boom, i don't think it's safe that saying we have a growing economy is enough to address the issue of -- we have a situation where many people in this city, and i see it in my district every day, are no longer able to afford to live in san francisco. we see it in the castro. we see it in district 8 where you have many members of that community, including members of the queer community of the lgbt community, are no longer able to live in san francisco. many of them who are living with hiv and aids. in my district, you have many families of all colors, but many families that can no longer afford to stay in the mission. and while it's important for us to address this issue and deal with the condo conversion proposal that's before us, i don't think that we're doing enough to really deal with the fundamental question of who gets to live in san francisco. and, so, my hope is that

irrespective of how this vote goes, that we finally take on this issue as a city. and i'm really glad that the tenants are involved in this, in this effort because we need that involvement to really take that issue head on. and i also believe that many in the real estate industry do want to have a san francisco that remains diverse, do want to work with us, and maybe this is an opportunity for us to come together as a city to talk about that issue. but when you have a situation where 97 year olds are being subjected to the ellis act, we have a crisis in san francisco. so, if you have a crisis, you have to respond to it like it is a crisis. i don't think we're there yet, and i hope that this is the beginning of that discussion because this is only a preferal

issue and a much substantive discussion that needs to happen and it needs to happen soon. >> thank you. (applause) >> supervisor cohen. supervisor cohen. >> thank you. i wanted to also give voice to this issue, but maybe from a different perspective. we think about the african-american community, many of whom were born and raised here in san francisco, and struggle and we certainly see the statistics. we're talking about a community that was a little over 40% 30 years ago and now are down to 4%. we're talking about not just members of the lgbt community, but significant number of seniors that are not able to grow old in the place that they call home in their community, in their building around their friends and family.

we're talking about communities where now members are isolated because they -- if you're a member in communities of color particularly, oftentimes relegated to public housing. and we have been watching the news lately and we've been watching what's been happening with the housing authority. and in this discussion, i think one thing that is missing, we talked specifically about condo conversion but we haven't talked about how it relates to our brothers and sisters that live in public housing because it's a continuous cycle. and when we're talking about the affordability crisis, we need to make sure that we are paying attention to those that are in public housing. now, one of the thing that is most attractive is the fact that -- about this legislation is the fact that there is an opportunity for a significant amount of money to go towards public housing and those

amendments were made by supervisor yee. thank you. and woulder talking about 75% of an undisclosed amount of money but usually a conservative number thrown out is $20 million. 75% of $20 million is a good chunk of change unfortunately doesn't get us out of the woods, some of the challenges we're dealing with the housing authority. ~ but it's a step in the right direction and i'm someone that's representing four of the city's largest public housing units in this city. supervisor campos talked about we as a board taking on this issue, and i agree, we definitely need to talk about the affordability of living in san francisco because we speak from a place of fear. we don't want san francisco to become a bedroom community. we don't want to have a -- create a city where only the wealthy can afford to live. well, the fact is that a lot of our projects that we are approving, you have to be

pretty wealthy and supervisor kim went down the statistic of how much you actually have to earn in order to live inside san francisco. when we come to the table to discuss this, we need to do it a little bit differently than how we did with tenants and property owners. and we need to put down these turf wars in this position and really come with the express goal of how to address our housing, our housing crisis. this is actually something that we've been discussing for many years. certainly in the african-american community. now, there are three key factors that really factor into my decision today. first, i'm looking to provide support, relief, if you will, to tic current owners. the interest rate that they're paying on their mortgages, very

burdensome. almost like the industry created this and then created the tic industry, little niche market and then created a special loan package for them and there are few banks that offer loans for tic owners. and i believe they're in a difficult position. the second issue that's important to me is that we definitely need some structural reform to the lottery system. i think the legislation begins to extrapolate and pull out the discussion that needs to happen around this. and one of the third and final issue is when we think about the constituency that i represent, largely working class community, i'm looking at an area that is not -- doesn't have a significant tic ownership, but we have significant housing challenges. and as i mentioned particularly in public housing, thea

