shooting of the pd. can you go through that more. >> the guns were purchased in georgia and were brought illegally into california and the guns were sold to people prohibited from owning guns and they're called straw purchases. so they legally buy the weapons and sell the guns to people prohibited from possessing a firearm. and i failed to report the atf was highly involved in that investigation also. it wasn't just san francisco police department, but that is one of the major concerns that we have is the flow of guns from another states coming into california. >> that's what chief is testifying? >> yes. >> okay. thank you. >> mr. kingsly. >> thank you for your report

and for being here. regarding the collaboration of various safety participants in this hub on sixth and market -- is this the first time, is this the first collaborative safety hub we've created in san francisco? or are there others... >> this is not a new concept to the police department. we're always looking in collaboration with our other public safety partners, not only with local but federal too. but this is one of the first we 've opened up on the sixth street corridor, which is a very challenging area. so we want to bring all the assistance that people may need on sixth street to prevent them from committing crimes. >> it's a terrific idea. i just wasn't aware that this was something that we had actively in place in the city elsewhere.

thank you. >> on the straw purchases, can you tell us -- to me it's a little confusing. how do they break the chain of ownership so that -- if you purchase a gun and assuming it's immediately traceable back to the person who purchased it? is it reported stolen or are the serial numbers removed. >> all of those. legitimately guns can be sold that are legal in california. you can purchase a /weup. it then requires -- but once you purchase a weapon, you have it in hand, what happens to it after that -- a number of things can happen. it can be taken in a burglary from you, you can sell it to a friend, you can give it away. and then

the tracing of that gun become more difficult. we know who the gun was sold to out there. we also have a number of tracing through our crime lab on rounds or bullets that were shot, but as far as the guns themselves, once they are sold and -- legally, what happens to that gun after that is a whole /phr*et bunch of things that can happen. >> on the police commission we have been hearing a lot about the increase in robberies as you heard from chief. it seems that most of the robberies are for cell phones and iphones. in fact, every morning monroe sends us the daily recap so it

lists all the major crimes -- stabbing, shooting -- but it includes robberies and we get this and we read through it and we look through it, and through march 10 through this morning there have been 19 robberies for cell phone. they are not all just robberies, but some of these people have had guns put in their face. a lot of these the person has been thrown to the ground and punched in the face and have had injuries. and this is just since march 9. some of these people have been wrestled to the ground, their pockets have been searched, they've been smacked in the head by multiple people. these are people being robbed for a cell phone. we had a meeting two weeks ago and captain was

addressing that issue and he addressed tips to avoid street robberies. and we heard from the public. there's a lot of concern regarding the raising cell phone robbery issue. it's having an adverse impact on their lives. i thought, what can we do besides the tips that we'll hear tonight about eliminating these robberies. what can we do to turn these iphones into a brick with no resale value and we wan reach out to the manufacturer and ask them to turn the phone off once they're stolen. can't they shut it down so there's

absolutely no resale value. we're not getting an answer to that question. it's putting our public and officers at risk. we really don't have the time to track stolen cell phones. if there's 1900 cell phones stolen a year in san francisco, that's a lot of police time. so seems to me there's a simple solution. i know da is on top of this solution himself, but i can't see that there's i think a pretty simple answer to this. so if the police department could provide their /subgss -- suggestions and ideas. and i have to tell you that they know there's a problem. the best security in the city is at an

apple store. they know there's a problem and they're putting the public at risk. captain.

obviously having technical difficulties. i'm captain joe and i'm the captain of major

crimes unit which covers narcotics, homicide gang task force so i'm very well aware of the robberies and cell phone robberies that happen on a daily basis. i con /kupcur with your findings on what we see on these reports everyday. in fact today there was five reports and they were all object iphones and they were all about these thefts of them. i do have some statistics that i will show you about these iphone robberies and get into the bricking that you brought up as the main thing. always have a back up. these are jus some of the statistics and from february 154 cell phones,

january 187, 2-23 around november which is right around the christmas holidays. in october 176 and september 162. there's been a slight decrease in 'em because we've caught a few of these series of these robberies, one just over the weekend involving shotgun robberies of iphones and these guys were responsible for numerous robberies of iphones. what we found out from the people we've captured in these cases is that the iphone has become the hatest trend because they're upwards to 500 dollars. and so even talking to one of our suspects he admitted that it's easier to go steal an iphone, sell it within 20 minutes and get $200 than it is

