has an underground cable and fed by a very close substation that feeds the entire san francisco munis power grid. >> they should have a lot of power. >> this is a good facility from a power reliable perspective. >> thank you, that answers a lot of my questions. and having gone through a facility or a residents that have overhead wiring and new house for the last thirty 30 years has been under grounds and we've had two out acknowledges in 30 years and not many because you are not susceptible to weather conditions. it seems to me the back up use of the generators would be very limited. maybe the sponsors can say what you are making to make it more environmentally acceptable in the case that it does have to

be used even for short periods of time. >> where it's supporting biofuel. we believe to use it and we absolutely will if we can. there was also a vibration issue. we are exploring the possibility of putting the generator on spring isolate oris for the mechanical equipment and specifically for the exhaust the biofuel would be one way to dramatically reduce the particulate. >> so you think that's quite probable that you can do that instead of diesel which is probably already being used? >> yes. and maintaining the equipment itself with regular maintenance will operate more efficiently. >> and generally with the

noise. if there is any from the operation in it's normal usage. >> there appears to be two main sources of noise. that was the mechanical equipment on the roof and we investigated that and inspected it and appeared to be mounted incorrectly and older equipment. we are going to be replacing that equipment and putting isolate ors on the new equipment on the roof to reduce that vibration. there was also a comment from one of the neighbors, a concern about the transformer. although we don't believe there is a lot of vibration from the transformer. someone said they felt that walking by, we can provide insulation for that as well. for the generate or if that

were to be turned on for a period of time, we can reduce that as well for the vibration. i'm hearing you are planning to do those things as part of your operation. i think my approval would be based upon you doing those type of things. >> yes. >> okay, thank you. see what the other commissioners have to say. >> commissioner borden? >> yeah, can you just explain exactly what your issue is. don't go through the ceqa, i just want to know specifically what your issue is. >> san francisco has a lot of seismic activity and in the event of an earthquake, pg & e will pull this power off and the generator will be on. one problem. two, it must be tested regularly. when it's tested and

it's carcinogenic soot into our backyard. people have approved it. you approved a home just a couple weeks ago. the lady who has just moved behind has a baby and pregnant with another. there is an infant who lives on the main floor of my building and one in between. it not compatible use for the neighborhood. it's for m 1 zoning. you can't put this in a residential neighborhood. the noise pollution and neighborhood and everything done there has been a problem up to this point. >> i just want to understand your issues. >> no problem. i just want to be clear. i don't want to get

in a back and forth debate. i happen to know a little bit about this. my company is the world largest manufacturer of servers, ibm. most companies have large server rooms that you probably don't realize and there are plenty of places like this because serving moved to the cloud which means you don't have to have your own server. it seem the issue is related to the noise generate or and i'm trying to figure out from staff how we could, i know a consultant is doing an analysis about the noise. i would just want to make sure that we can codify some of the conditions and also having it tested for smoke. >> it would be subject to the permitting process. they are having the air quality management district permit. if

we are looking into the department of public health permit, that would be an annual permit that would allow 50 hours. seems they that restriction. they are subject to the other municipal codes in terms of the noise ordinance and that is enforced by the department of health and we have worked with them about how we can work together in terms of enforcement. if they receive complaints that this was violating the noise ordinance and they verify it, we could bring this back to this commission for revocation of the conditional use authorization. if they are violating city laws we would have that ability and that's what we are discussions with dph about. in terms of the back up generators, i would argue that it's not entirely inconsistent with the

residential neighborhood. i received a residential in san francisco notices about the back up generators going up on a care facility where nearby hospitals. it's not a feature that we see in residential districts. there are other institutions. a police station could have a backup generator in a residential location. just because you have a backup generator that you should be within 1,000 feet. >> i know. i just want to make sure that with the purpose for the community that maybe we can put something in place. maybe suggest that we ask for not a hearing, but maybe 6 months or year to report back to this commission and maybe they have

done an assessment of the noise. i understand the issue is making sure that, enforcement is hard after the fact and that is a concern and maybe we can put that in the motion and we can get a report back from staff on the status of any noise. >> maybe we can address some of the concerns here is that we would have them obtain a permanent application to invoke this authorization and through that process, this is a legitimate situation. some permits that were stopped, there was never perfectly permitted the first time through and we can work with the department of building in suspension inspection -- in the expired permits receive their final inspection. we can work with the department of building inspection to ensure

