seating all around and one of the keepings that we plan to do is to be able to separate the space. is what these lines here indicate. and we want the venue to be able to be the right size for the right night. and we will be able to have a cocktail lounge on certain nights of the week and then on, you know, nights like friday and saturday, it opens up and it is a dance bar with a dance floor and a wonderful music and one of the key changes about this venue is that it can be a small and more intimate and a warm comfortable and inviting cocktail lounge, when you know like on a monday night and then can be a dance bar on weekends. we are really looking carefully at the music that we are selecting because we want to make sure that we are not appealing to a problem crowd. we will have some amount of live entertainment.

think of more like caboret shows, if people are familiar with josie's caboret, and we would like to bring some of the entertainment that was at josie's into this venue. and the castro has a lot of places that can have live entertainment. but it tends to be either really small spaces or there is the cafe is huge and i think that this will be a nice medium sized spot in the castro where we can have the live entertainment that is larger than (inaudible) could do but not, you know, like a huge night clubs south of market. >> now we have done a lot of work on the security plan and we will have guard cards and the lead training. we will utilize parole special for dealing with the incident response as well as on special events, and we will use electronic id checking and have a camera system with an hd camera at least one at the door and save that for 30 days.

we actually have been speaking with mission station about working to standardize security procedures across all four of our bars and hopefully can start coaxing the other venues to follow suit and it would be nice to standardize that and we are excited about that process. just one comment on the conditions, i did meet with the mission station last thursday. and they did not have the conditions prepared at that time. so i have not seen them. so i would just respectfully ask if i could see them. >> and i apologize for that, that is my fault for not getting this earlier. >> i think that is everything that i had to say. >> great, i have some questions. >> what are you using to divide up the room to be different things is brilliant. but what you are using to divide it up?

>> right now, the design is to have actually... >> you are prepared. >> it is actually a wooden balls that are going to be painted probably metallic and reflect, that are going to be hung by wire and they will be, and it can be kind of a pixilated effect and you can sort of see through there but not completely. that is what the designers come up with. we have concerns about... >> i know. involved in the gay bar. i am sorry. yes, that is the design. >> so you are not using a solid wall. >> no. >> it will be something that will go and down like a shade >> probably slide to the side. >> like a curtain? >> yes. >> we have concerns about how

durable that will be and so we are working on the kinks of that design. but we are hoping that design will work. help me see that you are thinking about doing live shows? >> yes, i am sorry if i am not reading your drawings well where is the stage, and is there a permanent stage? >> behind the bar. >> the stage is next to the dance bar. >> is it attached to the bar? >> it is not permanently attached. we may go with something that is removable but right now the design is to always be there. >> just to be clear, you are attaching the stage to the place where you serve alcohol? >> it is behind it. >> so it is not attached to it? >> no. >> it is on the other side. >> there is a wall that the back of the bar is a wall that goes up 8 feet.

>> okay. >> and on the other side of that. >> cool. >> i think that, have you spoken to your neighbors. >> yes, in fact one of the neighbors, had originally protested with the license transfer and we met with them and now what they want to do is he has agreed to withdraw that protest. and we have talked to a lot of people in the neighborhood, and in fact, dtna had a lot of excellent feedback for us that we incorporated into the design. >> on the sound system you said that you were changing the system to be appropriate. are you using lower profile speakers? >> that is the plan. >> so more of them, but lower profile speakers. >> yes. >> and the area that is the triangle that comes out is that an alley way on to the street? >> no. it is kind of a service area, this is actually an interesting

property. this is a 3 story one bedroom, apartment that is part of the same property. >> and you are not going to be using that for anything but the office. >> office on the ground floor and an apartment above. probably used for a bar manager or something, we have not figured that out yet. >> okay. >> i forgot one thing. i do have a letter of support from the owner of the building and i offered to you mostly because it is on the letterhead that is over 80 years old from the gaprecide company which was a winerry that operated in this venue over 100 years ago. >> who was that? >> thank you. >> commissioner hyde? >> i just wanted to, you have not expanded the space that from what it used to be right? >> no. >> it is the same size as trigger was? >> correct.

