up to questions and comments? >> thank you. are there any community members present that would like to make a comment? >> it's back in your hands. >> thank you very much. now we are going to part b. we will be having our report from councilmember wong. >> are you ready, mr. wong? >> okay. now i am. yes, may 16, the fiscal access committee had a joint meeting with the joint module accessibility advisory committee. we got to the same presentation that you just heard. one of the most

important things for me as a member of the mayor's disability council, the mac and accessible parking advisory committee and the mac is importance of hearing public comment. i also wanted to share with you a summary of the mac comments from yesterday. mac -- one member recommended that the sfmta convert a parking garage to disabled parking only and run para transitentrance service to this to deliver transportation services and

discussed limited income individuals maybe negatively impacted by having to pay at the meter. a member committee member expressed that the dmv should review all placards be certified that they are valid and continues to be. one member felt that time limits and payment are good ideas and be fairer. the members pointed out that many low income people ride the bus. a couple of members expressed concern, some areas do not have enough blue zones for people who need them. areas of judea and 23rd was

specifically cited. a member expressed concern that red temporary placard are subject to a lot of abuse which should be dealt with. one expressed frustration over the implementation of street fares often which block blue spaces and replace them with temporary spaces which are often occupied by vehicles of fair merchants or have their access impacted by bicycles parked at meters. a committee member suggested that bicycles should pay for parking before disabled parking placards owners should. a

committee member raised ideas that all taxis should be given placards so they can use these at blue zone parking and drop off an every bus zone should have it. a member specified that placards often park everyday and changing this practice would solve the problem. that concludes my report as chair of the access committee meeting. our next meeting is friday june 14, 130 to 2:30 at market street on the first floor. we hope you will join us then. thank you.

>> thank you, again thank you for the presentation and now we are going to open it up for public comment from the council first, please. and we have chip? >> yes. a question is for carla and the committee. are there plans to make a, as much as a the disabled and financially challenged population to get a discount on munis, is it possible to get a discount on meters? >> good afternoon, madam chair and members of the council. the committee didn't really discuss , actually the committee discussed the issue of the affordability quite a bit and there was concern with members of our committee as you heard

from mr. wong there was from the mac as well about the potential impact of parking payment on people's ability to pay and therefore ability to access parking. the primary goal of this was to improve access to parking and as you heard from the presentation our findings from the research that the most significant ways to do that was this body of recommendations that included requiring payment at the meter to really remove the incentive for misuse. the placard program put in place not to address income issues, but to address physical disability issues. so we did focus on that. there was some discussion about ability to pay and the impact on that. we have the transit card, rtc

card that provides low income discount. at this time it's not something that we've looked at in terms of parking. not sure there would be an easy way for us to implement that and also people who have access to a motor vehicle tend to i think a lower number of people that close to vehicles are low income. so it is something that i imagine that we'll hear more as the process goes along and something that we can look at. it's not something that the committee recommended at this point. >> okay. thank you. >> bob, i wanted to amplify on that. it wasn't an issue ignored or dropped. when that suggestion came to us, i started to realize that would be a very staff time burdensome issue because maybe this year you win the lottery, maybe and

suddenly your income jumps that you might be eligible this year but because you win the lottery next year you are rolling in dough. maybe this year i lose the job in july and i have a problem and my income drops. maybe this year i'm not eligible. this year i might be. it has to be year to year recertification. it's extra staff time and extra paperwork. we thought let's try to do something broader. as jessie pointed out, we do have the suggestion, maybe it can find a way to supplement those that are low income. that might be easier than a discount. how do you deal with that at the

meter? >> they have smartphones to do just about everything else. i have one more question. along those lines, it's a great segway to recertification where those issues explored it all maybe every two or three years rather than automatically getting a placard that people, you know have to go through it. some sort of process of recertification. because lives do change and situations change and needs change for many of us. >> we did look at that and here again, there is also a red placard for those with the temporary disability. it's good for six months and it can be renewed at least once for a long-term major surgery, that may be an option. the way it's worded, it's meant to be the