challenges are severe. ~ these challenges are severe. in terms of priority when you have a crisis, you have a triage, right, supervisor campos? so, for me, public housing is a number one priority. how do we begin to offer relief? well, this legislation helps show the pathway for me that i can see that will create a pool of money and the trust that would help direct some funds to revitalize, revitalize housing. in terms of the proposed amendment for the poison pill language, i think that it strikes an interesting balance. i don't know if it's the right balance or the wrong balance, but it's certainly one -- an interesting one that allows nontenant occupied units to continue to convert. i am intrigued by the tacking issue because one of the thing

we think about, when we think about the future and how the impact of any legislation is going to have on the future, i think about what if someone were to die in their unit, how do we begin to solve that problem? whether loan alone or whether they stay in place. i'm commit today working on this issue. if we don't get it right, we can come back to the table and move this agenda forward. that's my commitment to making sure san francisco is affordable 230er everyone. thank you. >> supervisor campos. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chair. and i appreciate the comments from supervisor cohen. i'm still not sure as to sort of the point around public housing. i mean, i think that the issue of public housing is a much larger issue and i have three developments in my district which is why i think it was good that we called for a management audit of that agency and there will be a hearing, as you know, the committee that you chair on thursday.

i don't think, though, that public housing is in the state of crisis that it is because somehow we have failed to allow more condo conversions. i don't think that's the reason. and i actually think there's a larger issue there. my point, though, is that the issue of condo conversions is a small issue, an important one, but it's a small issue and a larger issue of the affordability of the city. and i actually think public housing is an important piece of that. but there is a lot more -- a lot more that needs to be done. and one of the things that i hope happens is actually one of the things that is recommended in the context of public housing, which is greater involvement by this board of supervisors because that's been one of the problems with public housing, that we haven't had enough involvement by the entirety of the city elected family. so, i think that we have an

opportunity with public housing to do precisely that, to tackle that issue head on, not only through this hearing, but through all the work that the mayor's office is doing. i do think, though, that once this debate is completed around condo conversion, that we need to move on to a much larger issue that goes to the core of who we are as a city and who gets to continue to live in san francisco. and there is no easy answer to that, and it's going to require all of us working together to get to that point. >> supervisor wiener. >> thank you, mr. chairman. president chiu, and i appreciate the comments, through the chair, about not necessarily being categorically opposed to the tacking, but not liking the provision that a transfer could happen no more frequently than once every three years. and, you know, i've said in various conversations with some

of the tenant advocates as well as publicly in hearings, there's nothing magical about this particular formulation. there are various forms that it could take. and i hoped that we would be able to negotiate on the tacking issue and come up with a consensus. and as i mentioned before, it would be no more frequently than once every four years or five years. it could be only one transfer per unit. there are various ways to approach it that would i think be fair and i think the issue that some of the objections have raised. so, i just wanted to put that out there, that it doesn't have to be in this current form. we can certainly put it in an amended form. and this is, for the record in item 37 section 1396 subsection g. so, i would put that out there. if there is another form, that

that would be acceptable. >> supervisor cohen. >> thank you very much. i just wanted to clarify some things to supervisor campos through the chair. i understand that the issue that we're talking about here is about tic and condo conversion. my point is that what we're talking about in the context of housing period, that we do need to give voice and consider it and move it forward. wasn't specifically targeting it that. but also there are amendments that are offered that would allow 75% of what is -- could be monies that are brought in through the bypass fee that is directly allocated for the housing authority. so, that is the reason why i brought in the discussion of the housing authority. thank you. >> thank you, colleagues. are there any other comments on the amendments or the ordinance? supervisor avalanche owes. ~

supervisor avalos. >> thank you, i'll be short. just wanted to appreciate president chiu and supervisor yee and supervisor kim for your work on this. i also had major concerns about the legislation after it first was introduced. three years ago there was legislation that was before the budget committee at that time that was trying to bring in revenue for the budget year that would be based on the condo fee. and i just didn't think that was a really worthwhile way to move forward on trying to get revenue. and, so, i was opposed to the fee at that time. i still am unless we have some way that we can preserve rental housing in the city. and i see that without a protection against future buildings being converted, rental housing stock being converted to tics, that we would open the flood gates by allowing conversion to happen. that was my position why i

