pipeline and shuttle waste water across the settle and a lot of environmental groups were not thrilled about and are not thrilled that we are going in that direction and so a lot of big engine here nearing to deal with the waste that comes out of the pipe but we are asking you to be cutting edge and you know renew the puc building is cutting edge on all of these thing and we need the sewer system program to go cutting edge and to may be make sure of the pelt project that are going to be done under the sewer system improvement program that weaver working at something that you commissioner torres head me talk about and then you made a request to your staff to report back on urban come post in toilets and there are some new methyls that have come out and one is a section toilet that separates the solids and deals with them right there in the

residential site so they never get into the system. so we need to not only solve what is happening at the end of the pipe we need to start preventing the beginning of the pipe because reminder folks according to tommy's report if you crunch the numbers, we could save 5 billion gallons that is billion with a b billion gallons of water every year if every is using an urban come post toilet and filler and this could mean a huge amount of toxins being mixed up with sledge in our system and so i need you to mayor sure that you have two-three appointments on those times of i want toes. >> there are two other comments, i would like to make and #1, i think that we need to

be sensitive to having healthcare modalities to help monitor so that we are not down the road being held liable for airborne contamination that we could have prevalented or at least had some impact on that it reminds me on the can says clusters in mc particle lan and parts of california and there was a high incidents of childhood cancer and it was contributed to the pesticides and that is not the matter here if you are going to move and digest a certain area you are going to have to scwaive site and in this area you don't know what you are going to find and number two you don't know what is going to emerge and from my perspective you need to be in consultation with the folks at u.k. s f or at general hospital who are dealing with these

infectious disease and impacts and what may be there and that we are looking forward and moving forward to having appropriate oversight and respect to that issue. somethingly, when we are dealing with the ammunition, i think we should put on the website a history of what has happened in the bay view and have mr. costa or somebody lune him to talk about a narrative or something on the website that we are aware of the history that has occurred there and that we are concerned there about what history will be made later because it's a major project and it's going to have a major impact on the community that rate pairs in the city of san francisco will benefit from the sacrifice of some of the members of this community and so we aught to do that because so often which, is why i hate term

limits is because so many you have young legislatures that don't have the history historical frame of reference and don't know how to stop the issues from happening again and these two commissioners here have had a huge impact including to the they have gotten things done and so they taught to be recognized for that just some thoughts. >> i think that is great and one thing that i did want to bring up is that we will be instituting the register task force which includes neighbors and residents and they will be participating with us as we move forward with the project. they were an invaluable help to get us to this point and they came to a year and-a-half ago and testified to the this commission. >> and i believe you are supporting an oral history project in the bay view is that is correct?

that is what i have been told. >> commissioner the answer is yes. give credit where credit is due to. >> any other public comments on this issue? . >> welcome commissioner. >> good afternoon on behalf of the some of the residents in the area and i want to thank you for moving forward on this project and also for future emphasize on jobs and whatever it can that i can to improvement community through the parks and garden department. if things could be expedited because of the urgency, just listening to comment again, if we look at moving this project forward as quickly as we can and again, jobs that will be created if that can be considered also. >> thank you very much for your comments. anybody else on item seven a? all right?

yesk, i'm sorry ... david felt man first two comments the gray, gasoline and clean logo which was developed for this program leading question on future presentations it was not this time but, i think it should be and it reinforces that it's not pipes vs. green infrastructure it's both and we have talked about that. >> all right. before and staff has solicited my input selfweeks ago on this and i was crick contribute and had that was reflected in the weren'ttation and i think that was helpful and i want to thank staff for that the a two major points i wanted to make on this seestrategy there needs to be a clear math through environmental review here whether it involved program e er or project e i r or some