that those inspections occur. >> can we put that in the motion? >> i don't think we need to separately codify it. i think there is something in there we can put in the building application. >> it would definitely need that to establish that on-site. back to the noise issue, we have something in there that they have to meet the noise level. they are doing that analysis now and they will be required to demonstrate that they are meeting that through this conditional use authorization already. >> great. because servers themselves are not the problem. the issue is i understand the generator. servers are in this building, that is not the issue. i want to separate out the use and the issue related to the use and the issue related to the power which is second and secondary issue. if we feel like we need the motion, i would move to

approve with conditions with related to the noise and sound. >> that would be a memo to the commission. >> a memo to the commission with the outcomes with the generator with all the permitting processes. >> as a condition of approval? >> commissioner sugaya? >> along the lines did we just say we wanted a report back? i think there is a not a problem. i just want to point out an issue that are we asking that in terms of reports that go to the staff with respect to complaints or is that going to be something where in dph is going to be monitoring this in some fashion. i say that because the public's perception

of noise and pollution and vibration are going to be, i think, quite different than what the regulations under dph is going to be so to speak. so if we are looking for something in terms of a report, i would think we would have to have the department of public health involved in someway in terms of complaints going to them, not planning staff or planning staff would have to refer it to dph. we would have to have some kind of report to them. >> that's an excellent point. what we can do is what i envision here is we would report back in six 6 months with the overall status with the process and to ensure they got the relevant dph etc and what their determination was.

>> okay. the second question is the reason that we are able to consider this as a cu is because of your determination that the previous use, not the company, but the use itself is continued and there from, from it's m 1 days and therefore to change the zoning, which wouldn't allow this at this point, your determination has resulted in the project sponsor to be able to come before us with a conditional use request? >> that is correct. >> in terms of the business itself, i understand that it's aimed at smaller businesses, local businesses, but i still don't understand why it's necessary to have this use close

in what is becoming a residential neighborhood. i understand that generators and other things are attached to other uses as commissioner borden pointed out, but why, if i have a business and, to the project sponsor, if i were a business and i engaged you in terms of setting up, would i set up my server with you? >> the reason the close proximity is of importance is the majority of the staff of internet companies live within the proximity of that location. >> why would they need to have access to your facility? >> a lot of times what happens in this case, computer staff, network engineer they would need to have physical access to

install new components. >> they couldn't drive a mile away to paul street to do this same thing. >> absolutely, what happens in san francisco is a lot of people go to san jose. this provides a much smaller and much more affordable location for companies that don't want to drive. for all it's own purposes. i would get a lot of staff would be able to walk to this facility. this concept of close proximity to the equipment is an important concept. that's why we try to have things in a close proximity. energy is created by being close to it. instead of sending in your car and waiting 3 hours spewing gas, you can take your bike to this facility. it's important to starting an internet company

and going back to what commissioner said earlier, there are servers everywhere, there are small generators everywhere. this is just a small facility. >> what percent of start ups, for example, wouldn't maintain their own servers within their own establishments? >> at this point, i would say very few companies maintain their own servers. they look for putting them into the cloud, right? but what is the cloud, it's buildings such as these. it's not out there somewhere like conventional thinking. >> i understand that, i just don't understand that with the cloud thaw -- that you have to be physically close to everything. >> the cloud is nothing more than a building with a lot of servers. they fail, they need upgrades. >> how many ip companies are

within 5 blocks of your establishments. >> within 10 blocks i would say 20-30. this is south of market where this was the no. 1 zip code for this location. >> i think it's in the wrong location and i'm not in favor of it. >> commissioner moore? >> i want to say we have a liaison as part of the project, right? the second point is i hope the company who is looking for approval today is trying to have a more neighborly policy with the adjoining people. this is an industrial building. i think we use as the facility

described is quite appropriate. i think we need to remember, people use the word generator and backup generator interchangeably. this generator is not for daily power supply, but it is a backup as people would do in a residents. people would have this so in a case of earthquakes, you should have the possibility to function. this diesel generator is not going to be cranked up everyday spewing up particles but being used at the time when the use of generators is only the last measure to have power in that building. i think we need to be clear of what these terms mean here. i believe that the over lay of control and feedback to the commission including me

with having the community liaison is the correct way to make sure this operation is properly working in a day-to-day fashion so noises are non-existent and other disturbances are monitored as they apply to everyone else. >> commissioner antonini >> my understanding is that they comply with the backup generator and bolting of the new mechanical equipment to isolate and minimize vibrations. those are some of the things i expect. this is another situation. for years we've talked about pdr and industrial uses. i realize this is an area. some of the speakers have been residents for many years, this also has

been an area that has mixed industrial and residential uses. this is a use that has been there for some time. admittedly this particular use is going to be cleaned up and a lot more in up the with the neighbors and where the other cases. one of the things we always deal with particularly to new residents an area that has a lot of industrial components. if they serve a good purpose, then we have to have an agreement that the residents will get along and the industrial uses will get along with the residents. that's the key here. i think it's a good location and as was pointed out by the speaker, it's in close proximity of the new internet companies and keeps businesses in san francisco. i'm in favor of it with the modification that are in the motion.

