it is an important amenity to our rider. lack of seating can be a barrier to taking transit. it places signs for the muni signs. pu biormation for people who can't see the sign. and of course lighting is a safety issue. we pursue new locations based on rider ship. also we have a project at church and duboce where the islands are slightly wider. we can put a shelter where we couldn't before. but the most important aspect for a new shelter location is customer request. and this is an aside. i'll get to dpw part. i actually only go forward with a fraction of the number of requests that i get because the sidewalks are narrow and they have street furniture. so, our main partner when we go forward with a new shelter and also with the replacement is dpw. each location needs a permit.

for the new shelters, [speaker not understood] is also required. notice is provided within 150 feet of the location. there's a hearing so that business owners and individuals can provide their input, both positive and negative. so, we do not put any shelter in the ground without a permit from dpw and dpw has been a great partner with us. the preferred siting for a are ter is near the front where we get complaints, we do trh contractor to find a slightly better site if that's possible. for example, as you know, we were able to work with dfw to places where it's narrow. eliminate p the we can't. we are very sensitive to the so, imes we can, sometimes fact that e sidewalks are narrow and where we can, we can. so, with that any questions. >> supervisor kim. >> thank you. you know, the bus shelter foa different ofn our district

i think you remember o ago we had worked on the turk and hyde removal. one issue clutter on fourth can be created on narrow streets based upon people trying to move through the sidewalks, but also the public safety issues. it's not just bus shelters. it isal everything on the street that kind of blocks sight, sight views to our police officers and residents, particularly in areas where ha low-level crime such as drug dealing. so, i know that continues to be an issue. and i would really, know, like to work with the mta and see what strategies we can implement particularly in the tenderloin neighborhood wheri know we're getting lots of requests to remove bus shelters. we're getting another request again from one of our more active corners. ~ you know i wonder if we can be more creative about t. one, besides

bus shelters, we understand because we have a lot of seniors and disabled residents as well. we want them to sit while they wait from the bus or have shelter from the rain. some folks have brought up questions about whether we can remove the wall behind the chairs so at least there is some sight views so police officers that are driving down the street, so people aren't hiding kind of behind the walls. one wally know is specifically for advertising. it would be i think really important to have a discussion about that aspect, too, the clutter. >> yes. >> of street furniture. >> we are very happy to discuss that. one of the issues also that we have with shelters is we are very cognizant of title 6 requirements that in addition to having shelters in better off neighborhoods, you also have great, thank you, ms. stei righoperators have no access to re taken care of with 15 portables. it is a challenge

moving forward hofill these gaps as effectively as possible. this is a map view showing -- woops, sorry -- showing all the different various [speak n understood] to the city. the ones thahere are the gaps. and the portables, those are the 32 sites that we need to address. a project on the board to install six portables. let's see. they're located at third and fitzgerald, third and hudson, 25th and potrero, ortega and 48th. geary and 32nd and the intersection of bali and lincoln. august 6th of three do not impact sidewalks and i'll go through them now. i'm sorry, this is the image of

the prefabricated unit we intend to install. it is the smallest size that we can make it and still be a-d-a accessible. this was designed by our dpw [speaker not understood]. >> what are the dimensions? >> what? >> what are the dimensions? >> we have two sizes. let's see. one that's standard size, eight-foot by 11 feet. and the net elevation which is i believe about 7 by 13. >> and how tall? >> let's see. i'd say -- let me get the drawings. i would say between 8 to 10 feet tall. >> and the six -- you have six in process now that that's the first phase. >> that's correct. >> do you know what the total number is that mta will ultimately propose? >> we have currently six more

stays. we have 40 that have been approved as part of the general referral that we intend to roll out. that will be the next two phases, phase ii and phase iii. >> so, 36 plus or 30 including the six? >> 30 plus 6, so 36 total. >> 36 total, thank you. >> our location criteria has been -- basically we need to -- in order to be effective we need to be as close to the bus terminal as possible. 50 to 100 feet [speaker not understood]. bus drivers have 5 to 10 minutes during a break so we want to make it as convenient as possible. as far as following the dpw ordinance regarding serviceman dated facility guidelines, i.e., setbacks from pedestrian zone, six foot minimum

