chapter energy committee. we've got before you now a not to exceed rate that has been brought to be competitive with pg&e's rates, we -- the staff is working on more specific plans for a build-out as we speak and passage of these rates today is essential to these plans. we want to build. >> thank you very much, terry hakakuchi. >> my name's jerry takayuchi, most of my work is here in san

francisco. i'm a substation electrician for pg&e, member of ibw1245, i have five year widths the company, before i arrived here, i was working at the larkin street sub where the power was distributed to city hall and the civic center kolas -- comes from there. >> be kind to us. >> yeah, i work a lot of overtime to make sure that happens. you know what, we all want clean power, we all want green power. i have a hard time visualizing that the shell oil company is the one to provide that. this is a company that probably for centuries have been profiting from pushing fossil fuel products, okay. i think we need to be really careful about multinational companies coming over here maintaining that they're here for the greater good of the

community. perhaps it's unfair, but when i think about the shell oil company, i think of monsonto, at least with pg&e, it's a local company. >> alita dupree, welcome. >> thank you for the chance to speak to you today. i come here as a consumer of electricity, both indirectly and directly. i come here for the summer. i anticipate spending 120 days or so in san francisco and i'm spending a lot of time and some money here, and i believe it's time to take action. it's just like people who live

here year-round, i'm using this product, some of it's municipal and i ride the muni or go into the libraries, charge my phone or enjoy the lighting to do my reading or watch a film, and then some is indirect when i patronize various businesses in the city. i think this is something we can show the world and not just the people who live here but to the millions who come here to have this clean power program. we can give more people a reason to come here, see what you're doing here. i love this city. that's why i like to spend a lot of time here and meet a lot of nice people here, so i ask of you today to take decisive action and approve this not to exceed rate schedule so we can see clean power come into action in san francisco. thank you. >> thank you, mr. dupree.

mr. ed abrian. >> president torres, commissioners, welcome. my inlayed is ed abrian, and i'm a san francisco born resident, i was born here, raised here and i'll probably die here. now, on that note without environmental review, the sale oil plant, we have no way of knowing how it will affect our environment. >> thank you, mr. arthur fine stein. is arthur here? jed holtzman?

welcome. >> thank you, commissioners for the chance to speak. it's hard to go after a few other people because i feel like i have to respond to some inaccuracies that have taken place in my time, i just want to second what commissioner vietor said, the puc is saying that it will be impossible to get to a final build-out plan until this not to exceed rate is set so i was at the environment commission meeting marathon, they're upset there's an outline of a plan, i would like to point out there's an outline of a plan, we need to take action on this in order to get a plan. affordability was a plan. everyone was up in arms. a lot of work has been done by staff to bring that down to 11 and a half cent, ibew1245 is still using extremely high rates, probably the 14 and a half cent rates to scare folks away from the cc a, tell them

it is going to double their bill, now that the rate has been lowered just to get the bill down off the ground, they are now trashing the rec, saying it's not real green power, it's hard for me to see how they could want high rate and is low rates, it's hard for me to understand how they can get up and say that they're trying to work with staff and advocates in good faith to improve the program while running this campaign, but this weekend put hundreds of thousand of door hangers on doors trying to kill the program with inflammatory information, so i think if you're trying to improve the program in good faith, that requires changing your tactic in terms of putting infallacious information out there into the city, i would like a green new deal, i would like a huge, aggressive build-out, i think that's what everyone would like, my goal as

an advocate is to get shell and rec out as soon as possible and when this contract is done, hopefully we would reach the point that we are so sustainable in terms of a build-out program. >> michelle meters. >> hello, good afternoon, commissioners, sorry, aererbacker arthur had to leave but he is in support of passing it at this time. i'm the director of the san francisco bay chapter in the sierra club, we have 30 thousand members in alameda and san francisco county, we urge you to move forward. the contract that we are negotiating with shell, north america is for 100% california renewable standard energy as you know and it is i believe you'll see a letter in your packet that we're trying to put additional confines to encourage the use of union facilities energy production facilities.

