this proposal will tend to capture. >> all right, so that aspect, does that cover for example, an organization that has a project, you know, and has a big campaign, and that is endorsed by an elected official. does that count? i mean, elected officials endorse all kinds of programs and projects all of the time. >> i think that it could, if they were using an elected officials in premature to add legitimatecy in the appeal to the public. >> you mean if they used it for example in printed material? >> yeah. >> or the media campaign. >> yeah. let's say that we are doing a mailer to say right to the board of supervisor and tell them not to cut them for the fire cuts keep them all open. >> maybe the firefighters union will do something like that. and they would say, you know,

supervisors you are actually spear heading a movement to help us in gaining the funding that we need. please write or call the board right away. and that reporting would be captured whether or not the supervisor's names were attached to it or not. and you know, it is kind of that would not be it is not associated with like a ballot measure or something like that, so there is actually no political reporting attached to this. >> i see. >> does that answer your question? >> i think that it does. basically, the same thing is endorsed. and i was thinking more fire house number 9 and they and there is a particular initiative or some ballot measure that is endorsed by these candidates already. and then you list that or those candidates who have endorsed this particular initiative to

the fire house number nine and that will fall within this as well. >> yes. >> it gets tricky in the range before an election, anything that contains the candidate's names kind of becomes election material and therefore will be regulated differently. and i think that a good example and i hope that i, construct this correctly there was a prop f about fire houses. before it came into existence, there was a campaign to get the board not to put it on the ballot and not to create a ballot measure and so the spin on this was to put up i think billboards and send out mailings to tell the public and the board of supervisors that we don't want, the funding cuts and then it looks like it was coming any way and a ballot

measure came to rescind those cuts. but before that point it would have been expenditure lobbying and it was not associated with the candidate or a ballot measure. >> if is there an initiative on the ballot, and some individual wants to finance global calls, just does he or she have to report the fact that global calls that going to say vote for this initiative n >> they will have to report it as independent expenditures. >> right. >> in which case it is campaign finance reporting and that is already captured >> so at this time what is necessary, is to actually write

the language that could be incorporated into the legislation at the board of supervisors. >> if you like this direction, you know, we just need to indicate to ask and go ahead and go forward and draw up the proper legislation and we will give it back to you for the approval when it is drafted and send it over to the board. we don't need a formal approval. >> i wanted to hear from the other commissions that the preponderance after mr. bush brought this to our attention and believed that it was the tip of the iceberg and we find off an investigation and some research that it is eight over three years, and i wanted to hear from the other commissioners does it have bearing on what we are getting ready to move forward with?

one way or another? >> the subject and that there was no public comment. and that therefore, absent it does not appear to be a need under the present reporting requirements. and some someone wants to bring it back, i would... >> and i don't know why we want the staff to fuel the problem that the public apparently is not concerned about. >> and then we will have an additional opportunity to discuss this issue when the language comes back to us at

the next meeting. >> so that is... and do i want us to go forward. >> i think that we do. >> absolutely. i think that we all agree with that. >> we are going to do that and we don't need any formal action. >> very good. >> let's look at the minutes, are there any additions or corrections? >> that was your first meeting with commissioner andrews? >> indeed it was. >> and my name is spelled right. so that is great. >> that is the... >> thank you. >> and that is what is essential. >> the first and the last. >> and i make a motion. second. >> approve the minutes.