opposed and why i was opposed to the original version of this legislation. but i do want to just thank president chiu for taking a position on this and getting this work done, and i'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. >> thank you. seeing no other comments, madam clerk, we have two amendments before us. let's handle them in the order they were presented. so, on the chiu amendment, can we have a roll call? >> mr. chair, just for clarity. on supervisor breed's two item, you are amending items 29 and 37, is that correct? [speaker not understood]? >> so, that's amending items 29 and 37 for the breed amendment and for the chiu amendments it's amending item 29. is that correct? >> that's correct, mr. chair. >> so, can we have a roll call on the chiu amendment -- >> mr. chair, we have a motion made by president chiu, but we need a second for that and also a second for supervisor

breed's. >> supervisor yee seconds the motion. >> so moved. >> so, roll call on the chiu amendments. >> and for supervisor breed, supervisor wiener? >> supervisor wiener. >> great. >> madam clerk, roll call on the chiu amendment. >> supervisor kim? kim aye. supervisor mar? mar aye. supervisor tang? tang no. supervisor wiener? wiener no. supervisor yee? yee aye. supervisor avalos? avalos aye. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos aye. supervisor chiu? chiu aye. supervisor cohen? cohen aye. supervisor farrell? farrell no. there are 8 ayes and 3 no's. >> thank you, the motion carries. [gavel] (applause) >> madam clerk, roll call on the breed amendments to items 29 and 37. >> supervisor kim? kim no. supervisor mar?

mar no. supervisor tang? tang aye. supervisor wiener? wiener aye. supervisor yee? yee no. supervisor avalos? avalos no. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos no. supervisor chiu? chiu no. supervisor cohen? cohen aye. supervisor farrell? farrell aye. there are 5 ayes and 6 no's. >> thank you, so the motion fails. [gavel] >> madam clerk, now on the main item number 29, roll call. >> on item 29 as amended, supervisor kim? kim aye. supervisor mar? mar aye. supervisor tang? tang no. supervisor wiener? wiener no. supervisor yee? yee aye. supervisor avalos? avalos aye. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos aye. supervisor chiu? chiu aye. supervisor cohen? cohen aye. supervisor farrell? farrell no.

there are 8 ayes and 3 no's. (applause) >> the item carries. [gavel] >> madam clerk, we have item number 37. so roll call on item 37. >> on item 37, supervisor kim? kim no. supervisor mar? mar no. supervisor tang? tang aye. supervisor wiener? wiener aye. supervisor yee? yee no. supervisor avalos? avalos no. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos no. supervisor chiu? chiu no. supervisor cohen? cohen no. supervisor farrell? farrell aye. there are 4 ayes and 7 no's. >> ordinance fails. [gavel] >> thank you, colleagues. why don't we proceed to our remaining items, if we could go to our adoption calendar item 38 through 34. are there any item people would like to sever, let me suggest severing -- if i could ask

members of the public if you could leave quietly we still have business in front of the boers. ~ board. if we could sever item 41 and take a roll call vote on the balance -- oh, supervisor breed? >> yes, i want to sever item 38. >> item 38, okay. on the balance of the adoption calendar, madam clerk, roll call. >> supervisor kim? >> aye. i also added my name to item number 39. >> kim aye. we'll make a note of that. >> thank you. >> supervisor mar? mar aye. supervisor tang? tang aye. supervisor wiener? wiener aye. supervisor yee? yee aye. supervisor avalos? avalos aye. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos aye. supervisor chiu? chiu aye. supervisor cohen? cohen aye. supervisor farrell?

