zealous or natural gas very long or other choices as authorized depending upon the factors as accessibility or fuel efficiency. >> so doctor you move that one? >> okay. we don't vote? you would vote on the amendment at this point and the other >> okay director. >> thank you very much. i too found it very helpful report and discussion on today a lot more agreement and i attribute that to the discussion. i think it's essentially agreed

we're not meetings the demands of taxis in this city. that's why some speakers say some of those folks have come in. i think it's important to thank the folks from the business community on behalf of the thousands and tens of thousands of residents who encounter this problem. and the people we're charged with serving as so long as i've been interested in this issue we can't get a cab when we need one. the last meeting would be to centralize the application. let me just go back to that. we did actually already move ton

o on this but i assume your be sure that we now we're moving toward facilitating complications that will bring the whole fleet both one centralized process. >> we haven't taken a full position on that yet i'll hold{on the technical side. >> whatever technical issue we're going to change our view. >> perhaps it will illustrate with a hoover story. hoover was, of course, your modeling they've got the predeposit fees >> well, we'll talk about that in a moment. >> it happens there's a lot of taxi drivers on this system but

they book off on saturday. because their too

in this legislation >> i think doctor touched on this and maybe i'll ask him to speak to why we made that recommendation. >> we felt it was important to signal the correct long intention as well as to prepare for it. when you raise the price on those things at any time hard to come down. let's say you have a successful industry. and lower is better by you've committed to two hundred and 50

and that's a 11 of property ability that people have gotten used to. so stick with that. it would mean less car ownership. the interaction of public transportation >> given all that you know given what's going on if we were to expand would you continue to finance those madalinas at $250,000 a pop. >> yeah. >> i know you've met many a mike phones in your life. >> i'm comfortable with that. >> yes. we've gone through the study and we share the shame

concerns as many do with the other, you know, hoover lift and sidecar with what's happening on that so we would support a lower value at $250,000 and we'd finance that. >> you'll continue to finance then? >> yes and a thank you that's very helpful. i didn't ask you the hard question whether i'd finance at 3 hundred this is a significant revenue decrease on the agency go which something we've agreed on. i hear everybody you're saying. is the staff recommendation that we follow that and reduce to 250

despite the impacts. i feel like i'm not a party because i'm not an economist. but when doctor made the recommendation i went to the credit union and i learned that the $250,000 price is really very, very comfortable price. that's been working very well increase in terms of people getting quality and people feeling like there's a value in the madalinas. but i want to channel the extreme anxious on the streets among the ma intelligence holder and purchaser who think i need to get rid of this thing before the whole industry collapses. or people say i'm not sure i

want to buy that or real estate. i feel uncomfortable with the taxi industry the way it's going >> i years ago people may have a different view of it today. but one of the brightest people saying they're happy with financing the madalinas as a value. it's my question if there are policy reasons to move it back to two hundred and 50 i'm all ears. i don't want to increase sell them either >> it's a sense of abundance of caution it's easy to go up but

hard to come down again. >> i appreciate that. >> to mr. rosens question is there a cap that they can only sell for $250,000. >> that had to do with the remedies that's not incorporated into this report which would be over the long term provide some kind of a long term price so at least someone could is for at least two years i could give it back to the city for this price. by that's radical. i think we understand something we can talk about later >> so then let's go doctor if i may sorry.

don't mean to move you ail around line like that. there's a again discussion i was moved by the commits of mr. coal about the permits of the process. someone would pass that along he was brilliant in his speech. okay. how do you balance the number of the part time madalinas into our totals >> we have a court remedies on the number of taxis. it also says we would be better off to recommend a similar part

time madalinas our case is 60 not 90 hours we're trying to truly shape that demand to the different spots and the other main difference is with our recommendation that is a form of laefs. where the current permits are given away in the industry who were omitted from the list. so this is not included in our counter recommendation >> so there's two separate issues one is your recommendation is to expand the size of the fleet to meet demand and that could include part time madalinas or not. >> so if there was uptake for the part time. >> and as to the means to do it

you're relating a direct lease to the companies with all the revenues coming to mtas not a single operator. >> i didn't follow the last - and as the single operator is a revenue benefit to the mta because we're giving away the permit value to the operator and so our recommendation. >> it's obviously not the same lease as leasing a madalinas. >> the recommendation is to lease the madalinas to the drivers not to the companies. >> but there 0 we would reck

that the city has more limited revenues. >> the recommendation is that there is value there that is associated with the permit to operate. >> and you haven't recommended a price for that you've left that for later discussion. >> i think after the report we have more information but there's no observable price right now. >> there's an auction but you don't want a fixed price for the reasons we've talked about before. the final question it and i suggest we talk about this a little bit. there's no goes at the house. this is the problem. people are calling hoover because they have the guaranteed system or the system they're

going to show up. so the third thing we've talked about in this sort of four step process and meeting the number of cabs is building in some kind of registration. i'm saying this is something i've going to advocate and push for. i'd like to get your thoughts on that and mayor the plan to put something like that in place wouldn't change our recommendation as far as fleet size >> we do anticipate something along those lines it rebuilds trust to be able to make a deposit. >> also to not only make sure to have a deposit but benefit for the driver to pick up the fair. >> totally agree.

