simple enough to do? >> the changes really are more to the point where the officer who is in pursuit will still have to follow the same protocols. to that it has not changed. where we have made significant changes is if the suspect vehicle starts to drive towards a pedestrian or a crowd of pedestrians we could use our patrol car to move in front of the suspect's vehicle in order to protect their life. currently we don't have that ability so we would somehow move our vehicle or another patrol vehicle out in front in order to protect human life. that is the major change to our policy. we're always constaftly doing a balance and that's what we refer to as the balance test whether this pursuit needs to occur or not and the risk to the general

public. we really wish to minimize any risk to the general public while we are doing our due diligence to try to apprehend this criminal. >> sergeant could you explain the situation that occurred that prompted this change. >> the reason for the major change is a gentleman came from the east bay and ran over 14 pedestrians in our city and i believe he was actually looking for a police officer to run over but he found 14 citizens to run over and severely injure and the pursuit came to a stop with the suspect hitting a car in laurel village near california street. >> a non police car. >> a non police car. >> and our general at the time precluded the officers from using a vehicle to block the suspect's assault on

pedestrians. >> [inaudible] >> if i may -- i know they have questions, but actually when i saw this i was hoping -- sometimes we get general orders and the proposed differences are out lineed in red so we and go directly to those and when i saw i remembered with the old one and different from the new one so next time that comes up that was helpful. i wanted to mention that because you can hone in directly what is different instead of asking you to go through scenarios so i would ask for that. >> commissioner, just to let you know we have been through about 30 different drafts of this document and it's so completely restructured that if we did a red line version everything would be red lined and you couldn't have any meaningful way of telling the changes from that document. >> thanks. >> commissioner chan. >> so i'm glad you brought that up because it did take me to

figure out the differences and i get there is a ton of work put into this and i can how lengthily and detailed and thoughtful that there was a lot of work put into this. i would like to thank the department, occ and all of the other parties in crafting this. i know it's a long time coming. i think i asked about this at least a dozen times so i am excited to finally see it and i can see why it took so long. there is a delicate balance protecting pedestrians and protecting the officer and address any public safety concerns especially with the driver of the vehicle that might be wanted for something so i appreciate that. i think it's well done and i notice the way it's written and that word "balance" throughout and a consideration of the different factors that we just listed out and motorists and pedestrians and peace officers and protecting the public and i want to highlight something i think

was helpful is the provision of contacting supervisors and keeping supervisors in the loop whenever possible and especially when it am cans to a vehicle pursuit there are many things to balance it's important to have someone with that level of seniority to supervisor and know what is going on with the exception of some rare circumstances it makes a lot of sense to do that. >> supervisory control over a pursuit and code three response is state law. it's required that we have someone who is not actually involved in the pursuit, a cooler mind, possibly more experience monitoring and extra set of eyes if you will, to make sure that the public is safe and that we are meeting the public's interest. >> thank you for that clarification. that's helpful to know, and i want to ask two specific questions. on page five under the information to

transfer during the pursuit number two. actually 2c is the specific section. it lists when radio traffic allows the pursuing officer shall transmit the following information if known and time permits. one traffic conditions and make and color of the vehicle description of the persons and any weapons. i didn't see in terms of public safety and pedestrians and vehicles are around and i assume that is in the traffic conditions. >> that's correct. if i can draw your attention to 2b. 2b is the very first item the officer says as they pick up the microphone and begins to broadcast. therefore -- who am i? i will give my call sign and suspect violation. we're going for the violent felon or immediately need to apprehend,

direction of travel and speed. with that first bit of information we probably all right started to move a block or so if not more. cars travel very quickly. you're broadcasting. things happen very quickly. the officer gives that information in the hopes that other units will it as well as a supervisor picking it up and make good decisions whether this pursuit needs to occur or not, and again it's also the balance test. throughout this entire policy it's the balance, the need to apprehend versus the risk to the public. >> thank you. that answers my question for sure. the second question i had was on page eight, section e, coordination management and control of jurisdictional pursuit and below that is two sections, pursuits by other law enforcement agencies in the city and pursuits traveling outside of sfpd and outside agency comes in

