merchandise mark until it was leaking because of those conditions, then the city moved it to the hall. but the cost associated with anything having to do with moving the library out or temporary out was a part of the bond project that related to the improvement of city hall. >> my last question is that i know that the 2004 resolution talks about the 525 golden gate building, that public and private resources would be raised for that project i am wondering if the board of trustees would raise the funds in being helpful in the move or wherever the move was and what the finances of the board of trustees is. >> could i speak to that for a second and i will let our president talk. >> it is impossible to have a capitol campaign if you can't identify a location for which the library would go and what the cost would be. way back in the early 2000s

when there was activity under mayor brown's mayorship. the hope and the expectation was that there would be an effort to obtain support from the community, as well as from the city, but the whole project disappeared before, that was ever possible. and so we are in this position that you can't go out and try to campaign for money if you don't have a location and a cost estimate and etc.. and the second point that i would make about that is this city is renowned across the country for the services that it provides to disadvantaged people and the major law firms and the small law firms in san francisco have historically contributed, hundreds of thousands of dollars annually for the bar association of san

francisco. i have been notified that the recent change in the legal community so that a lot of local firms are now associated with out of state firms has made an impact as well as the economy on the amount of dollars available for the charitable contributions and they may necessarily have the same perspective as historically san francisco firms have had regarding making those kinds of contributions >> let me say a word about the 525 golden gate. that became a effort in which we spent a lot of time with the mayor and the people on his staff trying to work together and you are familiar with the societies where the pvc building is now, and at that time, there was an empty condemned building there and

they thought about that being a major city office building, which would house the library and on the ground floor there was going to be a justice center where the people could walk in with legal questions and they would be volunteers who would answer those questions and brand new idea and never had been followed anywhere. the city attorney was going to move into the building and there was going to be a bridge across the alley to the courthouse, and it was a wonderful idea and then the city dropped the ball and never went anywhere. >> could i add a follow up, just to supervisor mar's previous question, sir, what has the law library does in terms of the own fund-raising, you talk about conditions, because this one perspective says that you are coming to staoet and i know that we are mandating and there is a debate about square footage and what is adequate. what have you guys done?

>> the law library is operating expenses, books, salaries, insurance, computers, everything is not paid for by the city, it is paid for out of a small portion of filing fees, so if someone files a civil case in the supreme court in san francisco, the law library gets 42 dollars of the total filing fee, our revenues last year was 1.3 million and our publishers expense for the primary resources such as west law and publications was $400,000. so the law library sadly is not in a position and never has been that it has hundreds of thousands of dollars to be able to solve its own problems. and so we are operating on a declining budget because the less cases that are involved in court because the court rooms are closed the less filing fees. and so, we are not in a position to be able to contribute a massive amount of funds ourselves and what we

would hope is that with the securing of an appropriate place that we can reach out to the community for help. >> so, okay. >> historical situation. going back and not to 1870 because this was the very first law library in the state and the legislature and structured this library so that all of its housing and facilities were, as a responsibility of the city and county, not by the separate corporation in that way since 1870. >> i understand that and we have had and we fund many, many non-profits as a city that over the last few years and i know that yours dates back much longer with a move out of city hall but that have fund raised on their own as 501 c3s and taken upon themselves to take an ore on the boat and say that we are going to participate in this. that was my question, what have you been doing actively that you guys are here and talking

about public dollars here and what have you guys been doing as an organization on your own to supplement that. >> you understand that we are in temporary housing which is not really very functional and so far, we are not in a position to get going and start anything until we get permanent housing. >> so the answer is that you guys have not done anything, is the answer? i am trying to get at what you have..., i understand the convictions and i understand where you are. >> we have a little bit of money but it is not substantial. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please? >> my name is charlie spegal and i am an attorney mediator and i do not want to cut off that conversation which is the most important one that you could have. i would say, if you want to know what they had done about organizizing, you have now sat through two hours of their ability to motivate people in the community. in order not to repeat anything

