department during this budget cycle to see if there's anything else we can do about speeding up the number of firefighters. however, that has to be a different conversation. we've making sure they're getting the most sufficiency out of their hours >> thank you very much. this will lowering the overtime but i appreciate the explanation >> i appreciate the partnership working with the mayor's off and we coming up with those

projections. supervisor reed. >> i'm just curious as to why clearly the direction with the mandatory overtime with the need for new classes and a more rapid pace why did we choose to open station 35 rather than a cadet class. >> when the construction was completed we opened that station up. we basically deviate from prop f for two one half years so we were overdue with reopening that station. our response time showdown response times so we, you know,

we worked with the mayor's budget office we knew we were bringing back that station and that cost is it in overtime it's between 2.5 and $3 million every year >> the disrespects i have asked for an additional class in addition to the classes coming on line for the mandatory overtime and the response was that we choose to open station and this wasn't from the department necessarily it was between reopening station 35 and open station 35 and there was in favor of the opening the

station. >> because obls we basically restaffed the beer continuing to work with the mayor's budget office their fully aware we're understaffed and we're doing the best we can. to me the mandatory staffing requirement with our salaries and the higher amount of overtime it worked well, for awhile but now we're feeling the pain. >> another question i had in the budget analysis report is part of the budget expenses are coming for the airport. my understanding is the airport

sooshdz all of the expenses of that department i'm confused of all the allocation of the airport for the budget >> you're right we have if you happened from the port and the airport and it pays for the stations. and they also pay for the overtime? correct >> but it doesn't read that why harry rose? >> there's general fund portion and it's clearly stated on page 3 of our report if you take a look at on table 3 for the source of fund we say that the

airport would be fully paying for the request. the balance of 4 million would be paid but he general fund. we totally agree with the department and they ago with you on that presentation >> i'm trying to said why there's such a large amount of overtime for those folks in particular. >> so i think that was accurate. there's 3 chiefs that exceeded the amount of salary but because of the shortage in our personnel

if they put in a shift for mandatory overtime they're able to make that >> i know there is a large number of chiefs for the department and it doesn't seem as if there should be a significant need foro. in that particular category. i'm trying to understand how you that is possible with the chiefs in general >> you know it covers not only the requirement that it would be preinclude a sick pay or leaves of absence that's what it counts for . >> the occurrence of mandatory

overtime are much more prevalent is in the lower ranks. >> and also with the firefighters and paramedics as well there's a lower number of positions correct? >> yes. >> thank you. colleagues any other questions for the chief? okay. thank you very much we might have more questions we open the analysis report. and a member on the report of page 2 of the report excuse me. page 3 the fire department has based on their proenlss on the 3 months of fiscal 2013 through the pay period.

based on the most rights expenditure data due to the pate period ending the 34 hundred and 66 thousand less than department projections as supervisors it is absolutely correct this is simply a transfer of fund a reappropriation from surplus permanent salaries and benefits to overtime. so there's no additional funds from the department being requested. in fact, if those fund were not needed for overtime a portion of which she is sigg is telling you or not that would be would go back to the fund to fund any

other project in accordance with the priorities of board of supervisors. supervisorss i also want to state that i will stake my reputation as of june 30th the forth coming the fire department will have more than 5 how does of structure plus funds. of 18 hundred and 18 employees i will stake my reputation the controller can verify if i am correct or not. the point is if you leave the money now here it will be extended ono.. if you reduce the request and

then the department subsequently comes back to the board of supervisors and a shows a demonstrated need that we're wrong and they need the additional money we would absolutely say they're correct. but i'm stating that i do state my reputation there are be more than competence money. we recommend that to reduce the general from 4 million to 3 you million 188 and that you reduce the same reappropriation to 4 million and that you approve the

proposal. and if you accept that that money will run to the general fund. >> thank you, mr. most o rose. chief mentions or articulated the numbers you used were based a number it's a trait line number and it's been stated in past years there's been spent so straight line take that off that summer time - >> we didn't use the straight line figures. going forward into the summer we looked because it was in our data stats it was definitely increased spending there. there is a period, however, we

don't really see a need for above average spending. we take into account there might be holidays and such but they couldn't tell us how the spending would be used. >> a few comments colleagues because of the legislation that was passed were back before us today. this is the legislation i helped to sponsor. clearly the fire department has its nuclear situation with the staffing levels and the current status of our workforce and i think it's embarrassing as a city that we don't fund those.