supervisor farrell? farrell aye. there are 11 ayes. >> the resolutions are a doddthved. colleagues, why don't we tab item 31 first. could we have, madam clerk, could you call item 31? >> certainly. item 41 is resolution did he nating supervisor mark farrell as the league of california cities voting delegate, and treasurer-tax collector jose cisneros as the league of california cities alternate voting delegate. >> colleagues, can we have a motion to excuse supervisor farrell, motion by supervisor campos, seconded by supervisor kim without objection, he should be excused. and why don't we take a roll call vote on item 41. >> item 41, supervisor kim? kim aye. supervisor mar? mar aye. supervisor tang? tang aye. supervisor wiener? wiener aye. supervisor yee? yee aye. supervisor avalos? avalos aye. supervisor breed? breed aye. supervisor campos? campos aye. supervisor chiu? chiu aye. supervisor cohen? supervisor cohen? cohen aye. there are 10 ayes. >> the resolution is adopted.

[gavel] >> and let's take the remaining item, item 38. >> item 38 is a resolution urging the san francisco housing authority commission to move its meetings to city hall, video record its meetings, and make all video recordings publicly accessible on its website. >> any discussion? supervisor breed. >> thank you. i wanted to have a discussion about this issue because i have a real problem with a lot of the language in the resolution. there are a number of inaccuracies and my biggest concern is that we are faced with significant challenges in public housing. and to begin to piecemeal various parts of the report and introduce -- even though this is not something that we're mandating or forcing the housing authority to do, we're just urging them to move their meetings here. the challenge is during the time that they are proposing to meet, there are issues with the availability of rooms. the other issue that i have with the details of the

resolution, as i said, are some of the inaccuracies. for example, the whereas clause that six of the seven members of the san francisco housing authority commission resigned and that's actually not true because there were some terms that have been expired. and i know this is all technical, but out of the desire to just look at a report, introduce legislation without looking at housing authority and the bigger picture and the whole picture and addressing those issues appropriately, i have some concerns. i also have concerns with the amount of money it's potentially going to cost. and right now i'm looking at trying to locate money to deal with very real issues in public housing. specifically pest and mice issues that many of the residents are facing. so, i just think that when we look at public housing, especially the fact that not only do i have a significant number of public housing developments in my district,

but more importantly, my direct involvement with many of those residents and the concerns that they have brought to my attention. i have real concerns with introducing any housing authority legislation urging or binding or what have you without making sure that it is accurate, that it is serving the tenants in a positive way, that it is not continuously wasting resources, especially when we talk about in the resolution specifically that the housing authority potentially is imminently expected to run out of cash and then this is another vehicle for additional money to be spent for this purpose. so, i want to see real solutions, long-term solutions and not bandaids with regards to public housing. we've come a long way, especially with the audits that the board of supervisors proposed. we've come a long way with the fact that the mayor is really

interested in addressing housing authority differently than before. some of the recommendations have been really great recommendations, but i'd like to see us do a better job as a board in looking at the whole picture and not out of, you know, just a desire to do something, introduce legislation. so, i just wanted to express that i have real concerns with the inaccuracies of this resolution as well as the way that thing were done with regard to this resolution, especially having so many public housing developments in my district. thank you. >> supervisor campos. >> thank you, mr. president. you know, normally when a colleague offers those kinds of concerns, they would actually give you the courtesy of talking to you about it before, you know, the hearing. so, it's the first time that i hear that supervisor breed has a concern with some of the specifics in the resolution. the term resigning was actually referenced to how the mayor's office has reported this.

so, if there is any inaccuracy, i'm happy to amend that right now. normally i would continue an item like this so that, as a courtesy to the supervisor, but i actually think that it's really important for us to be on the record on whether or not the housing authority commission meetings should be televised. supervisor breed has a problem with that, she can vote against it. i'll tell you why it's important, because what we're talking about is an agency that right now is not open or transparent and how it's actually reforming itself. and the reason why this action is important at the very outset of this process of reforming this agency is because i believe that whatever reforms are taking place, they should be made out in the open. that cannot happen unless they actually begin to have their meetings in city hall and those meeting are televised. the reason why it's important for us to take this action now and be on record today on

whether or not to televise those meetings is because decisions are being made about the future of the agency today that are not being open and transparent. i have residents atal main i, i have residents at bernal dwellings that don't know what positions are being made by this agency. and having meeting televised, you're giving them the opportunity to know what actions are being taken. ~ in terms of money, the 30, 40, $50,000 it's going to cost to televise this agency, that is money that in the end is going to pay for itself. this is an agency that has a budget of $210 million. an agency cannot be accountable, cannot be accountable to the people that it serves, if it's actually not transparent in how it does business. you know, we had a report from the budget and legislative analyst that basically made it clear that even within minutes it was difficult to get them.

