a fight to get this through so vote only if you believe in that. if you only vote for it because you find it hard not to vote for it don't. if you think it's going to open the doors for the unified school district kids and families vote because it's the right thing to do to put the mother and fathers to work. we'll have to carry this and see it through. be brave enough to do that. la has been doing this for years. i think it's the right thing to

do for the residents of san francisco. (clapping) and a thank you. i'll let you finish up >> i should know not to try to follow the commissioner. i want to thank all the folks who worked for this. i want to thank the superintendent and for commissioner yee for letting me help out with this and all the folks in the community and bright line and building trades and give us feedback and helped us 80 get to the point we'll have a successful vote. really what this is about is making sure that in everything we do we're the elected

officials who make things happen. if we say we're about equity it has to be part of our classrooms. i'm exist and though much has been done to get us here this is the beginning. we're putting ourselves on record this is a priority for us. modern anything it's about holding ourselves accountable. there's a lot of conversations and the hope process whether there has to be detailed worked out but we said we hold those jobs and those skills and experiences with a lot of

respect and we want a pipeline to make sure those students get those jobs. sometimes their trade offices and sometimes to build a carpenter shop at the school we may have to revisit our priorities. i'm happy about the work but this is begin for us to prioritize that. thank you (clapping) >> thank you. well said >> with that we'll call for roll call. >> as amended

(calling names) unanimous. >> okay. as you exit the room we're going to go on with our meeting so if you can exist quietly we would appreciate that. we are going to leave that i believe that was item h. and we're going to item i board members proposals held for speaker cards and actions there are none toenl tonight. and we're going to request to speak regarding general matters.

we're going to hang out for a minute (laughter) we're going to just recess for .

that's the kind of public comment i love. everybody sound really good and i'm glad she said, yes. >> okay thank you for that observation i agree with you on that. item k advisory committee reports there are none this evening item he l the special order of business. i'm going to a call to order on the proposal of the flexible use of up state fund for educational purposes. my i hear a motion and a second

please. i so move. second >> thank you. is the lady here oh, okay. may i hear a reading of the remedies >> i don't think i can do any more of anything i saw it was the most fantastic thing i've seen in a meeting. commissioners strrpt i will read the recommendation for 2 to 3 programs. i should have been a little bit after. this was exciting, you know, what i mean. the proposed flexible use of categorical program for educational purposes. whereas is 2009, 2010 state budget s b x for chapter four

statutes from 2009 and substantially enacted bill 2009 authorizes the school districts chapter schools and county education do use state fivend for the categorical programs under section 46205 for educational purposes and whereas the flexibility to use the categorical programs for any educational purposes is authorizes for the fiscal year 2008, 2009 to the fiscal year neo 13 and fourteen and whereas the condition of the categorical programs fund that maybe used for any educational purposes and as a continue for trar those funds to the governing funds

it's appropriate and a regular scheduled public hearing shall take testimony and discuss approve or disapprove for the purposes in which the funds will be used >> i appreciate you reading all the resolution you don't need to do that. i told you it was too excited here >> i can go back to further resolve. be a further resolved that the board of education in the san francisco county of education does propose the funding of education that has explicitly

and the objective code those particular resources. just so we know we have the only school district in the city of california that keeps track of those similar to where it was and we keep the revenue from the accounts. i have no public speakers are there any comments from the board? >> any first question is what do we know - i understand that the budget hadn't been passed yet but do we know the formula do we have any idea about it? >> i think that's something we talked about it before that's

something we're going to have to discuss as a group. we have over the last few years treated that as a separate sub accounts. we used about two-thirds 67 percent of right now those accounts similar to what when we were doing 2008 and 2009 >> that's my second question. >> what's the question? >> the question was about whether we will need a public hearing? >> no, if all of those go away although c pe under the local formula they don't exist anymore. the revenue didn't come through those things. i understand we have to pass our budget by gin thirty and the

state has to pass their budget by june 18th they'll make those things go away. has anybody asked in their thinking that when your discussion with the experts has anybody skdz the question will we not have to take the step this year and then we'll get to the second question why do we keep thinking the same way in my opinion >> we have not discussed that as of yet. my comments >> if i can plate. the timing is interesting. and difficult because currently law this action is being put before the board for

consideration based on current law and requirement of current law. the lc s f has not been enacted the bill hadn't been publicly shared so this action has to take place in the in the meantime. i would guess that there are many questions that will ensue including 2 or 3 but many aspects of the implementations for the lc f other restrictive programs that will be fold into. what happens next year a transitional year. when the district and the state are transitioning to the l s f this is technical stuff but what

resource codes should be used for the lc s f that will take the position of the resource codes that exist now. i don't think there's any possibility of that being clear even after the bill is signed or passed by the legislature and signed. i think next year there can't be anything but a transition. and have to use the resource codes and administrative infrastructure and then presumably over the next year or few months there will be clarity about issues like that. but it will be more applicable important the following year >> that's my assumption but i want us to think differently. i - i'd like to have somebody

tell me by next year on the 18 when we have the budget then or ask our folks to help us what will the mechanics be are we to undo this before we adopt the budget. i'm trying to communicate and explore for i move we have to do things differently. so since the l t f f is being gradually phased in overtime do the categorical in the lc f f are they just gone now for 13, fourteen we ousted to understand this fir first