here or we go outside and i am wondering -- i assume that this is a case that all -- the balancing test and all these different requirements in here basically applies the same to when another law enforcement agency comes here and we support them, or when we go to another jurisdiction in pursuit. >> if we go to another jurisdiction it is still our policy that our officers are held accountable for. therefore, for example if we go to oakland san francisco policy goes with them. they must follow our policy. doesn't matter where they go. if oakland pd comes to our city their policy follows them. if they ask us to take over the pursuit our policy applies otherwise oakland police department or normally california highway patrol their policy will dictate what their officers will do. if we receive information their officers are in our city we will send one

car to enter that pursuit so we know what is occurring in our city so we can make good judgments as well, and if it's unreasonable if the city our supervisors can certainly call that agency and ask why are you pursuing and we need to cancel. again the balance test. >> thank you. i was looking for that sentence that would just basically say that, but i feel like you don't necessarily need t i think it would help to make it extra clear but without tithink it's logical that the rest of the policy applies regardless and the policy follows the sf police officer. okay thank you. >> commissioner truman. >> one of the things they was struck by is reading criteria of the things that an officer must weigh and pretty much in a matter of seconds some of these may come upon you. i am

looking specifically at roman numeral 42a and the listing there. are we anticipating -- are we training scenarios or something like this for officers to help hone these skills? this is a lot of information to take in and to weigh and to make almost a split second decision on every once in a while. how are we planning i guess drilling down with officers so they make the best decision possible? >> the code requires that every peace officer in the state of california that can potentially get into a vehicle pursuit must be trained every year on their policy. we comply with that law, so every year our officers are trained by given our policy by the supervisor and it's reviewed. every two years you are sent to the san francisco

police academy for san francisco police officers for state recertification. at that point you are sent to our driving stimulator. again you're given that policy. the chief's foresight he sent me and the emergency operations crew which is evoc out to the stations and teaching at the district level these policies so we are doing our very best to constantly keep this in the minds of the officers as to what the policy is. we have a two day refresher course if you have been out of patrol for more than six months and returning they are required to come to us. we go through the entire policy and physically getting behind the wheel in stimulated pursuits and we invite you to come out so you can see our program.

>> very thorough exercise. thank you. >> commissioner loftus. >> yes. just last point on this. when you say they're trained every year are they trained at line up like i saw or is that an extra train something. >> it would be tratraining. they have to be given the general order and a supervisor would go over the policies. >> that counts as their every year training? supervisor going over the travel pages with them individually. >> yes. >> okay. i want to say because there is are two sides of a coin and this commission holds the officers to doing that and the general orders and our expectation is officers follow this and given how complex it is and this is an example how difficult a job it is and how hard it would be at any given moment to be responsible for this and i echo what the

colleagues say and the chief and we're providing every opportunity and training and every support and they're the ones making the real time decisions and this is a lot. it takes into what -- we haven't covered that but i want to support the chief's efforts in training folks and we have to do that if we hold them accountable. >> commissioner truman. >> any comments? >> the occ policy. >> thank you. i want to under score a few things because this say document we have all worked on for several years and the commission was asking what are some of the fundamental changes and in ways that i think the department might not emphasize some of those changes because in part ultimately we all feel proud of it being a clearer document and including much

more mandatory language and i wanted to highlight on page three the definition of a pursuit or when it's authorized it looks at -- there needs to be -- there is a subspigz of violent felony so it's narrowing the incidents that would give rise to a pursuit so the individual expected of a violent felony and the person apprehended is oppose a risk to the public and if you look at the 1997 policy versus this there is much more clarity to what nature would give rise to a pursuit and i want to under score some of the policies from the 1997 policy we wanted to make sure that the control is placed in the hands of the supervisor who is not at the scene and making those decisions so in the old policy there was certain provisions where the language was should and we advocated strongly that the language be "shall" and it's

clear for instance when a unit can join a pursuit and we know they're one of the most dangerous activities of the police department and certainly to the officers themselves and the public, but also when there are multiple units the chance of accidents rises phenomenally so to make sure it's the pursuit supervisor that is limiting the number of units and again this policy does provide those limitations so in that regard we were happy to have the discussions with the department and ultimately came to those kinds of agreements so we endorse the policy and glad it's before you now. >> ms. marion and to that point violent felony is a legal term and defined in the penal code and i think this is the section but don't check. there is a distinction between the officers and new officers you would