so, if supervisor breed is against the idea of televising these meetings, then she can vote against it today. i ask for a vote on the merits today. >> colleagues, i just want to clarify from the perspective of procedural, this is on the adoption of our committee reference calendar. so, our options are we were either need a unanimous vote for adoption today if it's not unanimous, then it's not adopted. or any supervisor could ask for the resolution to go to committee and that is not debatable. we can vote for this to have a week and have a substantive discussion next week. i want to leave those out as the options and i know that there are a quip l folks on the roster. so, i'd like to acknowledge folks which they were on the roster. supervisor breed, i think you were already acknowledged. supervisor cohen. ~ >> thank you very much. i want to think a little about this. we actually took a vote and it was a unanimous vote last year. supervisor breed wasn't on this committee, but we as a body did unanimously support a resolution brought to us by our

colleague supervisor olague saying that the housing authority meeting should be televised. i don't think that there is any discrepancy in that as this body is concerned. granted it is a new body. when i'm listening to supervisor breed, what i'm hearing not so much she's saying she wants to be an obstacle in preventing these -- this from being televised and wants transparency. i think it's quite the opposite. i think she absolutely wants the transparency. and if memory serves me correctly, part of the reason that the housing authority was unable at that time to televise their hearings was a space -- there wasn't adequate space here inside city hall. the clerk of the board did work to try to find that. i would love to recommit, supervisor campos, we're going to be dealing with this issue in gao. certainly we can talk about it there.

also want to acknowledge that i've talked to the budget analyst as well as the department of the chair, barbara smith, as well as the president of the new housing authority joaquin torres. all three of us are in agreement, you're absolutely right, it should be and i would even venture to say it will be. beer going to find a way to make this happen this is absolutely creditedthctiontion, we need to shine the light on what's happening when these decisions are made. ~ we're. i would say we need to go a step further and add the fire commission to that. thank you. >> supervisor campos. >> i'm pretty aware of the procedural consequences of voting on this and votes not being unanimous. i think it is appropriate for us to be on record. i think if people like the idea they should vote for it. if they don't, they should vote against it. i think that it's important to do it tonight. >> okay. so, again, the options to the board, any supervisor can ask

for this to go to committee. otherwise it does require a unanimous vote for adoption today. or there could be a motion to continue. i leave it in the hands of the board. supervisor cohen. >> thank you very much. i just wanted to clarify my statement. it was october 12 -- it was october in 2012 that we made that vote. >> supervisor breed. >> thank you. i'd like to see this item go to committee. >> okay. to committee it will go. [gavel] >> excuse me, mr. president. i wanted to make another comment. >> supervisor campos. >> i just want to be on the record saying that i think it's a mistake for this board not to be on the record officially today as this body being on record that this agency should be televising its meetings right away. the fact that we actually even have to talk about that to me is something that is a huge mistake and i think it's a disservice to the tenants of these housing developments. thank you.

>> mr. president, may i just add that when you [gavel] down, the item is no longer before the board. >> so, again, under our rules, any supervisor may require that a resolution can go to committee. that is nondebatable. this will go to committee. so, with that, madam clerk, is there any more business in front of the board? >> yes, mr. president. today's meeting will be adjourned in memory of the following individuals on behalf of supervisor mar for the late sifu everett lee. and on behalf of supervisor cohen, supervisor kim, and supervisor breed for the late mr. david glover. >> all right. with that, ladies and gentlemen, i believe we are adjourned. [gavel] [adjourned]