that is only a contract for 250 to 30 megawatts of energy, the initial vision of cleanpowersf is for almost 250 megawatts of energy, the entire load of the non-municipal build rinsing san francisco is over 500 megawatts of electricity consumption at its peak, there is a lot of room for this program to grow and where we want to take it is local renewable generation that creates good, green jobs, local green jobs. what we need to do is establish a rate base so that we have some leveraging ability to do that local build-out. your staff has done a good job of bringing the price down so people won't opt out of the program that people can afford to stay in, pg&e have resources to garner from their huge rate base in order to develop a small amount of renewable energy. woe need to have a competitor to that so we can offer san francisco a choice of renewable

energy and we encourage renewable to enter the program, it is relatively modest from the beginning, 20 to 30 megawatts but we can grow it however we want, it is a public program and that is what we need to start here today, we need to pass the 11.5 not to exceed rate when san franciscans is sign up for their own renewable energy option. thank you. >> sue bonn. okay, let her know she can come back. jennifer derkins, alright. gwen mcallin. there you are: my name is jennifer deergin, i'm a resident of san francisco, i want to thank the commissioners and staff for all your work, i

encourage you to pass the rates today so the program can launch next spring and now's the time to pass the rates, thank you. >> thank you. [inaudible] outside? okay, don weiss with marine energy? this is our second witness from marine -- don't you guys work over there? >> yeah, luckily we're very close, it's just across the road. >> welcome, thank you very much sh it's a pleasure to be here, my name is dawn weiss, i'm the executive officer for the marine energy authority, and the questions and issues you guys are all grappling today are not new when our clean energy program grappled with many of the same issues with our early start-up, i'm happy to report the program works, in fact, we've been able to exceed a lot of our expectations ahead

of schedule and we've been able to prove that a lot of the initial fears of the program were unwarranted. as of this month, we are serving over 120 thousand customers throughout marine county and the city of richmond. because of our existence, any customers in our region can choose pg&e's 19% renewable program, our light green 50% renewable program or our deep green renewable program, those are three choices, right now in san francisco, there is only one, we bring in revenue and we are solely funded through a revenue stream of rate payers, not tax payers, our rates are competitive and lower than pg&e rates for almost all customer classes, i have a joint comparison that we compared with pg&e and mailed out to all customers in our shared territory last month and i'm

happy to share that with you all. >> thank you. >> we have contracted for power since our launch from 17 different supply contracts. many of these are to build new california based renewable supply. quite a few of which have launched just in the last six months, that's again new renewable energy supply being built to serve our customers in california, that's what's happening with our agency, we're creating new jobs and creating more renewable energy under the grid under long term 20 and 25 year contract, our most recent power supply contract is with cal time for sonoma produced geothermal pow e it has 578 employees in northern california and their local construction programs have employed more than 1200 union workers. as a public agency, we're proud to be able to support union workers and prevailing wage

workers. we've already begun local build o*ut from the solar installation, we've identified new sites for solar at transportation port and is non-profit organizations within our service area, they're in early planning stages, we provide service to almost 2 thousand net energy metering customer that is are generating their own power on their rooftops getting power to our load and the installation of our airport project created 20 jobs through the 20 month construction phase through our feed-in tariff and as well as the feed-in tariff , it also generated new jobs w we pay for those programs to promote local jobs. >> we have lofted two minutes per witness z. >> this year, we also launched

a 4.1 million energy program that's available to cc a programs that launch. we understand there are complexities involved and encourage you to keep in mind by taking action to move this program forward, you are allowing your rez densest and businesses a choice in the energy provider, you're simply ensuring your community will have one option. >> the geothermal, is that where the fracking is occurring? >> no, that's a natural gas product that stems from fracking, geothermal is very different. >> i wondered if that's where the access was. >> geothermal power sa california certified renewable product which is different from natural gas which is a fossil fuel. >> and you don't use natural gas at all? >> we do use conventional power to cover the balance of our supply, beyond the 50% renewable and the 100% renewable, there are some

customer that is choose our light green power which is 50% renewable, and you'll see a breakdown of the different products that we provide and which are renewable and which are conventional. >> what i found interesting is you're partnering with pg&e where the partners here are preventing pg&e. >> a cc a program is a partnership with the incumbent utility, we work with pg&e to provide service to customers, customers in our territory continue to get their bills from pg&e, we ever been working in partnership for the last three years and i must say it's been going well over the last year and a half and we have a good working part ner ship that's meeting the needs of customer ins a cooperative way. >> it didn't sound like cooperation from the previous