think assault with a deadly weapon and it's not a violent felony and i hope when we make those changes that is part of the training and set them up for success and oftentimes whether something is a grand theft from a person or a robbery and the decision the da might make and we know what that is and i think that can be quite confusing. >> thank you. chief maybe you can explain what percentage -- i know i talked to the officer assigned to us tonight from southern station and said he had a surpiewt recently and it was called off. how often do the supervisors call off the chases? >>i think it's important to make the distinction. i appreciate the comments. the decision to in fact the pursuit and the real time decisions, split second

decisions, those are made by the officers. it's a monitoring of the pursuit that is made by the supervisor and depending on the rank of the supervisor it's starts with a sergeant but oftentimes whoever comes on the air is the senior ranking officer responsible for the pursuit. i wouldn't know the percentage but i hear pursuits canceled all the time in progress so i think it's important to make that point also that this is a clarifying order. the sergeants -- supervisors have always been required to monitor pursuits and who goes in and who goes out and it is the officers -- it's kind of funny we're talking about -- this is actually a long general order. it's about 12 pages but there is a binder 2 inches thick of the general orders that these officers that do a great job everyday are responsible to and they come upon the incidents and respond for calls of service and they have to decide in real

time and certainly since the advent of columbine and the officers waited now whenever there is on going or serious injury or loss of life the officers don't wait. they have to go in and figure it out and god bless that we have great supervisors that take charge of the scene and the officers are making split second decisions and i have to commend the sergeant because when it comes to trainers he sets the bar pretty high and maintains a standard few can but he does and tocey yokimono was there and all 30 copies and like you dr. marshall i like to see them but it was dizzy looking and this is consistent and the officers do a great job with

all the general orders. >> all right. thank you. any public comment? we're not voting on it tonight but at the community meet ing but we wanted to do that before that. >> i think the chief brought up. this is 12 pages. is this thing on or not? it's difficult for a police officer in pursuit to actually use this unless he memorized it seven days a week. two, i have driven police cruisers as a taxi driver and they wouldn't accelerate to 150, 160 miles per hour but you can cars that police can't follow with a cruiser. even if it's a toyota camry

and if it gets on the highway and there is no recourse and it's not i think you should have orders two, three pages deep and the officer can memorize it and do the job. i don't see him doing this. it's convoluted and check with the supervisor non step and cut off any given time based on the incident and i think that's a major problem and it comes back to even your -- why the chief is here and mr. mansiewko -- >> you're confusing. >> i'm bringing up to this incident and you're talking about training on the job and

this has to be reviewed every two years and the tax and officer has to use proper protocol and if he doesn't he leaves it on the desk and go about doing his job the way he sees best because you have too many rules for him to use immediately and that is a problem and i have seen police in pursuit of suspects in this city probably 30 to 40 times. no police cruiser in this city can out maneuver a lot of cars on the street today. they may do it on the highway but you can call the highway patrol but you don't have a speed limit here and the police automatically the guy is at 140. we're at 110. we have to stop. that's not even in here so i leave this for you review. i thank you for your time on this issue. >> thank you. any further public comment? with reference to what he talked about i

didn't say the police officers weren't doing that and i think they were doing it more and risking their lives and i think you got that confused and you should look at the new cars too. >> and i want to assure the public that 140 miles per hours are routinely canceled. >> any further public comment? seeing none public comment is closed. please call the next item. >> next item is whether to have closed session and vote whether to have closed session. >> any public comment on this item? seeing none public comment is closed. next item. >> vote on whether to go to closed session and attorney-client privilege regarding to item 8(a), (b), and (c) section 67.10. >> do we have a have a quorum.

commissioner chang, truman and kingsley and loftus. >> president mazzucco. >> we're back on the record. do i have a motion with reference to disclosure or not disclosure. >> move to not disclose. >> all in favor. >> aye. >> please call the last item. >> item 10 is adjourn mentd. >> do i have a motion? >> move to adjourn. >> move to adjourn? >> aye. >> thank you everybody.