that has been said, i am going to go for a little bit a stretch outside of this room but i think that it is important i am a former national board co-chair of the legal defense and education fund to say what is happening today is that two san francisco couples of the united states supreme court being represented in part by our city attorney and the san francisco national center for lesbian rights. and they are making the case for marriage equality. and i think that this is not the day that you want to look at that line of people and say, none of those people have arguments that deserve the merit of being able to research and be the possible next case that this city can take the leadership on. i think that you want to go a different direction, i think that it is what we deserve. i think that also the second thing that i would say and i only have three, you in this room are uniquely positioned to address the stunning crisis in

access to legal services in the nation and in the state, and in the cut backs that we see at the courthouse, by doing this relatively small gesture, which is to increase the law library and then the last thing that i want to say about your budgetary responsibilities, this is a law library that has shrunk from three branches to one branch over the last five years and so i think that this law library has contributed to the fiscal health of san francisco and i think that the amount of money and the increased fiscal strength of san francisco would suggest that there is a little bit of money to do this for what is a world class city, thank you very much. >> my name is gregory alamene and i have been here for three years. and i have to speak to you about something a little bit more fragile than the concrete business that is before you.

as a propara, i went to court and i was asked a question and i answered it. and the next party were coming up. i don't know what happened. somebody at the courthouse said go to the law library and i went to the law library and there was a sign that says that this is the government of laws not men. and i don't know if you know, that the internet has a sign like that up there or ones for (inaudible) and liars, but i have started off and i fell into the practice manuals and i got just start doing things, file the motions and say, hey, you know what? i am going to get to the bottom of this and before you know it, i told myself, next to the opposing counsel who was pregnant and was about to have her child, i mean, she had a red face and i am saying, you

know, what am i doing? i am wasting people's time, i am pulling a mother to be up into court, the book started. and so i went back to the law library and the people there took me by the hand and said, hey you know, this is what you are trying to do and so i went and i started to read, and further reading the cases i said wait a second, you know? this is all about ups and downs. i am trying to emancipate myself from the normal ups and downs of life and i got a grip of myself. if it was not for the people at the law library i could not have done it. i would like to make one last remark, i looked in the paper and saw that your paper said speaking about the lights going out and the 49ers game... >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. thank you. >> next speaker please. >> good afternoon, supervisors my name is julio ramos and i am

a solo practitioner here in san francisco and i just come up here to talk about what i see there at the library. and without the library, i can truthfully say that solo practitioners, the big law firms in the city and in the state of california would be at a severe disadvantage but not only that i see also is the fact that there are a lot of pro person that are in the library and utilize it a lot and especially in the type of law that i do, civil rights and housing law, and the fact that the library is there, and accessible to propers the people who don't have the attorney is vitally important especially given the fact that there is a housing crisis going on in the state of california. and in this area, in general. and without the law library, here in san francisco and its accessibility and reference for persons that don't have attorneys, i think that to under mine that in any way is a

detriment to san francisco. going to the courts and asking for help is not a possibility. to have the third parties such as the law library access to people who don't have access to legal services i think is vitally important and i encourage the board to take that into consideration in formulating your future policies. >> thank you. >> my name is (inaudible) and i am a volunteer with the coalition of concerned legal professionals. i have been working and i have been with the (inaudible) monthly legal orientation sessions. and i have witnessed the need for of the economically disadvantaged people of legal orientation and foreclosure and

issues with social security ssi, and etc.. so i am aware that they staoet has the resources and i am a believer that we have here billionaires living in the city and this is a matter of justice. the working population of san francisco cannot afford of

>> i'd like to welcome everyone back to the budget and finance

committee subcommittee meeting for wednesday mark 27. i want to let people know that our 1 o'clock meeting is not going to be starting until 2 o'clock. we're still on our morning agenda. we came out of a meeting with our city attorney so if we can move not to discuss that publically. so you now we're going to - mr. city attorney that you just want to make a public committee that the committee took no action in the closed section. we're going to continue with item number 4.

