we would look to bring in human resources p. >> there are many international changes that would love to come into san francisco. they'll lyle like to have their chain here that we don't have currently >> thank you. >> thank you for this report. i know you have some or the of other data power points. i know that you have other numbers for spending from tourists >> i don't have those stats but i could make no mistake about it them up but we're third in bids behind new york. it's a higher shopping area they

do a lot more expenditures but i don't have those numbers >> i know that folks who visit from new york spend here. >> when you talk about the underserved? >> such as the midgets such as a the richmond we serve and neighborhoods that we serve with hospitals. a lot of times the people come in and they have to stay near the hospitals. that's another need. in the plan or in the process in midgets bay but no, the richmond district >> how much ridership there are and car uncle. i live along the f line corridor

>> we have probably the highest rate of air arrivals of any cities in the u.s. a lot of times in the midwest they're driving the visitors but we have them in by air. and they take taxi or use public transportation like the rails or trollies or whatever but they use public transportation here in town >> that's what we need to think about in terms of how the transit and what we look at. that's why transportation near the moscone is important >> i did not know that the

hotel community kids to do an assessment i think it's a great thing to do. >> commissioner. >> thanks for the report. just a question. doesn't our data capture a b and b do you have any information >> we think there are about 5 thousand rooms but since they don't collect hotel tax we don't have the data on the actual usage in san francisco. >> i mean, i agree with you that neighborhood hotels would be great to have. i guess the question is for planning can build the hotels on the street - i know there are hotels on hate by could you billed on market street and the

castro >> i believe yes, there were side limits but most of them would accommodate. >> why don't we see more? is it the economics. >> it's the economics of housing. >> it's the economics, in fact, one of the most expensive hotels to build is in this high area. it's becoming affordable - it's becoming practical again >> probably a 40 foot height limit is tough. >> it's tough because people want to stay i state initis at an bull and there were hundreds of rooms not a lot of smaller hotels. it would be interesting to balance to take the pressure off

people trying to rent their homes and build neighborhood hotels >> thank you very much for this presentation. i think part of the balance is protecting r0i78 residential stoke and i know we've got some good product but it's clear for the demand for more rooms and if we can do it open sites and build hotels and housing residential units at the same time would be best. so i'm kind of curious but as far as supply and demand to keep up with moscone's expansion of 5 hundred rooms. if you did build that suddenly do you think that the rates

would change but would the pie get bigger. how many people are we denying because it's too costly >> i think the pie would get bigger but the demand will be there for the additional rooms. those minimum 6 hundred rooms needs to be in one property. it's the key to being successive. so i think it will be successful i don't think it will negatively impact the city occupancy and rates >> thank you. i want to add two other comments for the need for hotels. we have great things outside lands happening and for the most part the business is going to stay downtown and if you want to limit some of the car issues

around ocean village would be great and there's also challenges >> thank you commissioner moore. >> i wish to - commissioner wu. >> i wanted to ask about jobs. how many jones do the industry provide. i assume their jobs for local people and if you have any sense of the wages of those jobs >> yeah. in the hospitality industry san francisco employees arena much higher wage than the national average because of the unions. i can tell you what th

>> it go deep into our economy. one of the interesting thing is where the people who work in the hospitality live. so some of the greatest benefits are the 230ekz who take home the

pay checks like the bay view neighborhoods and richmond neighborhoods are those who work in the industry and it's where the workers actually live >> commissioner moore. >> i appreciate the authorness of our work and to look at another cities to achieve hotel locations for example, the hotel industry is in great need. and i think the hotels are small and the city comes to mind just because there's a lot of convention that addresses the array to the word cities. i want to ask we're getting a lot of interesting presentations

having is there an ability to create an website where there's a library where people can retrieve information. i would like to get rid of the paper stacks which it's not necessary. >> that's a great idea we'll create a library on our website. >> it can be hotels or tourism or whatever to go by date and bring this up and refreshing your memory on the presentation. >> commission and a thank you very much. because i was associated with the participated traffic at one time and their cultural tougher than that impacts and did some work for them overseas.

