state has to pass their budget by june 18th they'll make those things go away. has anybody asked in their thinking that when your discussion with the experts has anybody skdz the question will we not have to take the step this year and then we'll get to the second question why do we keep thinking the same way in my opinion >> we have not discussed that as of yet. my comments >> if i can plate. the timing is interesting. and difficult because currently law this action is being put before the board for

consideration based on current law and requirement of current law. the lc s f has not been enacted the bill hadn't been publicly shared so this action has to take place in the in the meantime. i would guess that there are many questions that will ensue including 2 or 3 but many aspects of the implementations for the lc f other restrictive programs that will be fold into. what happens next year a transitional year. when the district and the state are transitioning to the l s f this is technical stuff but what

resource codes should be used for the lc s f that will take the position of the resource codes that exist now. i don't think there's any possibility of that being clear even after the bill is signed or passed by the legislature and signed. i think next year there can't be anything but a transition. and have to use the resource codes and administrative infrastructure and then presumably over the next year or few months there will be clarity about issues like that. but it will be more applicable important the following year >> that's my assumption but i want us to think differently. i - i'd like to have somebody

tell me by next year on the 18 when we have the budget then or ask our folks to help us what will the mechanics be are we to undo this before we adopt the budget. i'm trying to communicate and explore for i move we have to do things differently. so since the l t f f is being gradually phased in overtime do the categorical in the lc f f are they just gone now for 13, fourteen we ousted to understand this fir first

>> my second question a philosophical question. if everybody looks at this this is most difficult for all of us when we see we're still he spending on the categorical the most important thing is the improvement. even though we're still he spending it in the codes essentially i've referred to this as >> instantaneously money what we're using it to try to advance our equity goals to further the historic disempowerment issues. if we took that out and looked at the other categorical pieces that we still seem to be doing

the same things. i think our discussion about the budget has to be different. i understand the fleblth the hammer hanging over us whatnot knowing if it was going to come back. from the accounting point of view but from the problematic point of view i think we're thinking the same way and acting like it's loopholes going to be organize. and instead of saying how this is going to deploy them and it's not categorized. there are a few things that have been my hobby we just did it.

but we act as although we are it appears to me we're planning as although we were going to do them the same way. i just want us to talk differently about the budget and about this and it transition time gives us the opportunity to understand the budget process but to start thinking differently about the resources and how we deploy them >> i want to thank for it level of detail and setting thereby aside. but this begs many, many questions. things like 8 hundred thousands

for p evidence code section grants and $100,000 for gifted education. i don't want to go into it here it sounds like this is all under influx but i urge we agendize the use of those dollars. there are really dozens of questions that are represented in this one spreadsheet. i did not want to go into is it if it changes over the next few weeks but to talk about this as commissioner winn just suggested. i sort of recall last year, we had discussion about this and the following week we voted on it i move no, we had a discussion about it because it had to be approved before the

regular budget was approved; is that correct mr. lee >> yes, that's correct. the hearing action has to take place then the adoption of the annual budget a. and i think what happens last year and - two years ago? and okay >> the second meeting we had to have the meeting adjourned and reconvene the actual meeting. last year there was a hearing scheduled like tonight as the first reading for action are if i recall some of the information that was initially prepared the commissioners had a number of questions and requests for more

clarification and that was priority at that second meeting a week later. like the committee because the commissioners felt like they need more information than what was provided originally one year ago you are about to give that format that was set up is similar to the material you have before you now. so the feedback from last year has been incorporated into the information that you're seeing now in the hopes that this is consistent with what you need to take in addition on this item tonight >> so are those expenditures binding? >> no for discussion for discussion. it's before discussion so we're

starting at this point. and tonight we're being asked to approve and this recommendation to approve the funding described to make candidate - are the expenditures set in stone if we vote on this tonight. can we reallocate some of the funds and change some of the expenditures in this spreadsheet we have before us? >> commissioner are you refer to changes that would take place throughout the year or in the next two weeks or something in between. >> no for clarification i think

that expenditures we see the revenue coming in we see a proposed expenditure and if we have a recommendation on some of the changes on the proposed expenditures are we able to do that after we approve this? if we approve this first without having a thorough discussion i feel w that if it's bind i'm a little bit uncomfortable to make the vote because there's no flexibility to change a recommendation about funding. so that was my in question question if it's bind or not after we approve this we can look at the spreadsheet and make changes i'm comfortable for that. this timeline is putting us in

an awkward situation. i don't know if our prepared to go through it now so i guess the question is to simply is to - is that binding may we change it next week >> can i make a suggestion and then ask the two folks if this would work based on their understanding which is different than mine that were so the concept i think i hear the suggestion president would be to pass though tonight and then maybe based on the augmented

budget if in this discussion it becomes clear that modifications to this aspect of the budget would be in order or intiefrd then i'm wondering if there could be procedurally a separate meeting on the same evening on the 25th but in order to meet the requirement that there be a distinctometer it's scheduled as a special meeting of the board that would allow the modifications to take place. so my questions is is it possible to do that or is there some prohibition as having the meeting on the same day >> no, i don't believe so so long as it's a separate he meeting what we did a few years

ago. we had a meeting and adjourned it and reopened the regular meeting that was fine >> so with that i think we would suggest that you take the action tonight and understand and we understand there's a probability particular next week there could be a modification forgive a special meeting on the 25th and a thank you for that suggestion. i think it's probably a good suggestion i'm in agreement with that. i don't be able to attend the budget discussion how many classes is this going to effect and what are the funds for the k c utilized for those sources?