selling drugs or crack on the street because of the propensity of these they can sell over and make money very quickly on the resale of these. we have tracked 'em to certain areas south of market where they are sold madly. we do respond directly down upon as soon as these are reported, we know they're being sold within the next hour. we do have response of our officers down to these surgeon areas. what happens and what we're doing with project safe is to educate the public which i think is our primary goal right now -- that and arrested some of these thieves. these statistics are not necessarily singular events. a lot of these involve backpacks where iphones, ipods, i pads are all part of a robbery. they go steal a

backpack off somebody -- i'm gonna show you an example of what happens in those types of cases. most of them are the community being somewhat aware of this iphone. so if i were to hold up $500 and just carry it like this or carry it down the street i don't think anybody would say that's a bright idea buzz that's exactly what you're doing as a victim. you're holding these things out and they're worth anywhere from $200 to $500. include that all your personal photos, your address book and they're out there and people aren't quite aware of it. we've been trying to advertise in the newspapers about the safety of these iphones in particular and we commonly see the victims have 'em out or they're texting. we have an incident where somebody was walking down the street texting and somebody came up

and took their iphone. so that's one of the problems we see mainly. so we 're doing this by press releases, crime alerts, public service announcements, it's on our websites. each morning i personally conduct the conference call at 11 o'clock and we go over the big 19 an we go over additional robberies in each district. we look for patterns that these suspects are using -- vehicle description, suspect description, video evidence, different things we can see to develop a series. once it become a series it goes to our cid district. that's what happened over the weekend is we were able to identify three of the four people involved in upwards to nine of these. and

they were very violent -- shotguns in particular stuck in victim's faces and robbed of their iphones and laptops and every other electronic device they had. we have an anonymous tipline. we are working with project safe and we are gonna have arena come up and speak with that in just a little while. we do see this as a crime trend and so some of the things we've -- we have somebody assigned to this bricking issue you've been talking about president. one of my lieutenants is jen jackson who works directly for me and she's working particularly on this brickingish show and this is what i found out from her so far. so they do have the phone tracking on some of these devices. you personally as an

owner of one of these iphones has to ask for it. it's by the carrier, it's not by apple. it's been the ones you see -- at&t, sprint and t-mobile. they all have these capabilities. they have 'em available. in the uk and australia they've had 'em for ten years. they have these find my phone apps where they can find their phone. but once they're turned out of you're unable to find 'em anymore. the criminals know that. they turn 'em off immediately. they go to the areas we know they're sold at and that's what we try to do. what happens after they sell it, first person may grab the phone, steel it from you, go sell it for about $200, then

gets to the next buyer up so then it gets sold for $300, $400. these phones are sometimes being sold internationally sold. they can be sent out of the country, rebooted, similar card put in and they're sold internationally. we're still working on tracking these criminals who are doing this. it is lengthy and you did bring up the tracking -- the time consuming it would take for police to track 1900 phones that you talked about -- it's an all day affair to sit there and track one phone because you have to constantly be up on it and basically on a computer screen you can see where the phone is pinging or where there might be activity where the phone might be at the time. so it's a very time consuming effort that it would take. it would take somebody all day and you'd probably have to have

somebody on /sheuftd all the time to track one phone prior to an arrest. they turn 'em off and it's no good after that anyway. so they are carried by the carriers, not by the manufacturers. i know we were in commune -- communication to see what they can do about this in the future. they said they have a plan that will be international for the bricking. one of the solutions that they had that verizon brought up was marrying your similar card to the phone. so if you take the similar card out of the phone, neither will work without a different device so you can't take a similar card, transfer it to another phone. it won't work. that similar card will only work with that phone and vice versa. that's one thing

they're working on with the carriers right now. of course they have to pay for 'em on most of these apps or different things they have to ask for. so that's what i found out in my research to so far. if we want further updates, lieutenant jen jackson would be happy to educate us further. i'm somewhat dating myself with gold jewelry, air jordans, sony walkmans and car stereos in the 80s. i know i'm going back a bit. so we wanna focus specifically /tkhrao*es to get this rolling on public awareness and the safety and not fighting back necessarily. a lot of these people are fighting back and getting hurt, either hit with a weapon,

assaulted, kicked, to save their iphone. i understand, because it's very expensive. i wanna point out exactly what happens here and here's two examples i picked directly from a crime alert that i get everyday. we do have our task force that works on this and this is from our task force and i wanna show you what we're talking about here -- how they happen. and hopefully we can get this out with cooperation with the media and get this out to the public to let them know about the safety concerns that they have.

