may be before the voters. that funding or that campaign, is not reported? >> that is right. >> and that is kind of what this proposal will tend to capture. >> all right, so that aspect, does that cover for example, an organization that has a project, you know, and has a big campaign, and that is endorsed by an elected official. does that count? i mean, elected officials endorse all kinds of programs and projects all of the time. >> i think that it could, if they were using an elected officials in premature to add legitimatecy in the appeal to the public. >> you mean if they used it for example in printed material? >> yeah. >> or the media campaign. >> yeah. let's say that we are doing a mailer to say right to the board of supervisor and tell

them not to cut them for the fire cuts keep them all open. >> maybe the firefighters union will do something like that. and they would say, you know, supervisors you are actually spear heading a movement to help us in gaining the funding that we need. please write or call the board right away. and that reporting would be captured whether or not the supervisor's names were attached to it or not. and you know, it is kind of that would not be it is not associated with like a ballot measure or something like that, so there is actually no political reporting attached to this. >> i see. >> does that answer your question? >> i think that it does. basically, the same thing is endorsed. and i was thinking more fire house number 9 and they and there is a particular

initiative or some ballot measure that is endorsed by these candidates already. and then you list that or those candidates who have endorsed this particular initiative to the fire house number nine and that will fall within this as well. >> yes. >> it gets tricky in the range before an election, anything that contains the candidate's names kind of becomes election material and therefore will be regulated differently. and i think that a good example and i hope that i, construct this correctly there was a prop f about fire houses. before it came into existence, there was a campaign to get the board not to put it on the ballot and not to create a ballot measure and so the spin on this was to put up i think billboards and send out mailings to tell the public and the board of supervisors that

we don't want, the funding cuts and then it looks like it was coming any way and a ballot measure came to rescind those cuts. but before that point it would have been expenditure lobbying and it was not associated with the candidate or a ballot measure. >> if is there an initiative on the ballot, and some individual wants to finance global calls, just does he or she have to report the fact that global calls that going to say vote for this initiative n >> they will have to report it as independent expenditures. >> right. >> in which case it is campaign finance reporting and that is

already captured >> so at this time what is necessary, is to actually write the language that could be incorporated into the legislation at the board of supervisors. >> if you like this direction, you know, we just need to indicate to ask and go ahead and go forward and draw up the proper legislation and we will give it back to you for the approval when it is drafted and send it over to the board. we don't need a formal approval. >> i wanted to hear from the other commissions that the preponderance after mr. bush brought this to our attention and believed that it was the tip of the iceberg and we find off an investigation and some research that it is eight over three years, and i wanted to

hear from the other commissioners does it have bearing on what we are getting ready to move forward with? one way or another? >> the subject and that there was no public comment. and that therefore, absent it does not appear to be a need under the present reporting requirements. and some someone wants to bring it back, i would... >> and i don't know why we want the staff to fuel the problem that the public apparently is not concerned about.

>> and then we will have an additional opportunity to discuss this issue when the language comes back to us at the next meeting. >> so that is... and do i want us to go forward. >> i think that we do. >> absolutely. i think that we all agree with that. >> we are going to do that and we don't need any formal action. >> very good. >> let's look at the minutes, are there any additions or corrections? >> that was your first meeting with commissioner andrews? >> indeed it was. >> and my name is spelled right. so that is great. >> that is the... >> thank you. >> and that is what is essential.

>> the first and the last. >> and i make a motion. second. >> approve the minutes. >> any public comment? >> for the minutes? >> hearing none, and all in favor of approving the minutes? >> aye. >> the minutes stand approved. and we want to consider the executive director's report. >> okay. >> so, the mayor has not signed it yet. so we are still not through the woods if you will, but the indications are good. so this bodes very well for us,

and the delay in hiring and education out reach coordinator continues, and because the city won't let us hire someone until they have an approved list. the list i am told now exists. and it will be distributed to us in the very near future and so we have been recruiting for that. >> so we can only recruit from the list? >> right. and we had an auditer retire and until that person has exhausted their vacation we can't begin to look for a replacement and so that is coming up and so this funding will allow us to hire another investigator. and which will be good. so we will be able to do the current investigators that are doing exceptionally good work and this will allow them to concentrate on fewer cases at a time and bring in the resolution and a satisfaction. and that is actually very, very good news and that is my own real highlight and the other thing that i would just point

out is, 15 non-filers were referred to the fppc of the standing of economic interest. and this is out of six or 700 filers. and normally, we have 60 or 70 non-filers a year and so we have done a good job this year in spite of the responsibilities of transferred from one year from one staff to the other and so i am actually well pleased and so i wanted to point that out to you, if you have any questions i will be happy to answer those. >> commissioners? any questions? >> i just wanted to if you can hear from mr. st. croix, a caseload, do you have an optimum kind of caseload that you would be going for i suspect for this moment that it is higher that you prefer it to be. >> i don't have an actual number because we don't have any control over that.

the number of cases divided by the number of staff, tempered with the with the case. and three is well and probably five or six, you move forward and you have to wait to move forward and several of our investigations are pending audits and they move at a different pace and at any given time we have 30 to 50 cases and the number of cases come in at a rate and a lot of them are dismissals and you are going to see many of those. for various reasons, mostly of non-jurisdiction and so i could not ideally what it is because

it we do not fit if an ideal mold. >> okay. >> and am i glad to hear that. >> and any items for future meetings? >> public comment on the ada report? >> public comment on the executive director's report? >> hearing none, we will move on to any propose td items for the future meetings? >> okay. >> and add to at again agenda. >> is there any public comment on matters appearing or not appearing on the agenda tonight? >> we appreciate those of you who were here, to provide the public comment, thank you. and that concludes... >> the meeting is adjourned. >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> that adjourns the meeting of >> that adjourns the meeting of the ethic's commission.