>> okay. >> and if anything were shrinking it during the certain times. >> that is what i thought >> and okay, have you had a chance to read over these conditions? >> no. sorry. >> i was wondering if you could take a quick look at 3 and 8 for me? >> i am okay with those. >> you are okay with visual recordings of patrons coming in and having promoters provide special event general liability insurance? >> well, so, i'm okay certainly with three. and 8, we are actually not really planning to have outside promoters generally. and i guess that i need to understand that better. >> i think that i would

understand that better as well. >> >> in my percent, a person that comes to do a venue, carries their own liability insurance to whatever value request that they do that. million dollars, a half a million, 200, whatever it is, and they name you as an additional insured so that in the thinking of that, so that is something that if something happened at their promotion, they get sued first and then you get sued second. >> it does not always work that way because usually the people who are injured don't know that your name is additional insured and so they will sue you first and then you will have to petition to have the additional insured sued first. >> that is what that means.

>> >> not understanding that. >> okay. >> i would agree that i have concerned, i do not understand the impact. everything else on there looks fine. >> anybody else have questions for the applicant? >> our patrons are going to be able to go on the dance floor on monday through wednesday. >> and those night that you are not doing dance programming? >> we don't exactly know what days of the week it will be available. >> because it really depends on, i will give you an example. and probably the best way to do it. if you know if it was how it involves, on a monday, then we would open the dance floor. also, if the right event were to present itself, for our

venue like just to give you an example, if you are familiar with the training shack. if we want to throw it here and we would talk to them and it is only on tuesday night and we would consider that. but, and so that would involve opening the dance floor, but what we are really opposed to is, we just want to be very, very selective about that. so if the right party or an event comes up we would like to retain the option for opening the dance floor, but what we don't want to do is try any desperate measure we want it to work out the dance floor because we don't want to have to do what triggered did which was have 80 cent cosmos to fill it out on a monday night. that just causes problems.

so the vending needs to be able to work without the dance floor. i can't unfortunately tell you exactly which nights we will allow dancing. >> i am also trying to figure out what the capacity will be on those nights when you are not opening the dance floor. >> that is a good question. and i don't, i can go to my computer it figure it out. >> i am just going to back to condition 8 and the reason that i asked you is hcre. lina would be a third party promoter that you are bringing in. >> we think that she will get liability insurance. >> no they would not get it. >> fair enough. >> i would... the planning department restrictions have you reviewed them? >> yes, i have. >> and you can function within them or are you going to move to change them? >> no, at this point we can function within those

conditions. and i things are no different than what was there. >> now these conditions were set july 22nd, 2011. >> yes. i am aware of those. >> yeah, we can function within those. >> anybody else? >> all right, why don't you have a seat. thank you. >> mission station? >> hello. >> hi. >> i have a speech, i wrote. >> go for it. my first speech and i failed 7th grade speech class. >> okay. it says, good evening, commissioners. >> good evening. >> officer parker representing mission station and we have an opportunity to see an ill runed neighbor nuisance convert to a responsible member of the community. we cannot forgo the past and

those pret ses soar trigger and the life and the community inhabited and offered more police reports than i care to count. mr. eicher has proposed tis plan to the captain and myself an evening lounge as he described to host the community events and fund-raisers turns dance club. the caster has bar to dance the night away spots. however, a void exists and i believe this is where it will thrive. a well, mannered evening lounge where folks can meet for a beverage after a hard day's work. a place for the sisters can throw a (inaudible) and moneys with be raised for a good cause and people can sweat their back ends off at the latest beat. >> my conditions, are standard as you all know. and number three, there was a

typo in the state it says visual recordings of patrons entering the venue, that is an exist. and those recordings shall be made available for investigation and mr. eicher and i have discussed that thoroughly. as far as number eight, since everyone likes examples, i owned a sailboat and i had to get insurance. at the dock because if my sailboat catches fire, and then the dock catches fire, and all of the other sale boats catch fire. >> it was a good condition so that he and his partners were covered and should one of those promoters comes about and wrecks the place. >> that is up to him and his club and his business, right? so without further adieu that is all that i have. >> thank you. >> just so that you know, i