i do want to look at this again, i think it's a real travesty we don't do this as a city. and over time as you replace salary with o.j. to fund those missing short time hours. i think it's like we refund the police department different program but at the same time issue. we're going to have to hire more folks. i think what he have is an issue about the $400,000. we can accept mr. roses

recommendations or regret those recommendations. we could also put that amount of money on budget committee reserve florida we needed this money down the road we wouldn't have to have a month to month appropriation issue that were we could then revisit and see if we need to take up mr. roses reputation as well. >> i have a question for mr. rose i want to make sure i understand. if we kit the $466,000. you believe they're going to use

less over that time and a supervisor i'm talking about their entire budget they have a many 3 hundred and have $6 million budget and by june 3rd they're going to have more than that. my point is supervisor if you don't accept our recommendation or reserve it it will the department will spend it on overtime in my judgment unnecessarily. i'm sigg to the board to reassure yourself whether or not i'm right or they're right reduce or reserve this let me let them come back and justify

and we will then again dependently look at it >> if you're saying we find ways to generate more overtime it will automatically happen. if that's true and then if we just tell them come back later if their bound and determined to spend unnecessary it's going to be done is if what you're saying is true i don't know what you're solution is if it meets it. we have a fundamental discussion

about the overtime needs. >> let me supervisor you make a valid point. most of the overtime that is extended by the fire department and the police department and the municipal transportation addition is valid and neat and justified. but there is some overtime supervisors in each of those departments that that money did not need to be extended over time. if you did take our remedies it would shed a little bit more light on what in what capacity the fire department. and if they have, in fact, shown the need it must be spent on

overtime my office with recommendation approval

>> mr. rose talks about his reputation i'm a huge fan. i'm not going to talk about my reputation if you want us to come back to you i'm delighted to say i told you so. if you could do a reverse on the tape you would see he came up with this last year.

if you're decision is we need to come back to you we'll do the best we can. it's not 0 superiority or a game i work for a high quality department and respect the members of the fire department. i take this seriously. i think if anything some of my members we'll overtime tried to achieve the 18 hundred members but i can tell you we need a lot more than 18 hundred arrest we're going to get there with those classes. it's not staking my reputation.

i've been the chief for 10 years i'm not going to stake my reputation on that but i will come back and tell you about the disputed amount on reserve. >> i want to thank you for the presentation. i do think that this has nothing to do with the newspaper article but i think it's important when we're looking the appropriation for any city department it's not about questioning their reputation or their ability to micromanaging the department. this has been an issue for many, many years. with that i think we should accept the recommendation of our budget analyst and if this

happens to come back be before us i think that based my review of the budget analyst report i was exist to have some you saves and adding a new class to the department to deal with this issue of mandatory overtime. we've got to be really, really conservative and to have something with no clear digestion at this point based on a delayed budget analysis is something we shouldn't do. at this point, i want to move forward with the budget analyst remedies and if there's a need in the future there's a process. this is our responsibility to taxpayers that we're watching every single dime and i think we need to move forward in this.

>> we're going to have to open up to public comment in a second. and we need to fulfill fund our safety departments as he it should be a priority of our city to do that. chief mentioned a fire in my district it's easy to poke when you have articles but the underlying fact is we depend up

upon. public comment is closed. >> i'm okay with the recommendation. i'm okay to go to the recommendation. if we have people on the committee. did you make a recommendation to a motion. well, i made a recommendation we

support the >> i'm not going to support that motion and i agree with the sentiment behind it but all i know preapprove or not approve that. perhaps i can ask someone to

explain this. >> actually, we have no objection it's the same thing except that and if the turns out we're correct and the money is still there it will do just what you want it to be to go back into the fund so the bottom line it would expedite a process and

achieve the same objective. >> we need to close3 4 f1... ..

>> making a production based on actual data about what the overtime needs are going to be. it's not a number the department pulled out of thin air. i understand mr. rhodes disagrees and i totally understand that but the fact is we are close to the end of the fiscal year and i think the department knows what its needs are and i won't be supporting the motion to reduce the request. >> supervisor beady, any more comments? or chief do you have anything to add? >> i do, just one final thing. i get and i appreciate the conversation. i also appreciate mr. rhodes which i think is sort of a compromise, if you will. i'm all about efficiency, i know all of you are. it sounds as if, and you all know this better