doctor certifying, i, you, the applicant has a permanent disability. maybe the surgery problem gets healed in the future. as for the data certification you can't count on it. you can't say let's look at it in five years. the dmv told us it would take a lot of time to get to recertify everyone so often. it's extra staff, time, cost with the efficiency with the system as it is. >> thank you. >> i will just add one quick comment to that too. we didn't want to be overall burdensome for people who are eligible for placards by making them to have to go back to the doctors to get recertified. we didn't want

them to have extra appointments. it was something we talked about in our committee meeting. >> thank you. anymore? i want to thank you because you just reeducated me. we learn something new everyday. the placard and it is not for a payment. that was like blam. it was 4 people with disabilities. it wasn't made to have less on the meter. thank you guys. that is a big education teaching us something. i mean, i'm sure a lot of people probably think the same thing. it's for like

no income and i'm glad you said that. it is not for that. the income will be changed. you will have to pay. it's kind of hard, but we have to do what we have to do to keep everyone with disabilities safe. thank you very much for your presentation. we are going to open it up. no more council members? any staff? anybody on the bridge line? >> hello? >> yes, you are on. >> yes. i'm trying to get away from my tv so it will stop echo. >> okay. take your time.

>> thank you for your patience. you know, just watching this and they are talking about the -- i live on government assistance. okay. government assistance. that's how i feed myself and bathe myself with soap. it's all government assistance. so if i want to drive and park at a meter, i understand working through it, but you got to work through it with people with low income in mind. because you may have done the research all around the

nation, but we all could admit that san francisco is different than any city in the united states of america. okay. and this city is an expensive city, it's expensive to go eat. this is an expensive city. so if you are living on government assistance and you need to go somewhere and you need to park there and pay the meter and you only can stay there for three hours, i'm a person with a disability. i'm in a wheelchair. i have to get myself situated. that's going to take time. it may take me 5-10 minutes just to get myself situated and when i get out of the car. so, i appreciate what

you are doing, but i think you really got to think about people with low incomes in the city and county of san francisco. thank you. >> is there anybody else on the bridge line? >> thank you very much. >> okay. we are going to public comment. and we have viera first. >> i disagree on payment for

meters because i have a placard and two disabilities. heart lung problems and my knees are slowing down too. but, it's been very hard to find a blue zone. they are always full. and it is marvelous to be able to use a parking meter and i use them in neighborhoods that are not considered desirable because i have always worked in neighborhoods that are not considered desirable so i may have to walk a little farther. i'm delighted that they are going to have more blue zones, but the negative in the reduction of time. that could be a problem for some people. we didn't hear from people who are using it for all day volunteer or all day lowering

pay jobs. i saw they had three jobs and two of them were volunteer on their websites. if you have a car, one thing we said if you have a car you can afford to pay at a meter. well, some people, seniors are likely to have an old car. mine is 14 years old and i have another member of the advisory council i'm on is 22 years old. so you are not buying a new car. you are trying to get by and trying to keep mobile and involved in the life of the community and you are trying to go to cultural programs and this is an essential part, the disabled placard, the last means of independence for many people. i also think it is bad public policy and we have seen it already beginning to happen when we are reducing the amount of things that we've had for

disabled. like when i told the munis transportation planners don't end the 38 ocean beach because it's my way to get to kaiser. that meant nothing to her. so, i lost that. then this is going to come and this will make it hard if you have to pay. and the other thing, the third thing is that munis is now has no incentive for taxis. they were saying do you have ideas to incentivize taxis or you may have no more because the taxi drivers don't like it. i would like to say my two things were don't support the parking meter charge and the other thing is that this council has said they have no blue zones where there are tow away zones. that came from

years ago. i would like you to rescind that too at some point. >> thank you. we have howard next. okay. good afternoon.