clearance if we can get it. let's see. where we have located them on sidewalks we try to provide a build out and locate them close to utilities to minimize cost. like i said, we've gone to general plan referral. we're going through the mentoring process which involves quite a bit of community outreach. we've gotten art commission approval, c-e-q-a review, [speaker not understood] and also dpw directors. >> now, mta also sometimes uses or works with local merchants. >> um-hm. >> and either for free or pays them to allow operators to use the rest room. >> that's correct. >> that's assuming those rest rooms are a-d-a accessible. >> correct. >> and, so, it seems -- 36

seems like a large number of -- rather large units. mta exhausted having merchants? we have a merchant in my district [speaker not understood]. he said i let them use my rest room. >> that's our first preference, is to either have access to a free public rest room or to develop a license with a local business owner, assuming that that rest rooms are easily accessible and a-d-a compliant. that was our first choice. barring that, then we start to investigate the potential of installing portables -- i'm sorry, prefab. the 30 right now, the number is developed a few years ago, the list. so, we'll continue to kind of

try and winnow it down if possible. depending on how bus lines are currently run when we get to that point. >> i would hope the mta would winnow it down. this is -- obviously no one begrudges, muni drivers need to use facilities. you're on a bus all day and have no access to a rest room. but these are also large facilities that serve i believe only the bus operator. so, most of the data are items sitting there on the sidewalk and aren't usable by other people. so, i think that presents a challenge. president chiu? >> thank you. this is the first i learned about the operator rest rooms. how much is the mta spending on all of these rest rooms? do you know what the overall budget is for construction and [inaudible]? >> each prefab unit costs

around $60,000. the unit installed is 150 to 170,000. >> is that per -- per unit? >> yes, per unit. >> 170, $230,000 per unit? >> 170 includes 60,000 for the unit. >> okay, $170,000 per unit? >> installed. >> how much is a license that you worked out with small businesses for use? >> couple hundred dollar a month, so, 4 or $5,000 a year. >> 4 to $5,000 a year. so, in other words, $170,000 -- sorry, i'm trying to do quick math on this. this is' 3 to 4 years' worth of bathroom access. i have to ask an obvious question. it seems to me most of these bus routes would have a small business they're going by that

would -- probably wouldn't mind 4 or $5,000 i revenue a year if we could pay them as opposed to building a structure. can you talk about the decision process by the sfmta to build four of these? >> we have a task force that is [speaker not understood] to review this, deal with this issue. we have real estate folks who focus our time walking the pavement, meeting with business people to try to negotiate licenses. there are certain locations where there are no businesses around and certainly i have some examples in the current design like, say, 48th and/oring at the a. there's no local restaurant or business nearby that would be able to help our bus drivers. so, we need to install facilities. and it's in those instances where we go to the length to install an actual structure. >> okay.

you know, i certainly like supervisor wiener don't begrudge situationses facing our supervisors. we need to ensure their needs are being met. again, it it strikes me as a lot of money and i wonder if there are other options we could pay for to deal with the situation. >> i think the other issue is when you look at these business licenses, a lot of businesses close early or close the hours of op ratetionthv. ~ operating. it narrows it down extensively. [speaker not understood]. >> again, i understand 4 to $5,000 to spend for a typical license. $170,000 seems to go a long way. it's hard to imagine the entire route, i'm looking at some of these addresses. i can think off the top of my head nearby, geary and second avenue, i think there are places that one could go, but

anyways, i wanted to just ask the question. >> [speaker not understood]. >> so, in other words, the late night aspect of this? has there been a conversation about whether an operator, even if the business is not open, figuring out some way to give them access to a rest room? >> i did not have the conversation, but [speaker not understood]. there are definitely challenges with that's correct but we could explore that if you were really adamant about looking at that. operating is the biggest challenge for these. [speaker not understood]. >> okay. again, it strikes me as [speaker not understood] given the density of our city and how many bathrooms there are in the city. so, i would love to learn a little more about this.