don't think that this commission can dictate the conditions of policy. >> commission hyde? >> officer parker i think that you are doing a fantastic job being new at this and taking innovative steps and trying new things and commend you on them and wanted to say that one of my, my wishing to discuss number 8 does not negate at all the fantastic job that you are doing and i wanted to make sure that you any that i thought that. >> i had a question about condition three, is there a reason that you are not actually asking them to have a camera? >> sort of like if you do, for most of the other conditions that we have had for these types, that you absolutely need to record it and so it is curious why there is more lean antsy here. >> and you may know the answer to word around that scoot

weiner is taking on the camera issue along with the aclu and he was all for them being thrown up except for the bathrooms at one time. so knowing full well, that he is going to have fantastic cameras and camera and god knows that we could not ask for anything more in our discussions. and those visual recordings that i know exist. and then you know, the police would like to leave them for an investigation. >> okay. >> so, that makes me wonder, so, could you tell anywhere the cameras are going to be in the club just not in the bathroom. >> that is a good to know, anything else besides... >> well let me refine the question. >> besides, outside the club, monitoring the entrance, are

there any other cameras within the establishment that you are planning to install. >> you have to come up so you could be recorded. and after he says it, i want to tell you something >> we will have cameras throughout the main, public areas. we will not be able to capture 100 percent but our goal is to capture the vast majority of the venue as well as the sidewalk out front. >> will you be posting a sign that says there are cameras inside and that the people will be recorded? >> yes. >> so that changes then, and maybe unintentionally with that language of condition three. it actually broadens the scope of recordings that is normally, reading from another condition that only requires the cameras

be footage be available to the police on request for the cameras monitoring an entrance and so let me clarify the best way that i can. the cameras on the street have no conditions of privacy and if they have cameras of people just walking down the street? that is one thing. if the business choose to have a policy, to record inside anti-theft or whatever their reason, and they have to post, and inform people that they are being surveyed. and it is more than likely, that i guess that a business has a right to once they notice it, i am not sure of this. but i think that they can request a search warrant for those recordings. we cannot tell them if it is their policy and they post it.

that they cannot surveil their property. >> but condition three says that if they have cameras that they have to make it available to the employees. >> yeah. >> oh, no, yeah. >> so, the difference between that you can have cameras. and you can post in the community. >> and you are being sur veiled. >> and so if you approved condition three, we are saying that without a warrant that the police can request. >> we are not required a warrant when we have gone requesting the video surveillance. >> you would need a warrant. >> and we need to think about that, number three the way that it is recorded might be bet tore just stick with the current standard recording.

>> right. >> during the discussion there going to be id readers? is that where? >> you do plan to have the electronic id checking device. it won't be used like during happy hour, and we will have security at the front door. >> is it going to be a hand held device, have you looked into the problems that come along with this and everything like that? >> yes. >> you have added this? >> that is correct. yes. >> are there any other questions? >> question? >> go for it. >> with regards to condition three. are we fwoeg to amend the wording back to the old wording? would that satisfy? >> we will not answer that now, we will answer it when we make

a motion. >> well,... given all of the feedback in the concerns that we have had about this, would the police department be amending this >> no we will not amend it. >> i guess then what she is... and that is just, and in lastly, we have had some success with mr. eicher and the establishments and the video that we have received with fr* him. we have been inundated from thefts from bars and so that is a positive result as nabing the culprits that come in and steal the patron's belongings. >> i think that if you request the video footage and he choose to give it to you, it is one thing, you cannot demand it. if he refuses you cannot demand it, you would have to get a warrant. that is the deal.

>> so if he choose to give it to you fine if he does not you cannot demand. it. without a warrant. maybe everybody has been so nice and gives it to me. >> that is because you are nice >> thank you very much. >> could i get clarify fioretti ollar clarification, yes. >> any other public comment on that? >> public comment is closed. discussion, motion? >> >> you know, i would like to say that and strike number 8, and as a condition, and because that should be part of the policy of the venue, to the side and so i would like to strike 8 and also 3.