witness. >> i would echo the sentiments of the first speaker in the words that i used just now is that in the last year and a half, we've had a cooperative relationship with pg&e but the comments made earlier is accurate, we had a difficult launch, nrfs a lot of misinformation nufp of what i'm hearing today, kind of getting some flash backs, a lot of misinformation that is not grounded in fact that can make it difficult as a decision-maker to make a clear decision to move forward, the ceqa concept that's being brought up, the job loss at substations doesn't make any sense as i described, pg&e continues to serve customers by distributing the power, delivering the bill, they continue to employ the ibew workers that you're hearing from today, there hasn't ban loss of jobs from pg&e in our community, they've had to add some folks to provide support to our team. >> you've added 20 jobs?

>> we have an in-house staff of 17 folks, we also have a team of outside consultant that is provide additional support to us and then we have a team of vendors who are providing energy efficiency and renewable installation services in addition to that, so if you add up the jobs created and the services purchased in our community, there is an impakts, a positive impact to our local economy. >> great, thank you so much and keep up the great work. >> thank you so much. >> jay carmona. >> welcome. >> good afternoon, commissioners, i'm sue von, you called me earlier, i'm with the sierra club >> >> what happened to jay? >> in line. i am with the sierra club, and we -- as john rizzo testified earlier and as michelle testified earlier, we do support these not to exceed rate and is we urge you to

adopt them. and get this program off the ground. this is historic in nature, i'm a student of history, used to teach history, this is the kind of thing that should go down in history and first one of the major american city adopting this and getting this program off the ground and your names will be attached to this so you should do this with pride. your children will be grateful, your grandchildren will be grateful and i'm peeling to sentiment here, and i would be grateful also. and as a member of the sierra club, we look forward to working with you and i also want to say, i hear some hissing in the background and i want to say we look forward to working with labor because this is going to create jobs and new jobs, competition, it's the american way, there will be jobs with the cleanpowersf program and hopefully they will be good jobs. please adopt these not to

exceed rates. thank you. >> well, i'm sorry if somebody missed at you. if i find that again, i'll remove them from the roof, that's not appropriate behavior. jay carmona, he's referring to gwen, welcome. >> i'm gwen, you called me earlier, i've been a supporter, i believe the current not to exceed rates for the program are affordable to the majority of san franciscans to expand most of our city and find a local build-out creating green jobs and a sense of pride. i want to encourage you not to be in the shell shock campaign, this is clearly an attempt by pg&e, to maintain the monopoly, if cleanpowersf were not a greener energy portfolio than the one we already have, we would not have strong environmental records such as

supervisor john avalos, supervisor mar, assembly member tom ammiano, i appreciate this is a historic opportunity for our city to move forward and set an example for the rest of the country. we cannot afford to wait any longer. i look forward to being a cleanpowersf customer in the spring. thank you. >> carl bernadeto. >> thank you, commissioners, i am a resident for 11 years in san francisco and speaking as a resident, i'm in support of clean energy and cleanpowersf, for the record, i agree with everything that michelle meters said from sierra club, i don't want to repeat all that, i worked for a utility for ten years and when it was a monopoly, it became basically had to get competition and i just want to say that this is an amazing program that provides competition and i think pg&e will move forward in

a more aggressive way to attaining renewable goals and this is just fantastic, it's a platform to move forward in a very -- as a foundation to add in best and quest features like feed-in tariffs, we can look at marine energy authority and all the of things they've done and i believe this program will enable that. i also am a supporter of full disclosure and transparency, [inaudible] i believe the father of one of the commissioners and i wonder if that's a conflict of interest. i have no idea if that's fraou or not, when it's the alliance of jobs for sustainable growth by [inaudible] is that a

conflict of interest i guess is my question. and one quick other -- >> are you asking for a legal opinion? >> i don't know, i'm just wondering -- maybe i just wanted to point out -- >> if you want to make a charge, i want to know what it is. >> it seems to me like it may be a conflict of interest. >> you're going to throw it out anyway. >> to me, it seems like a conflict of interest. >> is that seems like hip -- hi pock cas si to me. >> does it? i know that pg&e currently contracts michelle and i would like to put that on the record. >> i asked our city attorney and it's not a conflict of interest, you can rest well tonight. >> thank you. >> you have the right to petition your government, there's no financial interest involved, so -- >> okay, thank you very much.

