with the idea that we could do it with new growth and development. >> and i think that it would be good to encourage and try to get them to do something, i mean i know that the expansion is across third. so it does not necessarily what they are doing work. >> the extension is not actually, that was initially a concept that they are looking at. they are actually going under howard and doing both sides of the howard on the west side. they are not moving forward yet with the expansion across third. >> right, okay >> and even on the other on the north side, i think that metrion has done stuff to improve theirs and you are at a center of the arts and i don't know if there is a lot that could be done but it is a great organization but i think that the building still is... >> think that it

is a preponderance of it and

it would just be the changing in zoning. >> in closing, we are looking at the way to accommodate the growth and you are much like the transbay and i think that we are not getting the big cry about side and

talking to each and really discussing challenge and with each other in front of some of us. and i think that the project that we have had, the market, and they have come out of the maturing dialogue where the people who are in the neighborhood and doing the day-to-day working and fighting, on the front line are in dialogue with you. and start to shape at a level of detail what it can carry successfully into the future, that would be my ideal dialogue to listen and to observe and not to intervene but to see you talk about with each other that i can feel the depth of what really needs to happen here and that will shape, then, the guidelines and some of them of the more reasonable alternatives to look in and after the eir process is done, i think that i like to have that additional level of detail mature a little bit more. the next thing that i would like to do and i would like to challenge you, for me, as well

as with the proposal, and you actually, the protection of the (inaudible) of the developing and ultimate to the quint sen shall, to give the recognizable place in this area, i would like you to create some maps where you combine, suggested protection areas of protecting the small lot size with the historic resource and show them together, because, small buildings on their own, don't necessarily have, a historic preservation aspect. they are only strong because of their scale, but when you combine them with the notable other resources i think that you can make not only one minus two, but you can make that one and one is more than three and that is where you start to create a critical mass of recognizable district and a recognizable place on which you

can then put and attach your guidelines, including open space improvements and additional buildings etc.. sml of the approaches that you put forward, i would like to have you add the suitable architecture to that as well. you are showing the examples into the photographs and you need to translate that more and because i am not interested in the glass box relative to materials, and the proper proportion of the open and closed building elements and something which is really, the dna of that area. and most people were (inaudible) fighting for the proper expression and we need to see that in order to see you, carry the guidelines forward and we will get the

instruction that we do appreciate all of the stuff that you have done and i think that you are putting a lot on the table and i hope that you can indeed make this mature to a full rounded dialogue in the next month of two or three. >> thank you. >> let me offer a couple of place thoughts. it is much more digestable than the last time that i saw it. i think some of that comes from the dialogue can todco. these topics are technical and i think that there should be a public engagement to it and that is sort of area 101 and i don't know if that is a thing but trying to give the people the concept of how you might of thought about the uses and the height and i know that is actual usually part of the over all presentation but really digging deep into it and the

people can take their own goals for the neighborhood and think about how that would turn into the code or how that would turn into zoning. and i think that that is an important part of the dialogue in addition to talking about the tdr and lot consolidation and on and on. and also i would like to see the zoning of the maps. and it is reenlifened because of the hotel project that was continued today. i think that there are maybe differing opinions or memories of what the zone was. so i think that there already is this discussion going on about what or how to solidify it. lastly i will say that i am supportive of the affordable housing and supportive of using the publicly owned sites to think about the public goods and i would love to see that in more plans. >> commissioner antonini? >> i know that this, discussion began with an emphasis on the

need to meet our projected demand for office space. however, i think that the case can be made for including some housing along with it. for a lot of reasons. we just looked into that with transbay and we realized that for the transbay to being successful we have the office building and we have housing in there and we talked about the mid market and the many people have said, we are going to have to provide housing and have 24-hour presence for the people to be able to support the other services in the area. between the retail and things like that and there is sort of a critical mass of population that you need admittedly this is not that big. the housed through the jobs but it will make it a more viable area if we can find a happy medium and allow the housing

because sometimes the mix used project is much more likely to go forward because you have got some of the costs of the office and some of the costs of the other things that they have to do could be offset by whatever the housing happens to be. and so that, i think, is important to look at that and decide if it is happening in part of the area and historically san francisco has been a city always even back to victor an days where you provided housing over office retail that were on the ground levels and in the top levels were housing and so, i know, a lot bigger buildings here and different sizes, but, it probably is not a bad thing to look at if it fits into the equation. because we have already got housing there because as the people talk about the family zones there are people living there and you can't have other people living there and it adds to the vitality of the

