voters tol another place to find the additional information the implication that the information printed is more valid or more important or more substantive than the information not included and i just wanted to understand if there's a legal opinion about that implication. >> john gibner deputy city attorney again. this is really a policy question for the board to decide. the board has authority to determine how many -- whether to include the legal text at all and how much of the legal text to include, and so it's really up to your judgment whether you think voters would be mislead by including only a portion. >> okay. thank you. >> mr. chair, if i could just respond briefly to this?

>> go ahead. >> i agree with supervisor wiener's aide that that in his words this is not necessarily a one time issue but i think the intent of the legislation is to address the one time situation that we have here and i fully intend if we pass this at the end of the year to pass legislation at the direction of the election's commission to rescind this because this is i think a longer standing policy conversation that we ought to have about what is the most appropriate way for us to educate voters, but i am really concerned that if voters receive a handbook that has the full text of everything but on one measure have no text whatsoever, not even 20 pages worth. i can understand why 100 pages is an issue but not even 20 pages. i think that will create more questions and providing the first 20 pages shows what we're talking about. let me also say

when it comes to the ballot the 20 pages are the first five pages of the ordinance in question and page of supportive document so you're getting the gift of what the ordinance is about in the first five pages and a little more information and people could go to the library. they could go to the internet, et cetera, so i think we ought to explain and have that portion of the measure be in the ballot, and i also think that 20 pages was what supervisor wiener suggested is an appropriate cut off and i am happy to adopt that as part of the amendment of what we're talking about today. >> thank you. my comments are that i think that it is important that provide a pamphlet that is more consistent and i do think there would be a little bit of confusion from

voters, especially as voters you're used to seeing the ballot measure, the explanations. it has a consistency now and provides the supporting documentation and i don't think we can completely submit something to say if you want more information about this this is where you need to go so i am happy to support moving this forward with the adjustment of the 20 page per measure maximum for this particular case, and definitely interested in seeing how this works in getting a reaction from voters and their feedback to know whether or not it's a system that we should continue or if we should re-evaluate it and change anything in terms of the election code so i am happy to move forward with that suggestion. >> so currently we have two

proposals -- amendments here, and what i am understanding from supervisors wiener's office their proposal will not be changing, and from supervisor chiu that you have a proposal and you're willing to make amendments to that? >> that's correct. so i circulated to you the amendments i described which initially said print the first 100 pages but out of deference to supervisor wiener's suggestion of 20 pages and what supervisor breed just said and i am prepared if the committee wants to go down to 20 pages and consistency in the ballot i am comfortable with that as amendments to my version. >> so supervisor breed were you making amendments to supervisor

chiu's proposal? because you made a general comment but i wasn't too sure. >> i wasn't making amendments but i would be open to considering the idea of consistency with the ballot and open to the possibility of this but wanted to hear from supervisor cohen. >> thank you. my comments are for staff. you are listening to the conversation and how we're going to deliberate these thoughtful proposals. do you have guidance and direction? i am looking to you because you're the expert. you publish these documents often, annually. is it physically possible to do something like this? i am not interested in having -- reading an idea partially articulated, but the other part of the idea is cut off because it goes beyond the 20 page threshold.

is this a possibility or are you able to format it, size it down, play with the margins? i am looking for some of your thoughts. >> excuse me. when it comes to this referendum, this packet of information there is not much we can do with this information as far as squeezing it or expanding the margins and get more content on a page. most of the information that's incorporated with the referendum is documents from the planning commission, so it's information already issued by the agency. i don't see how we can tweak that and play around it so there is not much to do to reduce the current referendum to a smaller size. as far as the proposal focus we print nothing

of course we can pull that off. >> >> if we print 20 pages we could pull that off and the legislation is clear we will put markers for the voters that says this is the first 20 pages and if you want to see more information please go to the library, go to the website. call us and we will send you it in the mail so as far as the different proposals here today the department can comply easily with those. the challenge is trying to squeeze the current bundle of information into a smaller package which i don't think is likely. >> so you i want to make sure i heard you correctly. you would include a statement if you would like more information and mailed to you please call this number and it will be sent to you. >> right. >> i am initially thinking about the seniors and the senior buildings that are all across the city, and a lot of them

have told me they depend on these pamphlets. that's what they read. that's how they get their content and very few are technologically savvy or even have the wherewithal to point and click and get the information on the website. the cost to send that bundled information is that a cost the city will assume or is it passed onto the voter? >> no, the city would pick up the cost and the voter wouldn't pay for that directly. >> my question is is it going to be written -- the information where they can call and get it and i assume in multiple languages, bold, easily accessible for a reader? >> yeah whatever path we take with this the department wants the decision to be successful so we want to make sure the voters are well informed and aware,

it's intiewive that the solution and it's easy to obtain. >> thank you very much. >> so supervisor chiu. >> if i could make one comment to piggyback on what supervisor cohen said. i am concerned because of the digital divide we have constituents with either language issues or because they're seniors and don't have access to the internet i think it's important to get a flavor of the ballot measure and if they want to contact the department of elections or go to the library or have a copy mailed to them they will receive it and the language proposed after the first 20 pages and the text contains the first 20 pages but not the remaining pages of the measure. those pages could have useful information important to voters and i think that addresses the concerns that