>> [inaudible] as soon as that back door opens this suspect and this suspect [inaudible] in this one -- this next one you can see this is another typical robbery that we see where the assailant comes up right behind the two people -- that's the back door there and the assailant walks right up where this lady is holding the iphone

directly up to here, almost directly up toward her chest area, something like this. so she's standing somewhere in this area and the suspect sees it, walks directly up, snatches it and out the back door he goes as soon as he comes to a stop and off they go on the run. these two, because of what we see in these trends -- what i'm saying is to be smart with your smart phone. put it in your pocket, keep it concealed, don't have the headphones on while you're unaware of what's going on around you. it's something we see on a daily basis. what we see is people not paying attention on the street and they should be able to. however, a lot of times when their head is down and they're looking at their phone texting and walking /straeugtd ing -- straight into a robbery so a big part of it is education to the public is to let them know

what they're worth and what can happen. the bricking is something we are working with but it is available and currently available. the manufacturers of apple are working toward something they will make it inoperable. any questions? >> mr. kingsly. >> thank you for your presentation. i think it was just terrific for us and the community. would you articulate the tip line and the text to tip so that people are watching beyond this room could... >> you can go on the website

and go to our sfpd website. you can text a tip anonymously and all information is there on our sfpd website. you can give tips on illegal activity, somebody you believe might have committed a crime. they are looked at on a daily basis. you can make reports, do whatever you want on this. the totals i showed you for the numbers are from our crime data warehouse. there are some incidents that might have two or three items taken at once, whether by a backpack or from a car. we see a lot of increases in our auto burglaries because of these items -- left out on the seat, left in full view.

>> with reference to the bricking once a phone's been bricked can somebody go to a carrier and put it back in service. >> that's something they can apparently do. that's what's happening at the next level, not necessarily the street level, but when it's sold up to the next level that's exactly what they do. they have some techie that can unbrick it and resell it. >> so the bricking is kind of useless anyway. >> right. and that's something that we were trying to absolve with them. some sort of furtherance of it. they say they are working on the technology where they can make

these things inoperable. once it gets out there if we can get it through the public's knowledge to get this, they're gonna understand that once they sell it to the next level they may not want it and then you're gonna create some animosity between the robber and the buyer. they say that according -- they may have this up by christmas internationally so it would be around the world for everyone. they say they already have it through the carriers. through verizon it's already available. they're just gonna tell you about the find a phone app which is something that will just ping it immediately. not necessarily going to disable the phone, which is what we're after to make it useless. >> the carriers can't make it useless.

>> it's gonna take some work by the manufacturer to make it completely useless and not be able to resold and remanufactured. >> any questions about this? i see chief was gonna chime in there. >> i just want to tell since we have an opportunity here on the tip line -- 575-4744. so the public can report any crime to us anonymously. >> i'm glad to hear the manufacturers are working on it. sounds like what the service providers are just kind of a temporary fix, not what we need, that is making the device worthless down the road. >> thank you for your presentation by the way and i appreciate that you came prepared in terms of having had

a conversation with the iphone -- with apple and who else did you talk with? >> we had a representative from my unit who's our expert in the area who would be able to inform you better about the communications between apple and the different carriers -- android and these different ones. >> so jen jackson made some phone calls to some carriers. >> correct. >> those phone calls are important 'cause it lets the carriers know that you have the san francisco police department concerned about this. so i think that's -- those calls within themselves are helpful. do you know in terms of timeline [inaudible] of the international you can solve that issue 'cause i myself when i travel /aeu broad i've actually seen that. i've seen it in stores where they do that. people can just go and hire someone to do that and unbrick a phone, which is

really unfortunate so it seems that technology's important. >> i believe it's gonna be passed christmas for that. i know they're working on this bricking technology that's a standard. we wanna do is see it standardized in all these smart phones. i would say hopefully by christmas that would be available for everybody. the other part is gonna be the cost. i'm sure they're going to add some cost to it to add it as another application that you might have to buy, but after that, i think that blacklisting as i said -- the similar card and the phone marriage -- that, i believe, exists already and some companies however i don't know how widespread it is here in the united states. >> do you think it could be by christmas or... >> christmas would be where they would have the bricking

available from the manufacturer. >> any other questions. >> i would like to bring up [inaudible] from sf safe in regards to this thing. >> thank you very much. >> my name is arena [inaudible] and i'm a program director at san francisco safe and as a crime prevention educational non profit we do recognize a trend. every year we give about 250 safety presentations and lately our focus has been street safety and theft of electronic devices. lately we also made an extra effort in reaching out to those who are particularly targeted which is employees of tech companies, students, especially those