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gentlemen and welcome to the wednesday of the san francisco police commission. thank you for joining us this evening. let's call the consent calendar >> receive and file action request and receive a ticket valued at the $244 for mr. kevin president of the verses cast for the youth engage program. and the request to be received if mr. norman new zealand resident arrest for presentation for the avoidance in locating a laptop >> the 7 tickets are to go to the kids in the tenderloin and the $50 certificate was for a

great deal officer. >> move to accept. >> okay. i'll move to accept. motion made by commissioner khan. public comment on the consent calendar items. hearing no public comment. all in favor of accepting the it items listed under the consent calendar say i. all opposed? any extension. those items are accepted by unanimous consented. >> the public is well, to talk about the subject matter of the

commission. they shall address the commission as a whole and not individually. under police commission rules of order the police nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by public. individual commissioners and police and occ personnel shall refrain from entering into discussion >> ladies and gentlemen the microphone is open for public comment. do we have any public comment? yes, ma'am >> thank you, commissioners. he's the cute it guy in the room. i'm coming to bear and bring again glad tidings. i want to contend the police

department on the up your alley and it was handled and you did receive the accomodation. she is a force to be recognized with. she might be about that tall but with her command voice of here's to herd pedestrians onto the sidewalk. she was able to get the fair participants and the merchants to pack up and move out. i've never seen my neighborhood get returned to itself as quickly as sergeant frazer was able to do that. i couldn't find a port a potty on the sidewalk.

i also said she had a situation arise which she handled quite well. there were a couple of nudity people who engaged in public activity. she told them they're not allowed and they got irate. well, she's by herself. likely someone from so-called security. came and excelled those guys from the fair and their band for life. as things turned out i saw loose o lots of folks. everyone was very well-behaved. i want to thank you. that was the right number of officers and if those jerks

filed a complaint against sergeant frazer you've got my accomodation. when i went to the gay pride fair. not having barriers around where people were dancing was good. and i think about a propriety for tenants who are harassed by folks. i'm having to find another place to live. i'd do it again >> thank you. any further public comment? >> good afternoon, commissioners.

i'm betty actually man a retired san francisco school district teacher. i a hate to put a damper on anyone but i have to say this. i moved into a new apartment building 701 golden gate avenue. on franklin and golden gate. since i've been there since march 1st i've been raped in my sleep over 20 times. i've acquired henry he's viruses i've been stalked and trespassers have come into my place. i've been hit with some type of concealed weapon.

i've been stalked by cabs and trucks and cars. they honk horns and some of them walk faster or try to hit me. everywhere i go noise abounds and people have high conversations. i have people turn their backs on me in unity. they stare at me and start reading books and emit some kind of substance from their body that tries to hurt me. i've been cyclely represented in my that apartment building. it seems like nobody wants to deal with that. i've called the police several times and that's been down. i've had to go to occ. now i do nothing but try to live

my life. i found out i'm a target. however, this target is not going away. i'm devanilla protected by god and he's the one that says whatever's going to happen if he wants me to go away or die. i need help. i've written countless letters to countless organizations and they do little you things. oh, you need a microwaive oh, i see this - i need the people to stop coming in and raping me. i found out they're trying to kill me as i sleep while i'm in the remedying period.

but i need help. i need help >> thank you, ms. tillman. >> any other public comment? >> all right. seeing e seeing none, public comment is closed. >> listen item 3 a the chiefs discussion updating the police commission recognize. >> grand jury before i go into our right activities i want to speak about a circumstance that occurred 7 years ago. last week we heard ms. paula brown more times then i can count. i see her at the hall of justice and i don't want the public to

think that the department has been less than cooperative. we had a homicide 7 years ago so i've invited our investigation buyer to give you a brief update and to make again, a very public plea for any information that would move this case along. >> good evening inspector. >> good evening. my name is is hector i'm the commander of chief investigations. i'm here to talk about the update. as the which kind of mentioned 7 years ago today a 17 people was shot in the intersection of

barkers street >> can we just stop you and acknowledge his mom ms. brown just joined us. >> some witnesses were at the scene and provided the officers with a partial description pr there were a bunch of people at the scene. he was trapped to the hospital where he died. the investigators were the first assigned. they met with ms. brown and interviewed approximately 21 witnesses within a few days. the witness we spoke with counsel identify the suspects. the two investigators canvassed the neighborhood and ms. brown organized vigils and marks to try to keep this in the public's

eye' d for additional witnesses. the ballistics were identified and all were met with negative results. investigator mahoney will continue to work with the narcotics officers and other investigator units. investigators obtained a reward for information. they kept ms. brown updated and provided her with avoidance. paulette brown has met with the city leaders and chief of police and leaders as well myself and other members of the police department to keep the case moving forward. ms. brown understands that this may be difficult. she has maintained the case in the public eye.

several broadcasts have been remembering the public of the reward and no tips. ms. brown came forward and presented a list even if names. she requested updates on the case and we provided those updates. we met with her and inspector jones has continued to meet with her and i have met with her in the past. we tried to do the best we can to follow-up and she understandss we're trying to do the best we can. investigator john miller has the case she met with him today. we did another announcement to put the case in the medias eye

in an effort to get witnesses to come forward. we continue to follow up on this case. the homicide cases have no statute of limitations. we also follow-up on those cases and try to develop leads wherever we here with the suspects were arrested we try to get more information. when witnesses we're aware of we're willing to ask them if they're willing to coordinate with the investigation. my make myself available and many if you, too to keep this case in the publics eye to try to develop information. i'll take any questions >> i'll only add to that as the commander said