>> i'll call on some of our academic folks if they can respond to the questions ms. lee. for the grade 9 size reduction. i think i believe it's utilized in all the high schools; right? if you could elaborate on that >> it used to be for ninth grade english and math. historical it was the way in which the district use the resources so to keep the smaller class size in those subject areas for 9th grade >> what about the k cs there

was a lot of money being put so what k c how will it be utilized for the students? >> anyone is there any staff that knows about the california entrance exams. i'm sorry can you speak into the mike for the record >> come in we're losing our - i believe the bulk of that is in the k c department and then some

of it is used for our summer school k c classes. we still do summer testing for seniors and then still need to pass the k c. those are the two things i'm aware of >> then i'm sorry. >> was ms. lee finished. >> and i think i was also going to ask is that this is the perfect example. so if you look at the expenditure without looking at our skews rate of california entrance exam we've not met our targets. it lends ourself to wonder if there's more studying

>> if we wanted to make changes can we make the changes in the budget. my other questions is seems to me if we want to make changes we figure out how much is in one column so all the money that is being flexed or the fund balance money is in the general fund. so the program questions to me would that i would want answered are what are we doing and what

resources are we deploying to i'd the k c issue how is it integrated 0 into the a n g issues. by the way, i think that's an interesting example the k c money we're proposing to do something different in 2014 this and that in 2013. i want to know as a mechanic question and compliance question is for us to be told when we get to that, you know, in my mind i think the only thing we need to vote on to change if we still follow this process if we want to change the fund balance column. so if somebody can gept that clarified before technique.

>> the general fund - the money that's being swept is in the general fund. so if we put those into general uses the general fund goes down. the point is this is someone else's priority. this is the legislature saying here's all the little programs you must spined money on whether or not i think it's important. the whole local control facility is you put the money toward your priorities. there might be a priority that we're addressing but i don't know that meg around with the tier 3 people is going to get us

there. i don't want to get lost in the weeds. but i would like to ask is if board members have speck questions about why are we spending money on this and that let's get to the meeting on tuesday so we know why there's $50 in this column rather than a thousand. the question i want to ask is remember in many cases the categorical format does tell you how to spend it. i'm presuming because we have a higher priority to do something a little bit differently that might not be compliant.

entire - i believe if that would have to be here by the district to resolve >> so commissioner first item i'm taking the place of crying chris because he's with his children. there's one correction to the resolution. which is on page 16 item number one. where it says now therefore the board of education does hereby resolve the order as follows: the board herb electives is

special tax for fiscal years 2013 to 2014. in lieu of 2012, 2013 >> if i don't hear any observation that's what we'll be considering. so >> the subject matter is a resolution of the board of education of the san francisco unified school district elective you didn't go the special tax within the community district number 90 dash r for fiscal year 2013 through 2014 and i might add that is required as a condition of a mellow reduce parcel tax.

>> i it out we were going to be reading all those articles i was watching my farther movie. i apologize for the momentary lapse >> okay. are there any there are no speakers any comments on board? >> no okay roll call please. thank you (calling names) >> okay. thank you very much. you acquitted the gentleman very

well. item m monopoly and item n. item o we're going to vote on the consent calendar that was move forward and seconded on item s. roll call please. thank you (calling names) >> thank you. okay item p is consent calendar severed the only two were severed by me k 40 and 41. i simply wanted to make the point that there's a left leg loophole here. so k 40 was amended $275,000

were amended for the last two weeks of the school when there's no students present. we're now xrauf u approve this expenditure retro actively. there's no way you can see we're having to action. so the board is really trying to - introduced a lot of scrutiny of retro active spending. it bothers me it's easily done and unless you read it carefully you wouldn't know you were voted on a retro active issue.

i'm highlighting this if we can put our heads together so this loophole can be closed this is adviseable. roll call a on 40 and 41 (calling names) >> now we get to item q on the first reading can i hear a motion to move. >> so moved. >> we can discuss the budget on first reading. so we're going to going to engage in a discussion this evening. i understand there is a brief

presentation. >> commissioners we'll be making the presentation from the backroom. >> so thank you president norton and. we're going to do this as a team effort