>> my second question a philosophical question. if everybody looks at this this is most difficult for all of us when we see we're still he spending on the categorical the most important thing is the improvement. even though we're still he spending it in the codes essentially i've referred to this as >> instantaneously money what we're using it to try to advance our equity goals to further the historic disempowerment issues. if we took that out and looked at the other categorical pieces that we still seem to be doing

the same things. i think our discussion about the budget has to be different. i understand the fleblth the hammer hanging over us whatnot knowing if it was going to come back. from the accounting point of view but from the problematic point of view i think we're thinking the same way and acting like it's loopholes going to be organize. and instead of saying how this is going to deploy them and it's not categorized. there are a few things that have been my hobby we just did it.

but we act as although we are it appears to me we're planning as although we were going to do them the same way. i just want us to talk differently about the budget and about this and it transition time gives us the opportunity to understand the budget process but to start thinking differently about the resources and how we deploy them >> i want to thank for it level of detail and setting thereby aside. but this begs many, many questions. things like 8 hundred thousands

for p evidence code section grants and $100,000 for gifted education. i don't want to go into it here it sounds like this is all under influx but i urge we agendize the use of those dollars. there are really dozens of questions that are represented in this one spreadsheet. i did not want to go into is it if it changes over the next few weeks but to talk about this as commissioner winn just suggested. i sort of recall last year, we had discussion about this and the following week we voted on it i move no, we had a discussion about it because it had to be approved before the

regular budget was approved; is that correct mr. lee >> yes, that's correct. the hearing action has to take place then the adoption of the annual budget a. and i think what happens last year and - two years ago? and okay >> the second meeting we had to have the meeting adjourned and reconvene the actual meeting. last year there was a hearing scheduled like tonight as the first reading for action are if i recall some of the information that was initially prepared the commissioners had a number of questions and requests for more

clarification and that was priority at that second meeting a week later. like the committee because the commissioners felt like they need more information than what was provided originally one year ago you are about to give that format that was set up is similar to the material you have before you now. so the feedback from last year has been incorporated into the information that you're seeing now in the hopes that this is consistent with what you need to take in addition on this item tonight >> so are those expenditures binding? >> no for discussion for discussion. it's before discussion so we're

starting at this point. and tonight we're being asked to approve and this recommendation to approve the funding described to make candidate - are the expenditures set in stone if we vote on this tonight. can we reallocate some of the funds and change some of the expenditures in this spreadsheet we have before us? >> commissioner are you refer to changes that would take place throughout the year or in the next two weeks or something in between. >> no for clarification i think

that expenditures we see the revenue coming in we see a proposed expenditure and if we have a recommendation on some of the changes on the proposed expenditures are we able to do that after we approve this? if we approve this first without having a thorough discussion i feel w that if it's bind i'm a little bit uncomfortable to make the vote because there's no flexibility to change a recommendation about funding. so that was my in question question if it's bind or not after we approve this we can look at the spreadsheet and make changes i'm comfortable for that. this timeline is putting us in

an awkward situation. i don't know if our prepared to go through it now so i guess the question is to simply is to - is that binding may we change it next week >> can i make a suggestion and then ask the two folks if this would work based on their understanding which is different than mine that were so the concept i think i hear the suggestion president would be to pass though tonight and then maybe based on the augmented

budget if in this discussion it becomes clear that modifications to this aspect of the budget would be in order or intiefrd then i'm wondering if there could be procedurally a separate meeting on the same evening on the 25th but in order to meet the requirement that there be a distinctometer it's scheduled as a special meeting of the board that would allow the modifications to take place. so my questions is is it possible to do that or is there some prohibition as having the meeting on the same day >> no, i don't believe so so long as it's a separate he meeting what we did a few years

ago. we had a meeting and adjourned it and reopened the regular meeting that was fine >> so with that i think we would suggest that you take the action tonight and understand and we understand there's a probability particular next week there could be a modification forgive a special meeting on the 25th and a thank you for that suggestion. i think it's probably a good suggestion i'm in agreement with that. i don't be able to attend the budget discussion how many classes is this going to effect and what are the funds for the k c utilized for those sources?

>> i'll call on some of our academic folks if they can respond to the questions ms. lee. for the grade 9 size reduction. i think i believe it's utilized in all the high schools; right? if you could elaborate on that >> it used to be for ninth grade english and math. historical it was the way in which the district use the resources so to keep the smaller class size in those subject areas for 9th grade >> what about the k cs there

was a lot of money being put so what k c how will it be utilized for the students? >> anyone is there any staff that knows about the california entrance exams. i'm sorry can you speak into the mike for the record >> come in we're losing our - i believe the bulk of that is in the k c department and then some

of it is used for our summer school k c classes. we still do summer testing for seniors and then still need to pass the k c. those are the two things i'm aware of >> then i'm sorry. >> was ms. lee finished. >> and i think i was also going to ask is that this is the perfect example. so if you look at the expenditure without looking at our skews rate of california entrance exam we've not met our targets. it lends ourself to wonder if there's more studying