>> i would like to approve striking those two conditions. >> we have a motion and do we have a second? >> we have a motion and a second. is there a further discussion commissioners? >> wait. on the security issue, the very responsible owner, and i mean that i am just going to, i mean just my own security cameras are played as a very important part of public safety and especially now, there is a lot of stuff going on in the castro and i read the reports and i know that an id scanners are used at temple and things like that. and i think having a sign and letting the patrons and take their own risk and some people may not want to patronize because it is surveyed but that is his choice, i believe in the spirit of what the police want to do with the boston bombing

it plays a big role. obviously. we can't control i side with you guys of putting it as a condition. due to the capacity of this facility, i think that putting a sign up there to warn people, because i am a supporter of security cameras. that i think it is a decision that the business owner will make. if he sureys people without informing them. there are consequences of that. i don't think that it is the purview of the commission that if he should have cameras inside or not and what he should do. and inside of his venue. all right that is my opinion. >> how about if we go back to the old language of having the video footage outside be

available to the police department? >> i think that he has been very clear that intends to have them in and out, no matter what the condition we do. i think that we speak to in my opinion, this is my opinion, that i think that we speak to the issue, by not making it a mandatory caption. what he choose to do and for his own safety and the clubs that he owns in the city that he probably will put in cameras but it is not a condition. we can't ding them if he doesn't have them. >> is that clear? >> that was my intent as well. i mean, is that okay? >> okay. okay. any other discussion? >> could i just make one last comment? >> i think that it is a really great business and obviously shows that you have given a lot of thought to it and it is unfortunate to see that part of the market street so dead over the last year and i am excited to see it come back to life and

bring the positive energy. >> that was a great comment >> call the question. >> is there a clarity on the motion? >> yes. >> to approve striking three and 8 on the condition. >> in total? >> commissioner tan? >> aye. >> lee? >> aye. >> hyde >> aye. >> perez. >> aye. >> akers. >> joseph. >> aye. >> good luck to you. >> item number 6 f? >> i apologize, we are running late. so, cami had to step out and she will run, this is hotel nikko. she is back, look at that. >> go for it cami. >> sorry. >> called my children it is getting late. >> okay, so this is for they have applied for a place of

entertainment and also a extended hours permit. >> and they previously had both of these permits but a change of ownership has triggered this application and so they would like to have both of those partnered with finesfiens and like the raz room that previously occupied this space, it will be a jazz, light pop and broad way show tunes and that kind of entertainment. they would also like to use it for banquets and other events and it is also a hotel they have paid attention. they have approved the inspections and they are ready to go. >> they previously had a permit, did they previously have a permit? >> yes. but there is a change of ownership. >> got you. >> okay. >> is the applicant here? >> hi, welcome.

thanks. >> this is your opportunity to address the commission. if you have something to say. i would like the permit please. >> we love that. that is absolutely the best presentation right there. >> and then, we get the opportunity to ask you questions. great. >> commissioners? >> is the questions for the hotel nikko? >> i had a question, just on the neighborhood contact, it says supervisor ried district five? >> are you not in district six? >> no. i don't believe. >> you are in district six. >> yes, we are. >> so maybe kim's office would be a better start. >> okay. >> any other questions?

>> since the raz room was pretty sound proof in there have you done any changes to it, basically they went out and you are coming in? >> kind of, yeah i mean we have done he is aesthetic things. >> sound proofing? >> no. >> is there your new sound system here? >> have you seen your application? or are you just here? >> okay. so, these pictures? >> yes. >> cool. >> could we ask a question of the staff? >> i have not seen a hotel in my time on the commission. are we permitting the hotel or finstiens? >> this goes for the entire hotel space. >> they could perform all over the building. >> they be in suitof

rooms on the tenth floor. >> interesting and they would not invite you. >> okay. >> so that depends if we get the permit or not. >> you are on television. >> yes. >> any other questions? >> hi. >> i know that you have a whole list of neighborhood contacts here. and i just want to know if you could expand more on what actually transpired with this neighborhood out reach. and what did that entail? >> well, last year, we gave over 3,000 hours back to the community. so we replanted flowers in the union square and we served once and take one day a month off of the calendar and service at glide. so