neighborhood. >> commissioner moore? >> i want to express my support for your comments regarding public sites looking at affordable housing. all of the other sites surrounding... and transbay are mostly sites which have a small portion of the title of affordable housing that we are looking for. while we talk about affordable housing and growth in the area, i would encourage us to also look at institutional uses from anticipating schools, communities facility and healths etc. and because that area, as it is now really turns its use into something where people live and work. we have a great absence of those types of facilities and i think in order to have really the proximity, live, work and we need to have the proximity of the schools, house and open space and i like to ask for the

community facilities to be another ingredient which we anticipate and that obviously speaks about police and fire as well but that is planned as someone else and anticipating schools and parks and housing. where i think that we need to take a specific stand. >> thank you. >> we are going to place it under public comment, i have speaker cards. is there any general public comment? >> public comment is closed and i believe that we are adjourning. >> in honor of the dew iko on his last day of service. >> yes, i started my career with him. >> who knew that he was a bus driver?out to bring that

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>> commissioner mar? >> here. >> commissioner mccarthy? >> here. >> and commissioner walker? >> here. >> and commissioner mccray is excused. we have a quorum. and the next item is item e, the oath. would all persons that may be giving testimony today please stand and raise your right hand? do you swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth to the best of your knowledge? >> yes. >> thank you. you may be seated. next item is item c, approval of minutes, discussion of possible action to adopt the minutes for the meeting held on october 24th, 2012. >> move to approve. >> second. >> all in favor of approving the minutes? >> aye. >> any opposed? seeing none, the minutes -- i'm sorry, public comment. is there any public comment on the minutes?

the minutes of october 24th are approved. item d, new appeals, orders of abatement, case no. 6771, [speaker not understood], agent for the appellant, james grossman, action requested by appellant, the appellant is requesting that the order of abatement be revoked and assessment be waived. >> good morning. [speaker not understood] for the department. in reviewing this case for this board, we discovered that executor of the estate got all the permits and cleared the violations, inspections done, signed off, so taking that into consideration, we would

recommend that you grant the appellant's request and it would be appropriate there would be no assessment of trust. that's our presentation. thank you. >> thank you. >> so, the appellant has asked that you waive the abatement and [speaker not understood] the assessment of vote. you need to vote and have public comment. >> public comment first? >> yeah. >> [speaker not understood]. >> is the appellant present? would you like to speak at all or -- you don't have to. you don't have to. [inaudible].

>> come up to the microphone. >> the recommendation is to reverse the order and negate the fees, is that correct? i'm in total agreement with that. i appreciate it. >> okay. >> well, that's the department's recommendation. i just wonder, what do you feel? you couldn't say anything to us, too. no, i think we're just glad that the action is being considered and the recommendations are positive. appreciate it. >> we need a motion. >> yes, there needs to be a motion. is there any additional public comment on this item? then there needs to be a motion. >> commissioner walker? >> yeah, i move to take the recommendation of staff and

reverse the action and not assess these. >> second. >> okay, there is a first and a second. i'll take a roll call vote. president clinch? >> yes. >> vice president melgar? >> yes. >> commissioner lee? >> yes. >> commissioner mar? >> yes. >> commissioner mccarthy? >> yes. >> and commissioner walker? >> yes. >> motion carries unanimously. case no. 67 77 3, 13 16 to 2022 mariposa street. owner of record and appellant richard e. thomas. action requested by appellant, the appellant is requesting that the order be reversed and that he be reimbursed for the cost of this appeal.

>> is there somebody from the department to present? >> yes, rosemary. >> oh, sorry. >> good morning, members of the board. rosemary goff, housing inspector. the reason it took me a bit getting up here is i understand the appellant on these items has requested a continuance. and i do not believe he is here. >> looks like it. >> yes, he requested a continuance on all three cases. and the secretary of the abatement granted his request for continuance. so, all of you would just have to vote on that. >> okay. is it a motion or just a vote? >> i guess just a vote on this. >> i think the president can grant the continuance if the department concurs and there are no objections by any of the

parties. >> okay. is there any need for public comment? grant the continuance. >> just to clarify, that's for all three matters. >> all three matters, yes. >> do you want to list them just so the record is clear? >> well, before we do that, i'd like a clarification on the other two matters. i understand one of them is a request for jurisdiction. what's the last one? is that the same request for jurisdiction as well? >> the two remaining cases, one is eight cases that were clearly filed way after the 15-day period after orders were issued. >> okay. >> and then the other case is a situation where the property owner is appealing to you to waive the assessment of costs, which is not attached -- >> but no order was -- >> no order -- >> that's what i was confused -- >> there has been time spent on