>> i'll walk you through the site. just briefly, [speaker not understood], where, you know, taking advantage of the traffic island. so, we're not -- sorry? >> [inaudible]. >> oh, okay. [speaker not understood] and third, taking advantage of the traffic island so as not to impede on the sidewalk. hudson and third, we are [speaker not understood] in order to help soften the visual impact as well as provide clearing. 48th, similar, we're planning build outs. maintain clearance of the sidewalk. 25th and potrero, this is a tight location there, therefore

we developed a narrower rest room in order to maintain clearance and still meet a-d-a requirements. geary boulevard, we're actually developing a [speaker not understood] use permit with the school district so we're not impeding on the sidewalk in any way. we're actually on school district property. >> are there any bathrooms on the school district property? >> i'm sorry? >> are there any bathrooms on the school district properties -- >> we have looked into that. i believe not. again, due to the operating hours of the [speaker not understood] line, access to the school campus was not feasible. >> supervisor kim. >> is this presidio middle school or washington high school? >> this is washington high school. >> okay.

so, isn't it also an issue to take up space on the school campus for this as well? i know washington is a humongous campus l and i imagine actually goes through at least two city blocks, i think, the campus ~. so, i imagine right on geary it's where the hill s. >> right. >> i'm just curious. i know space is incredibly important. >> right. well, we are on the slope right adjacent to geary and we're taking up just enough space for the rest rooms. i'm not sure if the slope above that is that developable within the school district. so, i don't imagine that the [speaker not understood] has that great an impact. and they do get revenue from -- we will be paying a license fee for the lease of that property.

no sidewalk impacted here. we're working with the presidio trust folks and will be providing additional screening. so that the trailer is less visible. ~ we do have phase ii and 3. again, once again, licenses and fee option are our priority and we're looking at all the future gaps with that in mind. and that's it. thank you. any further questions? no? >> thank you very much. appreciate it. and then finally from mta benita [speaker not understood] to talk about boxes. after this we'll be going to public comment. so, if you have not submitted a card and would like to speak in public comment you can fill out a blue card in the front. mr. velasquez.

>> [speaker not understood]. traffic several controllers that we have at each of the 1200 signalized intersections in the city. sorry, i have the plan. the controllers are basically the brains of each of the intersections. trian signal raffic signal p heads are wired directly down the pole ur the street, and one controller per intersection. it is at this controller that the [speaker not understood] basically does the work that programs, diagnose problems of the controller. and you can see on the slide the size of the controller. there is also a schematic that shows what the inside looks like. we have a computer there. it's kind of dark, but on the bottom you'll sinto the control room and back into the

computer. there are a number of criteria that we have to follow when we install these controllers. you can see the bullets up on the screen. top three are basically shall, we shall maintain clearances for fire hydrants and others. we shall maintain traffic and pedestrian sidelines. we shall satisfy a-d-a requirements. the ones on the bottom, the one on the bottom about direct line of sight, placement so that it's less prone to getting hit, those are more should. that's something that we should do, it's not a shall condition. but obviously we want to do all those at the same time as well. the technical placement criteria. other considerations, we can't be near driveways. can't be in driveways either. we try to avoid bus zones. we try to avoid entrances to businesses, doorways, hotels, apartment buildings. and we also try to avoid

windows and frontages. and then of course we also try to consider how much volume of pedestrians are going on that particular sidewalk. and then each hotel is considered an sfm subject to dpw permitting conditions. so, what we've done in every location where we had to install a new controller or relocate one, we follow the smf procedures, posting a public hearing if somebody issues a concern. and then we secure the preliminary permits from dpw. i wanted to address one of the issues about placement of controllers on the near side of intersections. like i said, sometimes it's just really difficult for us to try to place them on the far side. all things being equal, we would want that controller to be on the far side of the intersection so we have maximum visibility for pedestrians. but sometimes with all the constraints that we're faced against with that near side

location somehow that only works. and i'd be happy to follow-up with andres where there seems to be an issue [speaker not understood]. there is no parking for the lane, it's right up against the sidewalk. we can take a look at what we can do with that controller. thank you. >> great, thank you very much. colleagues, no questions? terrific. i want to thank all the city staff for those very informative presentations. and as with most things, i think what this makes clear these are not complicated issues, trying to ballet lot of different needs with some of the important services that street furniture provides and critical needs in the community, but also wanting to just be strategic in how we, how we decide to place things on the sidewalks given limited sidewalk space for pedestrian flow. so, colleagues, if there are no additional comments or questions, we will open it up to public comment. public comment will be two