it's interesting to hear about statistics in terms of museum composures and cultural tourists and people looking for historic issues. and i think generally that was found they spend more money so making a pitch for 3 kind of tourism. when we say convention hometown is horrify would that be different? can you characterize what they would provided because over the last 5 years we've been contacted twice by the peninsula chain. they were initially looking at a mark and the second time they were asking about off the hill

what might be available. but i think that's a different kind of hotel chain than what we're looking at for >> that's more a of a transient hotel. it should be minimum 6 hundred rooms with meeting space. the meeting space is critical because even if they're using the moscone center they're to have other meetings so to give you an idea. it's like the grandhystero on uncle square or the western market street it's the type of size that kwltsdz as the convention hotel and we do a convention campaign >> i read that who was in town

- i think it was a basketball team playing in oakland but they stayed here. >> typically the teams that play in oakland will stay in san francisco. navigate whole thing we had the glee cast they stayed in san francisco >> now because they office is near the gate can you do something about the two antique stores there. you know, every tourist is taking pictures and where are they going to stay when we get back home >> i know i can say that because i know the owner. >> yeah. living on the west

side of town i can add to the comments we need some small stores. and for people who might be using the government cougars on the west side of town or enjoying the coast. i'd like to see what kind of relationship you have with the folks around merced. i thought the site by lincoln park would be a great site for a small store >> okay. any other questions? >> thank you. i think that the number in details it was a well put together presentation.

>> again, you want a >> i'd like to welcome everybody back to san francisco regular hearing for august 1st, 2013. commissioners we left off on items 11 and 12 the waterfront transportation assessment both presentations and i'd like to take the opportunity for members of the public to silence any mobile devices >> i'm going to make most of this presentation. the purpose of today's briefing

>> would we have argue name, please. >> john ram with the san francisco planning department. thanks. the purpose of today is really to give you an overview of the waterfront planning and the history of the plan and the related plans and working with the port on those items. i'm joined. >> by two of my colleagues and also from the planning department. in the next several months and well next couple of years were going to be seeing a lot of the port activities. so this is the first of what we think will be a multiple discussion about the planning and development. this is really meant to be an

introduction to remind all of us about the history of the waterfront. i gave the same presentation to the port commission last month so they have the same eva's you have and diane made an introductory comment. so i'll ask diane to come up and talk about the planning waterfront roles in the last several years >> good afternoon president fong and members. i'm with the planning and port division payroll if i could - i want to express any comploenz to kerry.

so on behalf of myself as well as the staff and the port commission we wanted to express our presentation for everything she's left for us. i'm going to speak briefly as john indicated last month we did this informational presentation for the port commission to give an overview. we tend to look at what the commission is doing and we want the people to understand the planning and land use development issues we're facing in the city along the waterfront and follows a certainty tradition that's been set up over the last 10 or 12 years. i have a staff report i've given copies to be described.

it gives us an overview of what the waterfront planning process and the collaborative efforts have been that have manifested for properties down to the base i think that's memorialized in the waterfront plan. and that plan as many have you recall is something that was created at the initiative of a voter project that took the better part of ten years to look at the future of what the waterfront should be. a lot of that was focused on the changes on the northern half of the waterfront from the basin you up to fisherman's what have. and how the city had changed

upland to expand the downtown and create the northern gateway and left open the question of what should be happening along the piers and how is it we bring along the open front of the spaces and celebrate our resources and bring in newland uses that are relative to a changing face of san francisco while at the same time really recognizing and protecting the integrity of the maritime industries along the waterfront. the work that has been done has been reflected in the people that are now going up and down the waterfront it was to give

and open up the range of activities that would be developed along the waterfront and to a make sure that was planned in sync with the waterfront system and to make sure those opportunities awe violated us the chance to preserve those buildings. between the ballpark buildings it's been a successful effort overall and we're been working with the planning department to create joint design reviews both of our colleagues serve on to make sure the planning the citywide design prospective's