the case. >> okay. >> and you do have some substantive information in the staff report on that with respect to a building permit that -- >> okay, got it. thanks for the clarification. that's what i was wondering. okay. >> so, for the record, the cases are going to be continued for case no. 677 3, 13 16 to 13 22 mariposa street. case no. 677 2 35 58 san bruno avenue. 355 2 san bruno avenue number 1 and 2 and 135 80 [speaker not understood] and case no. 677 4 to 64 7 brewin owe aka 12 65 gerard street. >> this will be next month? >> yes, at the march -- on march 20.

item f, general public comment, is there any general public comment for the abatement appeals board for items not listed on the agenda? seeing none, item g, adjournment. is there a motion to adjourn? >> move to adjourn. >> second. >> okay. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> any opposed? >> no. >> okay, we're adjourned as the abate baitment appeals board and it's 9:13 a.m. thank you. [adjourned]

>> good morning, today is wednesday, february, 20th, 2013, this is a regular meeting of the building inspection commission. i would like to remind everyone for turn off all electronic devices. the first item on the agenda is roll call. >> president mccarthy? >> here. >> vice president mar? >> here fl >> commissioner clinch? >> here. >> commissioner lee. >> here. >> commissioner melgar. >> here. >> commissioner walker? >> here. >> and commissioner mccray is excused and we have a quorum and the next item is president's announcement. good morning, everybody and thank you all for being here on this morning and i have president's announcements.

thanks for the staff who are staffing this year's chinese festival will be held on february 23rd and 24th, including joe chan and danny low and maria lee, from the plan review services. and tony who is supervising the fifth floor and then quan from building inspection. special thanks for commissioner mar who will be volunteering at the volunteer, it is not a kissing booth.

>> congratulations to the story was actually about the planning hiring and staff to catch up on the growing project's backlog but the examiner knows that this handsome inspector when they see him, the image from the story published two years ago and got the front page cover and well done, even though you work for dbi thanks for calvan e and vanbon. >> for the enforcement efforts on 308 turk street this is getting a lot of headline, it

is a multiunit where the owner has a long neglected building, and supervisor kim issued a press release applauding the effort to bring this building into code compliance and urging the city attorney to litigate this especially egregious case, and thanks to everyone involved in that and to the supervisor. special thanks to tom hewy for providing the mayor with an update on the actions to extend the permits and to give the customers more time to complete projects that have been stalled by the economic recession. the acting director updated the mayor at the end of january at his request on these matters and including the board of supervisors and the approval of the dbi new permit extension on february fifth that madam secretary, and also, actually there is one other thing, so actually i might as well update you, we are doing well with the search firm and i will have

update you and we hope that it will be going along with the director and along with ted and that it is going well and going in the right direction and so we have put together the kind of qualities of kind of a director that we are looking for and we are going to enfold them into the search firm for them to go out and look. so, if there are any questions or anything that anybody has on that, and they can contact me on that as well. that is all my announcements. on to the next item. >> is there any public on the announcements? >> seeing, none, item three, general public comment, the bic will take public comment on the matters within the commission's jurisdiction that are not part of this agenda.

>> good morning, my name is robert davis and i live in the bay view and i would like to begin by thanking the staff, inspector, sorry, acting director tom, hewy, and the rest of the staff for the demolition order and the knocking down of the orderses on third and long time coming, and it looks great and i know that it was long and hard, but, we really appreciate that. and we would like to get an update on the open notices of violation and the open director's hearings and there are 6,000 novs and it looks like someone went through and closed off the ones before the year of 2000. and i have no idea how that happened. i would like to make a comment on the open director's hearing and attending the director's hearing and a group of 15 people clouding myself went down to speak at a director's hearing about 900, and we were told at the last minute that the building owner had just

decided to postpone it and we were not notified and there is no notification process for people who want to show up be heard and we would like to get a little bit of information about that building and there is a long, sort of complicated of the notices of violation and the neglect of the building. it is a historic building, it is on the shore line and i would like somebody to look into that please. and then i would like to get a little support from the building commission about a special economic zone and part that have zone and what i need your support on, is rating the dbi fees, not the permits but just the permit fees for an area of third street between evanand williams. and i did try to get an idea of what that would cost the dbi in lost revenue, and i was unable to but we are working on that and i would like to get a little support. thank you.