first mr. john our director of the department of real estate give our permission and so the item before you is a resolution arthur the lease at 12 hundred van ness. in your packet is the terms and conditions of the lease and is lease is in negotiation. the terms are a condition of 5 years it is for a price not to exceed $36 per square foot. and i'd like to show you briefly a interim site plan this is

still a work in progress but this gives us a sense of fundamentally what is it being paroled within the usualable space on the first floor. it shows the rows of stacks of books for the law library here. and here. that will accommodate approximately 70 thousand volumes of the books dirge assessable to the public. our rough calculations suggest about 51 thousand volumes are currently available to the public and then at the memorial additional volumes of approximately 20 thousand some

volumes are assessable but not immediately assessable this. this appraise for a training place as well more classroom space. approximately 40 seats available within this plan it appraise space important the staffing needs as well the conference rooms within both the staff area and to the public to there are private areas to have depositions and other things. restrooms, of course, and lastly reverse book rooms so some volumes we would want to have more access to are here.

what is a 16 thousand square troubleshoot premises. we want a right of first offer up to 5 thousand 5 hundred lower space currently not available but expected to be available in mid-2014 so the city has a first opportunity to lewis lease the space under certain spacing. so the library can begin to move some of the materials into a more proximate location and that is to be returned to the board in 2014 whether to pursue that

space or not we just wanted to have that right when it became available >> could you explain to the chair what you mean by compact shelving? >> the current site plan i showed you it's something that allows you to put many more volumes in the same linear feet in a fashion that requires a little more staff attention because the public might have some difficult time using it. so it's becoming more and more common. the downside it has a greater

impact to have a great amount of building strongholds. the city would be participating up to $800,000 toward what we believe is a million dollars total capita improvements for the landlord to provide and in addition, the city as within a 1 moilgdz toward capital for example for example and e includes the city responsibility. happy to entertain any questions? >> calling for any questions at this time? >> thank you thank you very much. at this time we would like to

ask for the budget analyst report >> mr. chairman, supervisor wiener we reported that the capital improvements the board of supervisors has a previously appropriated dollars for those funds. however, those funds are on reserve. on page 16 of our report we say that it is shown in table had the total estimated cost for the 5 year lease is $5 million plus that includes the one million dollars of costs which i just referenced. the law library costs are up in

the proposed resolution are $559,000 that's 2 hundred percent more than the 2013 library to a 1 hundred and 9 thousand. on page 17 we note it the - there's a increase of space if 20 thousand square feet to be laelsz that would be an increase of 56 percent to the law lieshdz existing space of 2 thousand 8 hundred 60 square foot. all the recommendations that we have supervisors with one expectation are to assure that

the board of supervisors knows exactly what the lease is being proved because you know there is no lease before you it's still about negotiated arrest i would like the board of supervisors approval between the llc secondly, we ask i recommended for any lately modification that allows the first refusal. we ask that you deletes the 4, 5 year option to correct the resolution. we recommended that you amended page 4 line 2 to delete the word consideration and add approval in order to assure that any

additional space so this lease does not been successful negotiated any other lately can be negotiated without coming back at that time, board of supervisors even though it's similar terms they're trying to negotiate right now. so that fourth negotiation is to make any other lease and because of the fact that you'd be making a finding to determine the 14 thousand is square foot it acceptable. thank you very much. calling for any questions? >> thank you very much. mr. updike. >> just to comment what we

recall certainly comfortable are 3 of the 4 recommendations is first one recommended to state that the director of property will insert into the board file a conforms executed copy of the lease once signed by all parties. >> okay and mr. chairman just to correct one thing the city attorney has just noted on our recommendation number 4 it should say page 4 line 3 instead of line 4 for the record. >> calls for any questions? >> comments right now? i'd like to ask the staff of the law library i have a few additional comments if you don't

mind. >> yes mr. chairman. >> just a few questions from our earlier discussion. the other buildings that were mentioned that the law library has they were closed can you talk about that >> let's see. nothing was really closed down other than city hall. that's where we've been. when with closed mayor brown told us we were going to move into the basement of city hallway hall but he changed his mind. we've been there ever since. we've had a number of potential

facilities that have been identified one is gotten >> sir, i don't want to interrupt you talked about those other halls that were closed down? >> we're talking about the branch. >> let me answer that question. this the the first time that the law library and the court went south to cross the street. and we don't belong to the court but we were a support to the courts and so when that courthouse was constructed we were involved in the design of a small room that we called the attorneys reference room that was there null december of