the first 20 pages aren't represented and we know in november it's represented because it's the ordinance and lays out how a voter can receive the text of the measure. we tried to think of the issues and the cost incurred by the city and the department much elections and educate the voters and to make an informed decision. >> thank you. >> first of all i want to thank supervisor wiener and supervisor chiu -- or president chiu for taking on this issue in terms of the cost and what is practical for our voters, but at this point i would like to entertain -- now, i guess process wise can president chiu -- okay. so somebody on the committee would have to make the amendment. i will like to entertain an amendment to supervisor chiu's

proposal. is there any? >> yes. but do you want me to repeat what the specific amendment is? will i need to? >> no. >> i can. >> before we do that should i be taking public comment? >> you should take comment community before any vote. if you like i can respond to supervisor breed's question. supervisor chiu's description of the amendment and what he circulated suffices to describe the amendment you're proposing. just to be clear for the record the exclusion of text would be triggered whenever there is a measure over 100 pages long and when that happens 20 pages would be printed in the voter information pamphlet. >> let me have clarification then. what if it's 50 pages long? >> under supervisor chiu -- if

a 50 page measure is submitted to the department of elections it will be printed in full in the voter information pamphlet. this new rule would only apply to measures that exceed 100 pages. >> okay. supervisor breed. >> public comment. >> public comment first. okay thank you. any public comment on this issue? seeing none public comment is closed. supervisor breed. >> yes. i would like to make a motion that we accept the amended ordinance proposed by supervisor chiu to change the language to reduce the number of pages to not to exceed the 100 to 20. is that accurate? >> that's accurate. in other

words for measures over 100 pages and the first 20 pages are printed and that's the amendment to the amendment. >> is there a second? >> second. >> okay. the motion passes. any objection? the amendment passes without objection. at this point anybody want to make a motion to pass this -- we're voting on supervisor chiu's proposal which is item four at this point. is there a motion to pass this out of committee? >> so moved. >> second. >> motion is moved without any objection. and item five. this is supervisor wiener's proposal. is there any motion to either pass or not pass it out of committee? >> no. >> okay. so what happens then?

>> [inaudible] to the call of the chair. >> say that again. >> i would like to make a motion to file to the call of the chair. >> continue to the call of the chair? >> yes. continue to the call of the chair. >> is there a motion? second? motion passes. >>i would like to thank supervisor wiener and staff and thank you to the madam president and the city attorney staff working through this because it was more complicated than what i expected. thank you colleagues. >> thank you madam chiu. madam clerk anything else on the agenda? >> no mr. chair. >> if not the meeting is adjourned. thank you very much. ♪

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>> here we are at the embarcadero. we are standing at one of locations for the street

artists. can you tell me about this particular location, the program? >> this location is very significant. this was the very first and only location granted by the board of supervisors for the street artist when the program began in 1972. how does a person become a street artist? there are two major tenants. you must make the work yourself and you must sell the work yourself. a street artist, the license, then submitting the work to a committee of artists. this committee actually watches them make the work in front of them so that we can verify that it is all their own work. >> what happened during the holiday to make this an exciting location? >> this would be a magic time of year.

you would probably see this place is jammed with street artists. as the no, there is a lottery held at 6 in the morning. that is how sought after the spaces are. you might get as many as 150 street artists to show up for 50 spaces. >> what other areas can a licensed street artist go to? >> they can go to the fisherman's wharf area. they can go in and around union square. we have space is now up in the castro, in fact. >> how many are there? >> we have about 420. >> are they here all year round? >> out of the 420, i know 150 to sell all year round. i mean like five-seven days a week. >> are they making their living of of this? >> this is their sole source of

income for many. >> how long have you been with this program. how much has it changed? >> i have been with the program since it began 37 and a half years ago but i have seen changes in the trend. fashion comes and goes. >> i think that you can still find plenty of titis perhaps. >> this is because the 60's is retro for a lot of people. i have seen that come back, yes. >> people still think of this city as the birth of that movement. great, thank you for talking about the background of the program. i'm excited to go shopping. >> i would like you to meet two street artists.

this is linda and jeremy. >> night said to me to print them -- nice to meet you. >> can you talk to me about a variety of products that use cell? >> we have these lovely constructed platters. we make these wonderful powder bowls. they can have a lot of color. >> york also using your license. -- you are also using your license. >> this means that i can register with the city. this makes sure that our family participated in making all of these. >> this comes by licensed artists. the person selling it is the

person that made it. there is nothing better than the people that made it. >> i would like you to meet michael johnson. he has been in the program for over 8 years. >> nice to me you. what inspired your photography? >> i am inspired everything that i see. the greatest thing about being a photographer is being able to show other people what i see. i have mostly worked in cuba and work that i shot here in san francisco. >> what is it about being a street artist that you particularly like? >> i liked it to the first day that i did it. i like talking to mentum people. talking about art or anything

that comes to our minds. there is more visibility than i would see in any store front. this would cost us relatively very little. >> i am so happy to meet you. i wish you all of the best. >> you are the wonderful artist that makes these color coding. >> nice to me to. >> i have been a street artist since 1976. >> how did you decide to be a street artist? >> i was working on union square. on lunch hours, i would be there visiting the artist. it was interesting, exciting, and i have a creative streak in me. it ranges from t-shirts, jackets, hats. what is the day of the life of a

street artist? >> they have their 2536 in the morning. by the end of the day, the last people to pack the vehicle probably get on their own at 7:30 at night. >> nice to me to condemn the -- nice to meet you. >> it was a pleasure to share this with you. i hope that the bay area will descend upon the plaza and go through thesets and crafts and by some holiday gifts. >> that would be amazing. thank you so much for the hard work that you do.