>> i'm done with questions for now. >> thank you, judge. >> one question we've been - first of all, thank you for a great report doctor. and a lot of people put a lot of effort into that it was great to see a lot of people at the town hall meeting. i want to ask about in terms of the other tasks you're going to get about the gate fees what's the timeline on that. i know that the second part of nike question is why make this decision today when we have those upcoming pieces today. this was supposed to have this

stand alone without the recommendations >> even if you the nothing else i need more taxis as soon as possible. people deserve that choice because it takes longer to get out you've got to train the drivers, theirs clearing processes geogetting the vehicles together and mark. we saw how long it took the last two hundred to get out on the road. the sooner the better >> and then the timeline piece of it when can we expect to see the other part of this. >> boo the meter rates and the gate fee issue. we're hoping to have that out in

4 to 6 weeks but whatever it is there it won't change the need you might argue it would change the - we need the timeline like yesterday. >> in that 4 to 6 weeks is that going to be - and you have to see how the taxi will be paid for. in part that case needs to be quick we can do it quick or closing slow in terms of interest we need to - looked like i i'd like to get it done as quickly as possible but in terms of a timeframe the goalposts next is getting out

the gate fee and the meter report >> thank you and thank you, dr. for the report as well. i join my colleagues in thanking you. a couple of things. first in the southern part of the city is a lack of service and my certain is with the current taxis we have it seems like they serve the northern part. i'm not so convinced it seems like half the city is a left out all the time. i've seen that at the university in san francisco it takes a long time to get a taxi. even with the proposal will it

increase the service level of taxis so that's why a lot of taxis can come mere and improve the city >> whether with 6 hundred more techniques we ultimately have the level of service we would like to see the 15 minute dispatch will reveal itself in terms of reference we looked at zones and with new technology we can where a taxi is and license it to be in certain places. none of the neighborhoods outside the corridor are being serviced. we expect to lay the foundation

for using modern technology so i knowed have options. and then my second question is back to the directors question is the increase of the madalinas. and this is on the budget impact of shifting the pricing of the madalinas. i was looking through my comprehensive budget and what will be the impact to the raw budget? >> up until this point we haven't, you know, decided how many of the madalinas would be when we set a price we didn't

know maybe every 10 we use the impact would be this. the math is if we were to secure authorization to get 1 hundred would be times 3 hundred thousand or so. that's the budget impact our if you recall when we were developing the two year budget we're conservative we didn't know where this process was going to go. so the question is the recommendation from 2 to 3 hundred would it yeast a revenue problem? no, i think we have a low enough 0 number we won't create a hole in the budget. we are looking a little to the

long-term and we're feeling more comfortable thank you $250,000 level for the long term to see what the uptake is and to see how the dynamics of the industry how it will change. we thought we had a comfortable margin and put it on indexing he feel comfortable with the downward adjust and again, i don't think it will have any budget impacts. assuming we move forward with this whatever level we set will set the expectations thought he

- next year's price. >> how about the madalinas reduction in price. >> part of the logic was based on 50 percent discount. we had a little bit of discussion about that, too. i thought we needed to bring it down to get a down payment >> we did and we're taking it down to two hundred and 50 thousand but it's still million dollars to the agencies. so certainly the board has the discretion to adjust this remedies. >> we felt that having the 50 percent value so therefore if

we're going to reduce the madalinas price. >> we're still in a position where folks are going to have no down payment to get their madalinas. >> i believe the reduced price can be done without down payment. >> that's going to be my next question. >> thank you. thank you doctor. i jousted reading this report. i feel like i learned more about your taxi industry. i want to or just get a little bit more information about the idea of the direct leasing. i focused on recommendation 6 which protects the drivers from lease fees.

i always every time i'm reminded of the broker situation i feel it's really taking advantage of the industry we currently have and taking advantage of the drivers in particular. the direct leasing is it your recommendation to qualifyed drivers or color scheme >> we recommend that drivers if they're able to take it up they can get the option and now will that direct leasing to qualified drivers is that a way to get rid of that broker situation or the fact that we have some pre k permits all washed out. it will help in all cases your giving one party in a private traction on option to walk out

the door. >> on an enforcement basis i can't spy on every traction a taxi is a mobile. the kind of police you need is very tough. if you're selling eggs for one price no one can beat you >> the single operator peak madalinas it's right now at 90 hours we are to reduce it to 60 hours. the 90 hours is one driver covering that? >> it's a 10 adheres max in line good pursuance. in top of that there's a give back you're not going to - we're

rewarding people who have driven long hours already. >> so that single operator permit is one operator, one driver and now you're speaking to chris's? >> i want to distinguish what we're having in place a senior operating permit because it was given to taxi drivers in order of their a card seniority for the purpose to allow individuals to maintain a certain amount of shifts and it is not a classic model that well, there's no classic model of a single permit

because it's a rare type of you arrangement. the single permit risks you face are the full-time expenses. one of the risks is somebody become i will and not been able to make they're driving income and not been able to make the payments on the capital investment. we added the ability for those senior drivers to make arrangements to have other drivers assist them if they neat that car to think driven. also the senior operator permits don't have a 90 adhere minimum and a 40 hour maximum and that's

again, the qualified or - we knew there might be a tag team effort here. so as i indicated in the staff report we put those out there not ongoing how this would outline shape out and at the end of the day the companies were offering senior operator packages so the operator could have the companies schedule additional drivers but invasion to that the surprise to us the package included a thousand dollars a month to