>> do you want to commit on that? >> no, i think the way the legislation is written and, correct me if i am wrong, it enables that kind of neglect to bring people in if there are projects under their productive or things like that. >> could you point out where that is? >> i might be wrong about that.

>> i don't remember seeing where that is. >> i guess it doesn't say that explicitly. i think it would be fine to say that other agencies on a case by case basis that would be helpful so let's give some thought that that that >> that would be great. >> the other group that christen mentioned is the planning for streetscape planning group. they're meeting on a quarterly basis sort of a staff capital basis. we include the sfmta it's a funding agency so when we're

making those decision about capital improvements they're certainly involved 23 at that level of discussion >> i'm having a hard time distinguishing. i know when our office has to include the little si gone tenderloin we could be that i have not worked on some of the smaller alleys or projects like this. in our office experience we've worked closely with the mta when we do street improvements. i just texted one of my aids to ask for the appropriate projects. the agencies that are involved should are invited. okay. thank you. for that presentation.

>> next i want to ask the fire department to come up and speak. i believe our deputy chief of operation are here. chief harvey and chief gonzales >> thank you chief harvey will be doing most of the presentation. thank you >> supervisors. i think the fire department agrees we don't want people run over in the street. the needs and operations of department are important. i've been involved in a lot of those meetings. we have a problem trying to bridge the gap of pedestrian safety and what does not limit

our fire department assess especially ambulances. we have a timeframe we want to stay with. we have only fourteen feet of

- paint or whatever method without having something block it that makes it easier for our department to support. depending on what is around there and we get a lot of complaints from the public too. we had one recently out by the cliff house beand that's okay. on both sides of the street we had enough room to get around. and another restaurants or two

out there. so on a case by case we can look at things but we're probably more conserve than your goals you'd like to meet >> we do respond to those incidents. also our iron time in getting to other emergencies i can respect that. we would like to be part of that not on the consciousness the corners are the big things for us we have to get our trucks in there and we're concerned about your overall response time >> and the fire department is part of the tree street design

review. >> thank you and i certainty appreciate the concerns. he think you have is a job to do and we certainly want to make sure we're responsive to the operational need. we're making sure we have some no one wants to not have enough assess space. we're not talking about there being no consideration to have a project work. we're talking about 14 feet with 6 inches on the side and i would love to have an opportunity to get our feedback to how this works. if there are things to be changed there's neglect there.

i'd like to avoid if this way it's not going to happen. i understand at any time easier for departments to continue the way they do things by the city is an urban setting and we have to be adopt active. we want to make sure you guys are part of that discussion >> and maybe supervisor chu can attest to what you like a 6 in which bike lane. i'm not sure if that's the highest the safety. but it's again, all up for discussion. we care about the citizens safety and the pedestrian safety as well >> thank you very much. when we have - chief harvey

>> next i'd like to - and i want to note that the department of public works and mta are here to answer any questions that may come up. next i want to ask pat to come up. he's done a lot on street issues and i want him to speak on that topic >> i'd be glad to. i'm a principle and shareholder. i should say i'm here today as a san francisco resident and also starting in 2008 i began leading a national consensus effort

between firefighters and ambulance drivers and street designers like myself.

>> seattle has students are parking on both sides were 11 feet of clearance. and in san francisco many of us live on the streets with 10 feet of clear width. so there are a couple of things that are important it needs to be a collaborative effort to design individual projects and

second there are major traffic safety implementations. as you know, we have more than 10 traffic deaths in this country for every fire death and more than a one hundred traffic injuries. and fire department's have to respond to all of those. and in doing that we really need to take a look at the except that the departments are using. if necessary the fire department can respond in areas like the heights but it may be that the department in future years in the purchase cycle can get better equipment. different fire trucks and engines have very different

things. finally i say the resolution being proposed to change the fire code is an important initiative. we have many jurisdiction in california that we need to be working on together. thank you very much. >> i had two questions. first, you had said it other cities have adopted more narrower wieths. were there any complications for the response times for emergency vehicles that we've seen >> the answer is no in short. there are a couple of things to consider. many of the cities had narrow for example, portland and

seattle and others. generally when this is done it's been done on general streets. most of the emergency response is on major streets. and the departments travel only a couple of of blocks. for example, mission is 20 feet clearance. so another thing is that on local residential streets at any time generally done on where traffic levels are low. so with less than a thousand vehicles a day and those are streets where you get one car per minute. it's rarely to meet two vehicles in opposite directions