amount of negative declaration that is there is a package of project here and didn'ted on how it's packaged, things could move faster or sloar and i would hope that we don't get to the point where we have project disciple and prim print and ready to go but now it has to sits through another three years while we go through another seek voir process and so i hope we have a strategy and that will be presented to the commission in the next opportunity whether three-six months down the road and the other point is about real estate. plutei as commissioner cane asked about real estate earlier and you are going to talk about that in a future meeting, i think you need a clear path to the real estate issues particularly at southeast with respect to the digester and central shops we have talk about these things before but i do not yet get a sense that, that path exists it's being developed but

that are for me is the other critical path item to the dear dear digester project and so those are really the two thing that i want to highly for the next presentation that i hope you will ask the staff to come back on are seek voir and real estate spell spl and i want to item on energy and environment. i think we really need to use the opportunity here to look at carbon, climate, and energy, fuel gas, and grease all as input and output to the plant and ways to make that whole and meaningful so that we are getting something out of the project that doesn't harm the environment and in fact is closes the loop on some things and finally on rate if rate are going to increase considerably

i think we need to always bear that in mind and either say that we value our rate pairs and create a value for the rate pairs or something like that, that we really bear in mind and reinforce the rate pair value that we continue to deliver. >> well the mayor made the point in the commission that you take the seat of the rate pairses. >> thank you i do. any questions for me. no i want to give you an inside view of why my brother-in-law resigned from the commission on friday due to for family reasons but he would have been a terrific voice in the s e q w a debate and i know that darryl stein berg in the state senate will be carrying the

legislation and i hope many of you are a part that have discussion because it's important to chem where seek way is moving it's been a protective device for many communities and i think it's important to be a part of that discussion and legislation and clearly with the administration in sack men tote to make sure we are in the look and know what impact these reforms and amendments are having in s e q w a and i know we are going to see changes in this legislative session. >> i agree, and congratulations to voir kin, and the time he had on his hands that he is going to be spending with the housing commission. >> years ago my son was elected president of the housing commission, any of the commissioners and any salaries is all for the public good and you two have been doing it for

longer than i have and yes, i'm very proud of joaquin. thank you.. >> good afternoon commissioners i'm the deputy of of grassroots organization in the community and planch 22 we have our 40-year anniversary coming up and i want to share light on the sources to improve your program this past summer y cd was able to work with 15 young people and went to work for ten weeks and what these kids learned and what they were able to do in ten weeks is unsurmountable you cannot measure what they learned and working in architecture and engineering and government communication and is outreach relation, it was just absolutely

phenomenal. we started with 15, we ended with 15 and actually we are lockk log forward to hopefully repeating that in summer where we have 12 of the 15 kid that are willing and wanting to come back and the three that are not coming back, two of them are in college and the other is mainlying in architecture and so i am i want to make sure that i did highlight that and i know it was a great success and we look forward to working with the folks at p um, c and keeping ut in the loop and the community in the loop and i want to say thank you for your time. >> i think the youngest member of the commission has a passion for working with the young people and so you aught to look to him as a mentor because i know that frances had a stellar record in had a regard. excellent i look forward

to it commissioner courtney. >> my comments are short. professional engineers and technical engineerses and architecture chapters i want to takes this opportunity to thank kelly for working closely with -- prop 21 concerning the project and the general manager crudes i'm encouraged by his prefacing remarks and his commitment to keep our health. is you i do feel compared to the eight ball with a lot of activity that has taken place with respect to si p and i hope that the department identify it's own lessons going and is apply them and apply them to ssi p s as they move forward and i

don't think the geology of the department and the you know why exclusive and i think it's to expend conversations that have compromised i should probably go to the you know but by the end of it, it's actually through a collaborative effort with the you know and all of the stakeholders, ssi p and for the benefit of the community but then we have also a workforce that takes whatever type of project it might follow and we have work well together in the paths and i want to stress now that i hope that relationship continues continues and i look forward to working with general kelly and his staff. >> thank you.torres, i want to reserve my comments until the end because there are a custom different unrelated items that i wanted to touch on the fires one