council members, madam chair. last week i had a lunch with dog patch and the merchants association business directory, the welcome letter from goldstein said here you find the weather is sunny and people are friendly and we have abundant free parking. mta can't do anything about the weather, but if mta has it's way parts of strans can be neither abundant nor free for the people or the general public. of course placard fraud should be investigated. i do support recertification. i have had a placard for 30 years and it comes like clock award. i could have died 10 years ago

and it would have come. i know someone who did diane -- die and it keeps coming to their family. policy should not be considered in a vacuum. it should be a campaign like some people against cars. including adding meters in residential neighborhoods that did not have meters before. eliminating many spaces even though not designated as such, for example elimination of parking spaces on oak street, the reduction of the defactor access for space on jfk drive, the plans to get rid of a lot of parking on polk street, the plans to get rid of all parking in 2/3 of a mile on masonic. so learn more about mta's campaign against cars

because i think this is relevant to the issues on the committee. please go to save masonic.com. save polk street which is save polk street.com. district 5 diary. that's district no. 5diary.com. meter madness which is meter madness do the word press.com. eastern neighborhoods united fronts which the sfenuf.org. and then

also sf info which is sfpar .info. thank you. miss jackie. we are going to ask if you would limit your comment to 2 minutes because we still have a lot of stuff on the agenda if that's okay please. we are

still on public comment item 7. >> thank you. i'm allergic to labs and i was thinking being in the bathroom was far enough away that i wouldn't leave in an ambulance. that's how sensitive i am. going from there to the blue placard thing. very quick placard story. i live at the apartment between folsom and howard street. i heard a loud commotion, loud music one day and i see two latino males who are discussing one having a flat tire and need to get a ride to have the flat tire repaired. one of them had a

blue placard and his friend said, where did you get that from? he said never mine, i want to use it. he said you can't use that. he threw it in the gutter. i ran across the street with my walker and reclaimed it and had it since this day. i'm the mac member who spoke about the street fares. the problem being that blue zones are displaced and disabled people who happen to live in the neighborhood have been invaded have no place to park. there needs to be a different formula for coming up with how many disabled places to put around the neighborhood so that disabled people can park there and so the merchants don't park there and the bicycle people don't latch

their bicycles to the meters. i have a complaint with the mayers office with disability, sharon is due to get a response to me. i don't think she's going to make her deadline. >> thank you very much. >> christina? >> i just want to address a few of the things. i thought all the public comments were helpful. that's what we are here for especially with respect to payment and time limits tlchlts a couple things i want to reiterate. i think the person with the presentation covered. one thing that i'm not sure was covered is the idea that people with

disabilities need more time getting in and out of their vehicles with the exception about time. the time it takes to get out of your vehicle does not count against the meter time. we want to educate the public on that. with that it shouldn't take extra time to get out of your vehicle. it's definitely a topic of conversation. on the payment issue it's something that was really heavily discussed in the committee meeting. it was very difficult. we looked at so much statistics and data that indicated that payment at meters did not have a negative on folks with others in the community and other demographics in our city. we are going to roll this out with a huge package of things that

is really intended to provide access for people with disabilities. not to cutoff access. i hope that people can see this is a package of solutions and that we are being really thoughtful as we role these out and we want to continue to hear your very important feedback. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> it's a surprise. i have a big question about this. what will happen if somebody use, not using the handicap spot or

using the blue thing, what happens if somebody steals it from your car. that's what i'm wondering. if they do that, what if they get the california id card use it for the bus and the drivers know don't use the id card and more people using it. me question again, will you please answer this question, what will happen if somebody sell your car or abuse it or what happens to that person? >> thank you.

>> you're welcome jerry. next is mike. good afternoon. i'm a student at city college. as we try to remember the year when we met john scott around 2002 in a different position. i was sitting in a mayor's city council and it was up to be appointed and left the city hall politics field the reason i'm here today just to echo, i would like