>> any public comment? >> for the minutes? >> hearing none, and all in favor of approving the minutes? >> aye. >> the minutes stand approved. and we want to consider the executive director's report. >> okay. >> so, the mayor has not signed it yet. so we are still not through the woods if you will, but the indications are good. so this bodes very well for us, and the delay in hiring and education out reach coordinator continues, and because the city won't let us hire someone until they have an approved list. the list i am told now exists.

and it will be distributed to us in the very near future and so we have been recruiting for that. >> so we can only recruit from the list? >> right. and we had an auditer retire and until that person has exhausted their vacation we can't begin to look for a replacement and so that is coming up and so this funding will allow us to hire another investigator. and which will be good. so we will be able to do the current investigators that are doing exceptionally good work and this will allow them to concentrate on fewer cases at a time and bring in the resolution and a satisfaction. and that is actually very, very good news and that is my own real highlight and the other thing that i would just point out is, 15 non-filers were referred to the fppc of the standing of economic interest. and this is out of six or 700

filers. and normally, we have 60 or 70 non-filers a year and so we have done a good job this year in spite of the responsibilities of transferred from one year from one staff to the other and so i am actually well pleased and so i wanted to point that out to you, if you have any questions i will be happy to answer those. >> commissioners? any questions? >> i just wanted to if you can hear from mr. st. croix, a caseload, do you have an optimum kind of caseload that you would be going for i suspect for this moment that it is higher that you prefer it to be. >> i don't have an actual number because we don't have any control over that. the number of cases divided by the number of staff, tempered with the th

and three is well and probably five or six, you move forward and you have to wait to move forward and several of our investigations are pending audits and they move at a different pace and at any given time we have 30 to 50 cases and the number of cases come in at a rate and a lot of them are dismissals and you are going to see many of those. for various reasons, mostly of non-jurisdiction and so i could not ideally what it is because it we do not fit if an ideal mold. >> okay. >> and am i glad to hear that. >> and any items for future meetings? >> public comment on the ada

report? >> public comment on the executive director's report? >> hearing none, we will move on to any propose td items for the future meetings? >> okay. is there any appearing or not appearing on the agenda tonight? >> we appreciate those of you who were here, to provide the public comment, thank you. and that concludes... >> the meeting is adjourned. >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> that adjourns the meeting of the ethic's commission.

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>> (calling names) president you have a quorum. >> ladies and gentlemen welcome to the july 24th san francisco police commission meeting. this is the last wednesday of the month we're going to meet and as we do the last wednesday of every month we meet out in the community. ? our farther promise. there's 10 district station so we do it 10 months out of the year and we take november and december off. captain will be our main event. we also before the meeting let you know about the commissioners and what we do in our day programs.

we have a special guest. i'm to iduce the supervisor please (clapping) >> i was going to do give you the big one. >> no, i just want to welcome everybody and thank you for coming out. we actually meet with our captain every month at argue station monthly meeting. it's one of our highest most heavy attended meetings. it shows that a lot of people in the neighborhoods care about public safety issue. i want to thank the commissioners to come out and meet with us in the district >> thank you very much. so ladies and gentlemen without further awe due to my left green dr. marshall >> dr. joe marshall i'm the

dosh director of the live and free boy's club. been in this building many times a form employee with the school district for years and i was out here a lot. nice to be here again. commissioner >> good evening and thank you for having us out it's a pleasure to be here. my name is viewingus i'm the vice president of police commission. i'm head of the labor and employment group of reed smith which is a law enforcement and my progression it litigation coming up >> hello, i'm sue i didn't i'm one of your neighbors.

i'm living and raising my family in the district. would have my daughters go to the neighborhood schools. my mom lives here with us i know they're going to pop-in here at one point so if you see kids it's not mine. thank you to supervisor tanking we love to come out out we're and it says a lot about the support from the supervisors. my background i'm a form prosecutor in san francisco and i see some colleagues ron from the district attorney's office. i come foot prospective to do everything with he can to make sure that the law and safety and use the best ideas are implemented. my day job i work not bay view

so i travel across the city where work in a health and wellness center for kids. we recognize from the public safety prospective it's not a case we can arrest our way out of kids are living in a bad situation so we support them. this is our farther time so, please if there's something on your mind take the time to share >> i'm tom. i'm a native san franciscan. my career i started off as an assistant district attorney and was an assistant u.s. attorney in the crimes unit.