is mr. kubick is the schedule that you have for for the next nine to 12 month and is i'm interested if it's not too burden some to see an exhaustive list of of the neighborhood organization and key advocacy groups keeping in mind if you are an advocacy group in the bay view you interpret that you are key and so imi would hope that we would have an expansive list but i think not to repeat any of the mistakes in the past, i would like to sigh a roster full of folks that are being consistently reached out to and in addition, to that's correct i know that the puc has folks working in a tech logical arena that is substantially above my head and i believe we have the facebook and the twitter and with respect to public meetings whether they be listening successions or having some kind

of of a participation component, i would like to see if it's not too much trouble those going out there because i think everybody can figure out a way to get there whether it's the home or library and i think that would foster a larger participation and then finally, with respect to the last commenter i think key advocacy groups often include labor exporgs they are aware of what of what is going on here and we are looking forward to woking with.torres the other.torres but there is a lot of going on out there and the brother from i e p t e local 21 raised an issue and i think it might be wise to consider that bob must scatter who's the head of that you know also coincidentallies also happen to be the head of the san

francisco public employee commission and they work at being successful at pension reform and they may be interested in adding some real value in i know that the labors for example have a couple of thousand people living in the community on the east side of san francisco alone and so the unions may be willing to step up if thief a seat at the table during the preliminary conversations, they may be willing to step up and assist the puc and reaching out to folks that we may have missed or have fallen through the tracks cracks. >> very good points. i'm glad the meeting is taped. oh, i'm talking fast. >> instructor: gentleman years ago any other comments commissioners, okay item seven b clean power san francisco up date. >> bob harem and today east

stromb. thank you commissioners barbara hale the assistant for commissioner for hour and we have distributed our time line we are on track for our time line we will note there is one addition to the time line and there is an additional board meeting that will be happening we have one scheduled for this friday march 1st and another for march 8 and then it will come to you on march dwellth with a full presentation and included in that presentation will be the results of our poll and our customer poll was completed on sunday day and the results are now being tab belated and once they are tab belated and prepared we will have a presentation that we will be distributing to you and we expect that late this week and it will be sable at the time and we will make it available of course, through the commission and interested stakeholder and is it will be par of the packet

for the rate pharynx fairness board meeting on friday and that is the sense of pole and we will bring those results back to you with our detailed presentation at our march 12's meetings and so that is a heads up to expect that, that will be coming to you.. >> you will also note that we have an additional meeting on march 25th and i understand that you'll you have been working with commissioner secretary to establish a core um, for that and we are excited to present jointly to you then the findings of the pole and the findings of the discussion with the rate fairness board and the commission in that settings and with that i would like to turn the microphone and presentation to the cfo today resi stromb to go overt key assumptions and lp i presentation. >> thank you today re stromb

so we have been giving you by weekly updates going back briefly to deceased december and our pr consult ants were here to brief you on the -- we have update you every two expwrks and most recently we came back to you and present how the buckets for renewable impacted the price and as well as if there was reliable and hetch hetchy power and if there were how it equitied the power and today we have an upindict on the lp i key assumptions we have 12 different scenarios run and since last friday and all of my staff and ms. power's staff met and reviews that four hour training the motion deniedel assumptions and as well as the models how to

run the various model scenario and is so i would like to thank them for that and what i have done is summarized for you an spain of key business assumptions that the managing director and myself have put together and for that, i'll summarize on slide two and there are copies for the public as well many of these things you have heard but what will be helpful is if the commission can provide us with focus the next steps because weapon to make sure that we are putting our resource where they are best helping rate pairs and the key consumption in all 12 scenarios that we have seen have very rapid city wide roll-out and a great deal of residential and commercial participation, a 12% average overall opt out and the opt out has been that low

because of the assume rate parody or near term rate parody with otherwise p and g rates and they include city borrowing which, is a key financial risk that you asked about in the past of a billion dollars and on the other hand, that comes with more money to do local build outs faster but one of the problematic risk that is we talked about previously is that there is still an assumption of 6,000 projects between now and 2017 and so that is a large amount of project do over that short period and now lines of gas and boy gas and none million dollars of purchases there through 2017 and that there would as some hetch hetchy power available and there would be some skiing 20% of the revenue and is there is i didn't million dollars will be new renne knew