>> so rude. jay camona, thank you, thank you for being so polite. >> thank you, commissioners and staff, my name is jay carmona and i'm here to share the enthusiasm and commitment for pursuing a clean energy future for the city, 50 people.org builds a movement to stop the climate cies shilling, atmosphere 402 passed, a level not previously seen for many years so the stakes are high, we are already seeing consequences of climate change both around the world, across the country and here, record heat, dw*es stating drought, wildfires and super storms and this does not compare about politics but climate change is a problem that must be add deed with real policies and infrastructures at the city level right away, cleanpowersf is a big step to addressing

this problem and we have strong preservations with the contract with shell, cleanpowersf is a true step, 350 .org is leading a global campaign and we look forward to discussing how to reinvest money from fossil fuel investments into clean energy jobs and infrastructure in this city, i ask you to complete your not to exceed rate setting task so cleanpowersf in san francisco can move forward and as a beacon of leadership addressing the climate crisis, moving forward is critically. >> thank you for speaking so swiftly. >> you're welcome. >> michael turo. alright, al winera.

okay. jim lazarus, san francisco khaim be, i thought i saw him in the back, there he is. >> cameron bingley, and david zedcar. >> jim lazarus, san francisco xhaim ber of commerce, the chamber has consistently said to this commission, the board of supervisors, the rate fairness board that beear using a flawed system to develop a come petite plan that will cost san franciscans more taking those dollars out of the local economy. while cleanpowersf does not meet the state's community choice aggregation goal, you have to remember that out of -- as i'm sure former senator torres does, out of the crisis from 13 years ago, the state passed laws which it was the intention we bring competition

to stabilize what available resources lower cost to consumers. this doesn't do that. every dollar that a consumer spends which will go out of san francisco by in large in this program is a dollar not spent in san francisco. that's why we cannot support an opt-out program. if we want to get into the energy business in san francisco, if our local utility which has a green tariff proposed at the state public utilities commission right now had an opt-out proposal in that tariff, the board of supervisors would pass a resolution on the immediate consent calendar to oppose such a rate that would raise prices out nautically for san francisco residents who didn't opt out. the rates proposed here are not fair to consumers, the opt-out program isn't fair to consumers whether it's business or

residents, we urge you to send this proposal back to your staff. thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. lazarus, thank you for your hard work over the years. >> commissioner, michael terry, we as a council do not have a formal position on the setting of rate, we have established the three prince unless the labor councils, in that regard, we have -- i will confirm positive conversations with your staff. the conversations, i will offer some corrective supplement, yes, we do acknowledge that to require that all power production and maintenance and operation be performed union is a reach, however, we do believe it is entirely appropriate for the commission to insist as you ask its staff to work out standards for wages and for

benefits for that production. tla's entirely within your purview, i think it is unfortunate that she cast some doubt about a project labor agreement for the work, and did not actually tell you what the criteria were for having the project labor agreement with the city. i believe that it's very straight forward and that it requires that there be some advantage that the city gains by having a project labor agreement and i'll give you one example in this particular context, every one of our project labor agreements has a dispute resolution agreement to which contractors and trades are bound, you've been told a problem with the production of solar power in this town because of jurisdictional disputes, that problem goes away with a project labor agreement, so we have given her an example of an energy

retrofit agreement for a half million dollar project for the housing development, it is a very effective agreement, it is extending that to 43 additional properties and quite a bit more money and we're now in discussions for the same amount of work, so we look forward to working with you one way or another. >> thank you very much. >> cameron? welcome. >> thank you very much for letting me speak today. i just want to say i'm a student, four years and resident of four years here in san francisco and of environmental studies, due to the state of the changing climate, we need to start our transition to 100% renewable energy, cleanpowersf will help us do that, it's renewable energy, cleanpowersf will give residents to encourage local renewable energy infrastructure and global green jobs, the

rates are low and competitive and should be passed today. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> hi, i'm david zepgar, i want to thank the commission and staff for all the work that eve done to date, i'm concerned about cleanpowersf, i would feel better knowing that all of my energy was renewable and for that reason, i urge you to approve the not to exceed rates today so we can get this program rolling as soon as possible. thank you. >> al winera. he left? okay. eric brooks. alright. dr. espanola jackson. >>