minutes. you'll hear a soft bell when you have 30 seconds left and a louder bell when the two minutes has expired. , and so, i will call the names that i have. and i apologize in advance if i mispronounce your name. alex popovich. bob hutchinson. kevin wong. drew howard, alex walker. mylo [speaker not understood]. [speaker not understood]. marlene butler. and andrea aiello. you can just line up. you don't have to speak in the order that i called you. let's line up along the wall on the left. supervisors, my name is alex, president of san francisco bay distributors,

inc., and publication including 11 [speaker not understood] graffiti, [speaker not understood]. i'm here today to offer your committee information data obtained from 30 years of distribution street publications abating graffiti from newsracks. [speaker not understood] and been serving there for over one year. graffiti is a team partner with community clean team volunteering to clean newsracks. i'm the senior [speaker not understood] serving since the inception 30 years ago. [speaker not understood]. i'm proud to say that you have my [speaker not understood]. i was the chairman of the foreman's newsrack [speaker not understood]. here are my suggestions. approximately 250 pedestals

available for installation, i have identified over 200 location that would totally complete the ad zone jackson street to king street, and commuting corridors [speaker not understood] within the non-ad zones. i thought i had three minutes. so i'm going to skip. i find it imperative to alert you that the proposal eliminating freestanding newsracks outside of program zones would put most small publishers out of business. it can cost in excess of $250 per unit. this would create a monopoly from the larger publicationses without their respective publishers seeking a course of action. this would negatively impact local small businesses and public at large that depends on the low advertising rates offered by the smaller publications. the solution to proactive maintenance of abatement from the publishers of free standing newsracks lies in [speaker not understood] in order to maintain the newsrack certificates. thank you very much.

i have my survey in hard copy i'd like to submit to the supervisors. >> great, thank you very much. next speaker. good afternoon, supervisors. my name is kevin fong. i'm the circulation manager for the san francisco advertiser paper. i received an e-mail from the city of dpw regarding elimination of the freestanding racks to keep our subway -- sidewalks clean from clutter. i'm very shocked to hear committees consider eliminating newspapers street racks. we have been in business over 43 years and we have held many small business to grow. ~ helped they are like us, they hire local employees, pay city payroll taxes, support local business and pay property tax. we are a weekly newspaper. our readers use our paper to

save money, retail, [speaker not understood]. by eliminating freestanding racks on the street, that will negatively impact the larger number of local small business and [speaker not understood] largely depend on the small advertising rate of these small publications. the suggestion here is even though the creation is not the best choice, but that's probably the best solution today. our street racks look much cleaner than a few years ago. i hope we can continue to go along with the clearchannel and the racks looks much better. thanks. >> thank you very much. next speaker. and i have one additional card, ronald austin. [speaker not understood]. good afternoon, supervisors, chairman, president. chairman, thank you so much for calling this meeting. through the visual wasv that we've seen and walking around the district i'm sure know and face the difficulties of being

a pedestrian [speaker not understood] in san francisco. and the key elements that you've called for here prioritizing services, strategic placement, [speaker not understood] communication and consolidation is really going to be critical and help us move forward. san francisco has tremendous guidelines and goals and standards that we hold ourselves accountable to. accountability is i think something we can work better on. in talking about the interdepartmental communication, i know we're focused on that here and now, but i also want to encourage you to and the process that includes community input. dpw's order around smf is the key memo that then director ed lee signed. really outlines what this process looks like and, supervisor kim, i know you asked or if it was president chiu asked for -- asked for guidelines on how is this working in your districts. two weeks ago we hosted a

community meeting around the utility boxes specifically. we had more than 50 paraer advertise pants from all over the city who brought to us their problems and concerns as they're now dealing with that permitting process, how it affects them in their districts. and there are some improvements and i think we can make to the process. for example, notices are only [speaker not understood] can be really a problem. ,