>> commissioner wu? >> to the project sponsor and i ask the question. what was the timeline for the noise study and when will it be complete and is that the same as the liaison contact? >> i believe the report itself will be an a public document will be reported back to the city. it will be complete as we finish highlighting the design of the equipment to work in conjunction with the consultant and replacing the equipment and how it's going to be installed so when they do the test, it will pass the test. >> do you have an estimate of how much time? >> we are probably looking in the fall to start construction. before we get our permit we have to produce that. >> okay. do you have the name yet of who your community

liaison will be? >> i don't have the name yet, but we will have one. >> just make sure that it's available to planning department and then the public can ask mr. teeg for that person. >> absolutely. >> commissioner sugaya? >> yes, just to follow-up, the genetic generation -- generator is not there when there is a complete power surgeon or earthquake. doesn't it automatically go on. why else would we have battery back ups. >> it's a backup generator and only be used in case there is an outage from pg & e. we have a battery system that can carry us anywhere between 5-15 minutes. this is for extended outages. the majority of the

voltage drops are in few cycles and our battery system takes care of that. >> you are saying that all pg & e power is underground at this point because there is some dispute with the neighbors with whether that is true or not. >> as far as the information that i have received from pg & e, there is underground cables that feeds this transformer. >> okay. i would like to make a note in the record and if there are pg & e overhead lines serving this facility, then i think

>> on that motion to approve this. sugaya, no, wu, fong, that motion passes 5-1 with commissioner sugaya voting against. commissioners that will place you on items 14 a and b. at 450 hayes street for conditional use authorization and the zoning administrator will request for rear yard modification. >> good afternoon president fong and members of commission, my name is kevin guy with staff. the project would dmol

issue a construction parking lot and have 41 dwelling units and 20 off street parking spaces. >> excuse me. those members of the public leaving the room, can you exit quietly. >> the center court beyond yard configurations does not allow for a courtyard. the zoning district may modify these spaces for a compromised space as long as it provides air for surrounding properties. aside from the requested rear yard modifications. for the design

that is contemporary that is compatible with the fine grain of all the billions -- buildings in the area. staff has received positive response from the housing coalition. the orientation of the project and the provision of on-site in inclusion of housing. they have received opposition because it would affect the sunlight. these were e-mailed to you early ier this week. the conclusion the staff recommends this site. the project includes a principally permitted amount of parking and includes dwelling and housing needs.

staff recommends approval. i should note however that the monitoring program in your packet includes two mitigation measures that do not apply to the project and should be deleted should the commission approve the project. these are measures addressing when and shadow public open spaces. this concludes my presentation and i'm available for any questions. >> thank you. project sponsor please. >> good afternoon, i'm with the local san francisco development firm. it's my pleasure this afternoon to present for your view 450 hayes street. we are here with partners who is

developing the project with us. together our group has a strong commitment to hayes valley and the market orange county -- all of which will fulfill the vision of the plan. this was a mark of -- after purchasing this parcel from the city we hired architects who worked with the market plan to design a mixed use building and reunite the east and west portions of the vibrant hey street corridor. this project will bring numerous benefits to the neighborhood and goals to

the market plan. it will take a plan and transform it into a landmark building. it will add units to the community. it will add five understood on-site to the community in fact all including housing in the neighborhood. it will limit parking to point 5 spaces per unit and will have 42 bike stalls to encourage modes of transportation. it will allow space for retail. it will be

environmentally sensitive by integrating storm water collection capabilities and finally it will create high density housing in a transit location that has regional mass transit lines and we have support from the housing authority. we have worked very closely with our tenants to ensure that our business remains open and accessible during the construction. we have eliminated a wall with response to their concerns. we ask for your support of this project today as recommended by the planning department. we believe the hayes valley neighborhood and city will benefit from this project. and

the elegant thank -- this structure will make. thank you for your consideration. i will present the architect who will discuss the design. thank you. good afternoon, i'm with hendel architects. i would like to describe the design of the project market went through the facts. if we could have the screen i can go through project. we were quite excited when approached by development and dge to contribute to the hayes project. we have done many projects in san francisco. when we approached the site we researched a lot about what this site was about. it has transformed over the years more