are integrated into the port projects but now we're shifting our focus to south of china basin into the waterfront area we're going to be taking a lot of the the accused from the efforts we've already made in the in her opinion half of the waterfront in terms of the calculation efforts and bring in mta. as you know, the tear down of the freeway and the creation of the boulevard was the creation initiate that was on the northern half of the waterfront we've had now 10 years under your belts and how now do we extend it south of basin. so we've been very happy to find

a very collaborative city effort to take a look at the growth and land use needs projected edify the next 20 years and how is it go back going to effect the neighborhoods and how is the port going to try and take it's accuses from the boarder citywide forces and bring them down to the waterfront so we can uphold our trust responsibilities. and as the arena project at pier 2022 and sea lot 37 and pier 38 the efforts for the multiple projects for parks and historic preservation and basically redoing the who san francisco to make a resilient to put in

sustainable infrastructure those are all efforts that the port commission needs to take on but it needs to take it's accuses from the planning commission. so the eastern neighborhoods plan in particular was an effort that the port followed on closely and it informed the planning and the further detailed work that the port do for the master plan, which is the jump off point for two private-public - public-private efforts on pier 70. i think the on come of the waterfront transportation assessment now that is mta is leading is a very integral development in terms of tying together the land use

transportation planning that we can as best as possible match the capital for the developments as they come on line. we're very pleased to have a collaborative relationship to build on. we're working with your staff in terms of looking at the new projects where i take large pieces of land and what are the new zoning and special use construction that should apply to those areas and and can it meet the economic and a financial needs of rebuilding infrastructure and integrating open spaces at very important strategic parts of the waterfront. i appreciate our tension on that as

back into this commission fairly regularly to try to get up e keep you updated. thank you very much >> thanks diane. so i'm going to go quickly through the presentation which i think you have in your packets and i - if i can have the computer. i always find it useful at the risk of being redundant to replacement us that the one plan adopted does provide and does project a fair amount of growth in the region over the next 25 years namely an increase of seven hundred households and 1 million jobs. and for the city, of course, that means an increase of 1 hundred though households and 2

hundred thousand jobs. we are, of course, of course - the regional will grow sustainable we're being asked to accept 15 percent under that growth and we have about 12 percent now. it's for o important to talk about that as we talk about the planning we're doing along the waterfront and the plans we've adopted over the past decade those plans do in the get us to those numbers so it's important to think creativity about how we recognize the large amount of growth it's only 15 percent of the recreational growth. the main point i want to make is what we're doing with other departments is really about cargo out the waterfront plan it was adopted in 1997.

it effects many of the goals and improvements it influenced our work in neighborhoods. the steps we've taken in recent years and the work we're doing provide very much recreational benefits. there has been some concern and it's been expressed lately that the city does not have an overview vision. i think part of the raison is that the plan has been adopted over 15 years ago. we often get this with the downtown plan it was nearly thirty years old. but we still think it's important to honor the plan and the work and the same is true of the waterfront.

it's 15 years in planning terms is not a long time. we tend to get a little bit im35ish9 but in terms of implementing a plan 15 years is not that long. its important for me and you to honor the work that creates those plans. i won't go into detail but it establishes a 5 sub areas along the waterfronts. it looks in dlafl over the waterfront and the details over the districts and those 5 sub areas. excuse me. one minute arrest plaintiff. and i think it's important to look at the combination of the waterfront plan that was done and the plans done subject to

that. it goes back to the time before the plan was adopted and certainly predates me. when i arrived 5 years ago i was part of the jury that reviewed the lots 37. so there's been a long time of planning and it's been almost as if we have a one time plan. but starting about the time that it was adopted and city agencies began the series of eastern he neighborhood plan, which included 4 areas. it was to accommodate growth near trait and in higher decent neighborhoods.