i'm in a private practice we represent judges and attorneys. i love going to do every different community and coming here and hearing what's going on. so it's important to hear from you. we have our meetings at city hall we have a crowd that shows up but we're out here in your neighborhood so don't be shy. call item one >> prior to that commissioner i failed to froots chief of police and also ms. joyce hicks from item one chiefstizens

report. >> good evening. i'm greg your chief of police. i've been chief about two years. i grew up out here and went to school next door. i live in the district pretty much straight up the hill by hoover and certainly everything that happens in san francisco is important to me by you see it coming and going as i move around the district. our family grew up over by westportal we do come to this districts i take it like coming home. i'm going to a defer most of my time to the captain who's trying to hide. it's been my experience they will find you.

so we've been busy. we obviously had the one week where we had the plein crash but pretty much out for our last commission meeting there was an incident at 888 brendan street where a young man went into a jeweler mart and killed two women and injured another. officers were on their way back to the hall of justice and shots were fired at the officers thankful nobody was hit. they did a great work and stood their ground and got him and the weapon into custody. the mail victim is still alive by unfortunately not able to

save the two women arrest on saturday night the officers being in the right place pretty much drove into an active betwe with a dispute over the territory. luckily nobody else was hurt and the intersection was crowded and accident streets were crowded. one person engaged in the conflict was killed another was injured and the gun and the suspects were taken into custody and he's been referred to prosecution. the good news is those evidence are happening less often but their happening too often for anyone else's tastes but regardless the officers were where they needed to be and they're standing up for the folks who can't take care of

themselves in their situations up against some of the weapons. on a lighter side we continue to engage the children in san francisco first year our jobs program is about halfway through a lot of the kids with partnership with the sf giving kids optioned to make good choices. it seems to me to be working. we're but a small piece of the mayors overall program and i think the successes in having a quieter summer is due to a large part our kids are engaged. we had our first ever and we're partnered with the pacific islanders youth group in invitation valley and we're running a rug by camp.

we have a famous rugby smaller fellow about two or three meters which is 6, 6 about 3 hundred pounds and he's fast so i'm glad he only that plays rugby. anyway it's a wonderful thing to have girls role models and boys role models pr i have to give the credit to the rugby folks andor theon san francisco police department fountains and so i'mng stop there and defer the rest of envy comments to curtis but when

the evening it over it's been our tradition we stay around it would be nice to meet everybody >> i have a comment he want to do this during to the public. i want them to understand something. we in san francisco has been blessed with a string of very good police chiefs by you feel that and i'm not given to gratuitous comments but we are we have a particular blessing with the chief we have today. if you have not heard or listened to this chief over the last year or so then you've miss the opportunity to hear from someone connected to all sectors of our community. hardworking and dedicated and

smart but how he does his job. i want to thank the chief for also having an open door and fostering a sense of cooperation throughout the department and seeing a much improved police force in doing their duties. during the month of june people came up to me during the pride celebrations and it's made a remarkable difference to the department and shows in all the officers who follow our leadership. thank you very much for the job you do (clapping) and a thank you commissioner. and i appreciate the sentiment

but again, all the credit goes to the officers doing the work >> please call line item number b and we're going to save the public comment we're going to wait until after the presentation. >> line item 1-b review recent activities. >> good evening members of the police commission. supervisors and captain and members of the audience. i'm joyce hicks the director of the san francisco office of citizen clanlts in addition here this evening it senior investigator ed. it's a pleasure to be here this evening to speak with you about the office of citizen complaints. i've been to this empathies

community meeting in the past to talk about the occ so bear with me if you've heard this before. the occ is the third largest civilian oversight of law enforcement allocation in the united states only sewer passed in size by new york city and chicagos civilian oversight agency. the office was created by a board of supervisors sponsored chart amendment in 1982 so it was adopted by voters to have an office of citizen complaints. we're thirty years old we're became fully operational in 1983. we were originally with the san francisco police department but plac