then we are going to try to, by 2011, invite people to add a memory. so in a funny way the member rely grows and there is

something organic about how this memorial begins to have legs so to speak. so we don't know quite where it will go but i promise to keep on it 10 years. my goal is to raise awareness and then either protect forests from being cut down or reforest in ways that promote biodiversity. >> biodiverse city often argued to be important for the world's human populations because all of the medicinal plants and uses that we can put to it and fiber that it gives us and food that it gives us. while these are vital and important and worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars, the part that we also have to be able to communicate is the more spiritual sense of how important it is that we get to live side by side with all of these forms that have three billion years of history behind them and how ic