>> i said that our equipment was not the most proper equipment where there are

>> does that make a difference? >> i think generally no. one thing is even the smaller jurisdictions have an obligation to respond on mature aid protocols. so anaheim will respond to smaller jurisdictions. >> thank you. thank you supervisor kim. any other questions colleagues. great thank you very much. next i'd like to ask to come up

elizabeth our cities primary organization. i guess the organization is going to be losing i so congratulations in your new endeavor >> we've heard a lot about will responses needed to people getting hit by cars. and in san francisco roughly a quarter or a fifth of the year of the trauma cases in san francisco are people getting hit by cars. that's a huge amount. we just got the numbers from the police about how many people were admit in 2012 it was 9 hundred and 12.

that is the largest number since the year 2000. so to reduce that number and to reduce all those preventable injuries the mayor realized a strategy. that strategy is fixing the city's most danger streets which are about 44 percent. but too often to fix those streets takes too long. f the bartlett project like broadway and second street even the bigger projects we often see get little bound bit by bit before people go out to communities meetings and finally see s a good plan go into the

black box and those agencies have a lot of codes and potentially those are not one fits all. and then at the end a plan comes out that has suffered a death by a thousand cuts and it's not a good plan anymore and the public hadn't had any recourse on the decisions. so the most important decisions like wider sidewalks are often the first to go because their expensive they maybe perceived as complicated like water pipes and sewer connections and nobody

is there to speak up for the goal which is people getting run over. so the san francisco city likes this legislation. we see it as an opportunity to remind ourselves of the priority to reduce the crazy number of 9 hundred and 64 people getting hit every year. and for the people who bike and use the muni everyday. we hope this will help the city prioriti prioritize and deliver on that process >> 15 before we open up to the

public comment the legislation we hope - we have a letter. do you have is a letter you'd like to read? >> good afternoon supervisors. i've been on the pedestrian safety advisory committee and initially appointed by supervisor campos and representing the 8 12krirg9. the committee unanimously endorsed the legislation. we urge the communication and calculation between the public works and multiple transportation and planning. they support the proposed ordinance amendment the san francisco ordinance code and in addition the establishment of a street design committee and ordinance to fire code.

we appreciate supervisor campos excuse me. presenting to our committee on april 9th and to follow up on our request that the design committee be implemented and the idea to steal the efforts. this exact leadership - they welcome the opportunity to work with the board of supervisors to make the streets of san francisco safer >> thank you, colleagues if there's no additional comments we'll open up to the public. i do have public comment cards if you'd like to speak on the items 1 though 5 i will call those names. and public comment will be two

minutes. (calling names) and those are the cards i have >> thank you supervisors and thank you supervisor wiener for pushing this important legislation. i want to thank supervisor kim and a chu as well as campos for the great amount of attendance you've put toward pedestrian safety. it's very heartening to me to see those issues. i think some of the issues that

have - i'm glad to see those being pushed forward and i support what's being done here >> thank you. next speaker, please >> good afternoon supervisor wiener and campos. i'm the nutrition educator. i have 3 points that i am really excited about. working with the mission has been amazing. it's bring back a lot. first, it creates a safe place for people to assess fresh

produce. we work with a lot of folks who are ada eligible. .2 that provides an avenue to help folks engage in healthy habit. and it's in the bartlett corridor. it was not a safe place grouping up but is now. and lastly it brings back community and cultural. it is the biggest and most important part is giving back the cultural back to our friends and families. i think this is really important. in conclusion i'm in support of

this it will create save streets and provided essential services >> thank you very much. >> next speaker >> good afternoon. i'm a long time mission resident and i'm the the committee of admission market. supervisor campos didn't get an opportunity to mention the center for the arts. i'm become involved with this project because it's important that our neighborhood be safe. that we come total as a neighborhood. public safety is very important. i've had an unfortunate opportunity to wit a shooting at about 6 o'clock. part of the problem is that the

shooter was able to hide behind several cars. and i thought that is an example if we made that a more pedestrian friendly neighborhood friendly well lit and well uses street, there probably wouldn't have been an incident like this. i have a teenager and i've seen wonderful changes because of the merry can do. i know that supervisor campos gets it and i want to thank you, very much. on our on behalf of in speaking to the importance of this project. thank you >> thank you very much. >> next speaker >> good afternoon i'll keep this brief. i'm here to support the package

of the safety improvements. it boils down to we want to create more trust between the public and the committees. and that's all >> thank you. >> good afternoon supervisors tom with liveable city. i'm here to speak in favor of this package. back in 2005 we had the complete street ordinance. we should be coordinating. on the streets you should be doing all the improvements. i'm appalled to see that has rarely ever happened. one of the major standards in the better streets plan we should do - but we see in our

neighborhoods on 8th street we've seen those curb cuts. so there's an opportunity to make those streets much safer for pedestrians and that's not having so that cooperation needs to happen. if you don't build these together with your wasting the taxpayers' money. and another thing is the safety. a lot of people are killed on city streets. and if you turn streets into fear people change their travel behavior. people that cut off from transit and the things they need. we subtle need to get our arms

around that. and the fire safety those trucks are enormous but this allows that