>> you're watching quick bites, the show that is san francisco. and today you're in for a real treat. oh, my! food inspired by the mediterranean and middle east with a twist so unique you can

only find it in one place in san francisco. we're at the 55th annual armenian festival and bizarre. this is extra special not only because i happen to be armenian, but there is so much delicious food here. and i can't wait to share it with all of you. let's go. armenia, culture and cusine has had much cultural exchanges with its neighbors. today armenian food infuses he flavor from the mediterranean, middle east, and eastern europe. >> this is our 55th year and in san francisco we're the largest armenian food festival and widely recognized as one of the best food festivals in the area. we have vendors that come up from fresno, from los angeles showing off their craft. we really feel like we have something for everyone in the neighborhood and that's really what it is, is drawing people to see a little bit of our culture and experience what we experience weekend in and weekend out. >> we are behind the scenes now

watching the chef at work preparing some delicious armenian kabob. this is a staple in armenian cooking, is that right? >> absolutely, since the beginning of time. our soldiers used to skewer it on the swords. we have a combination of beef and lam and parsley. and every september over 2000 pounds of meat being cooked in three days. >> after all that savory protein, i was ready to check out the fresh veggie options. >> this is armenian cheat sheet. it's tomatos and mint and olive oil. that makes summer food. and what i'm doing is i'm putting some nutmeg. it is kind of like cream cheese. in armenia when they offer you food, you have to eat it. they would welcome you and food is very important for them.

>> in every armenian community we feel like we're a "smallville"age and they come together to put on something like this. what i find really interesting about san francisco is the blends of armenia that come together. once they are here, the way people work together at any age, including our grandmothers, our grandfathers, skewering the meat, it's fun to see. fun to see everybody get together. >> we call it subarek. it's a cheese turn over if you want. we make the dough from scratch. we boil it like you do for la san i can't. >> the amount of love and karin fused in these foods is tremendous. they come in every day to prepare, cook and bake bread, all in preparation for this big festival. >> nobody says no. when you come them, they have to come tomorrow for the feast. >> what a treat it is to taste a delicious recipe, all made from scratch and passed down through generations. it really makes you appreciate the little things. >> it's one of the best

festivals. it's outstanding, a marvelous occasion. >> we're outside checking some of the food to go options. i grabbed myself a ka bob sandwich, all kinds of herbs and spices. i'm going to taste this. looking fantastic. one of the best i've had in a long time. you know it's delicious b i have just enough room for dessert, my favorite part. we're behind the scenes right now watching how all the pastries get made. and we've got a whole array of pastries here. honey and nuts and cinnamon, all kinds of great ingredients. this is amazing. here's another yummy pastry made with filo dough. oh, my god. really sweet and similar, it's lighter. this is what i like.

we have a lovely row here. looks like a very delicious and exciting surprise. i'm going to bite into it. here we go. um. this is great with armenian coffee. now we're making some incredible armenian coffee. >> we buy our coffee, they have the best coffee. they come from armenia, specially made. and would you like to try it? >> i would like to try. >> would you like sugar or no sugar? >> no sugar today. i'm so excited. really earthy. you can really taste the grain. i think that's what makes it so special. really comes out. i hope you try it.

we're having a great time at the armenian festival. we ate, we saw, and we definitely conquered. i don't know about you, but i have to go down to the food. check out our blog for so much more at sf bites at tums abler.com. until next time, may the force be with you. ♪ ♪ >> first of all, everybody is welcome and we ask two things when they get here. one, that they try something they've never tried before. be it food or be it dancing or doing something. and if they feel like it was worth their while to tell one person and bring that person, that family member, that friend down the street to come with them. >> we're going to have to do a lot of eating so get ready. >> get ready. and you diet tomorrow.

>> calling the commissioner woo ho. >> bra don. >> atd ams. >> katz. >> murphy. >> here. >> item two, approval of aminutes for the may 14, 2013. >> second e >> all if in favor. >> item three, public comment sxexive session. >> okay, item four executive