line item for behind the meter energy production and the model of it sits right now assumes shared savings and cost and is so in all fairness to the consultant we asked them to put together-holistic revenue model not to do rate structures or rate differentiation and so right now, it's a blended model i'll not go overall of the details in the next two badges but that is the thick of it and you will see that the inches are pretty significant and most of the project in particular in the middle of the page are about 5400 energy efficient projects in the city over the next five years. some available of hetchy and if all of these major mage key assumptions come to pass and if the city is able to borrow the near million dollars

that,that is the key assumptions that it would take in order for a claim to be able to say to meter or b or to have a rate parody with the p g and e and what is helpful about this exercise is it's helped us put flesh to an idea as far as what would have to align what things would have to come together in order for these rate parody and is meter f g and e rates which policy maker and is stakeholders have told us even if it's 2006 that, that would have been the ideal way to setup of the centimeters c a and this is the way to get there and key programmatic risk that is we have talked about and they are summarized here to help provide you deliberation and next steps and input and how to focus our soaforts with that, happy to answer any questions. so how did it go with the

meeting that you were scheduled to have with the advocates. >> we have very good deliberation over the mast week on wednesday alone we have four hours of meetings one and-a-half will with the stakeholder and is very helpful input and i know there has been discussions subsequent to to that, very helpful, i have provided all of these materials as well to the advocate and is many of us share the same goals we would love to seat a lot of the same jobs come out of this and i don't think anybody can argue against that and it comes with the idea that we have to borrow a lot of money and those are the grade trade-off that is we have to comfort and it has been very productive and i would like to thank the stakeholder and is as well as lp i and the leadership. >> what has emerged from those discussions. what has emerged is that we are at a critical junction

tour that the ideas that have been put for the require a lot of money to be borrowed and a very large scale roll out and that would provide a great deal of uncertainty and risk that i as your cfo cannot hedge away. and cannot protect you against. and so, i don't at this time see a viable way to advise you on something of this scale and that is how i see it. i think there is many good ideas we can gasoline from this and try to pull with our own local build-out but with that said, i think that is where we are today. that is a very sobering comment that you would not recommend that we move in this direction. >> i think it's sobering but also very realistic we do a lot of capital investment and large numbers are with our sore system and network that we are doing

over the next ten years, i think this is an example where we need to walk before we run and we have that you have already improved a 20-30 megawatt program that it would be nice then to take the survey result as managessed and do that phase one, see how that comes out, walk along that path and then see how much of an option we have and then later on build a local generation which you have already adopted a program in concept that allows us to do that overtime. but not a billion dollars of it in five years. that is a lot of risk. . >> any other comments? commissioner mar? >> first of all,, you know, going to the ongoing discussions between lp i and the advocate and is staff, i also had an

opportunity to spend some time on the phone with a group of the advocates and lp i folks. trying to chase down some of the questions that i had raised last time and i think that was very helpful. i think the spirit was cooperative and i think we were as today said, we were -- we are are not to at odds to what would be initial we are not yet in full understanding or agreement about how one would get there and it's a feasibility issue as opposed to a desire ability issue. one thing that i did share with them is something that i labored at the time as my personal opinion not the commissioneds because we have not taken a motion on it but i'll share with you and that is that at the current level of understanding, i do not see how it would be possible for us to

responsiblably commit so that business model that they had put out requiring that level of investment and requiring a very complex implementation plan over 6,000 small project on different property with different ownership characteristics is very ambitious and it may be the kind-of thing that we can grow into but if we were may being that decision today it becomes unfortunately an easy decision. and our abilities to take that on and the one billion dollars is a daunting amount of one money and what that comes down to is a million dollars given the current level of that business model it's a million dollars at risk that i would have a very hard time and i would not be willing to saddle this enterprise or the city with it and that is my opinion and i