it's too fluid. property 1, the recommendation will not be implemented. we are not going to feel that position is required and we are solving that problem in a way that we think is a better service. six, i think former principal chang, summed up 135 van ness, $235 million challenge which we think which is compared to what's happened in los angeles and detroit and other cities in the countries have a higher price tag is doable and formable obstacle. we are implementing it and we have a deep breath and a long way to go. >> i apologize for that. >> mr. golden, it's great to

have you here and i think you are being modest in terms of everything that's been accomplished in the last few years. what is the cost of the school of the arts, is it's $235 million or is it higher? >> we just actually retained a different architect because we think there is a connection in that community and our community to refresh the program, refresh the design and put a new cost estimate. that camen last month. it looks like $235 million. we have to recognize it's a school and because ideal with the division of the state architect, my cost are 25 percent, more than it would be to build any other building in san francisco. it's a higher standard because it's like building a police station or hospital. los angeles

unified was over $300. it's not out of like for what you see on a project. hayou very much. >> is that it? any other person presenting on this item? i don't think so. all right. thank you very much. supervisor campos. >> thank you madam chair. i want to first of autumn, -- all i want to make a couple points. first let me tell you that i have served on a number of committees on this board. one of my favorite committees is government and audit and oversight and one is the civil grand jury reports. i think it's a really great thing when citizens who have different background and expertise dedicate their time and provide

their objective and analysis for those of us who are making policy to see. i am so grateful to every member of the civil grand jury. when you have people like mr. walker and paul chang talking about real estate properties and agencies and agencies like the school district where he was president and marshall, can you imagine having the benefit of that kind of expertise and knowledge where you can actually hear from this person on this important issue. it's incredible. i'm very grateful. this is a complicated issue and i think that a lot of progress has been made. i do appreciate the fact that civil grand jury has consently gone back to this issue because it's one of those things that you need to consistently keep an eye on and i think we can do a better job

at the city and the school district. that said, i can tell you with the school district, i started as a lawyer at the school district about 14 years ago, the district did not know how many properties it owned. it took some time to get to the point where you actually have a basic inventory of that. and mr. golden who has been there 10 years and lasted more than any facilities directors has done an incredible job of moving the district forward in terms of maximizing the use of it's assets. i will be honest, i think it's important on how you figure out how you leverage those assets, on a general rule i do have apprehension anytime the school district talks about selling property especially to a private party. i think it's different when you are selling it to another government agencies, whether it's another institutional agencies, but

because the district owns so much real estate, there has been pressure on the school to sell sefrp properties. for example the shopping center, where nordstroms is in the middle of near union square, there was litigation because someone wanted to buy that land which is owned by the school district. i'm glad the school district did not sell it. because the assets of the school districts are assets that belong to the kids and the families and the needs to the district change. if you sell something like that, in 10-30 years you are going to regret it. i think that we are in the right direction. we are where we need to be. i do think that we can be more proactive on things and one area that i hope where more progress is made is the issue of housing. i'm

grateful for the school district and mayor's office for the level of coordination that's happened. i think we need to see more of that. there is the property on 1950 mission and others, one area we've tried to make movement on and haven't done is housing for teachers which is required in the contract for the teachers unions. we have had a lot of false starts. we need to find a way of making san francisco affordable for teachers and i hope that we do more of that. i certainly will continue to keep an eye on this issue because as much as we have come very far, i do think that we have some ways to go. i think we are headed in the right direction. i tell you if you told me 10 years ago that we would be where we are i would say you are out of your mind because we

are so far behind. i think the school districts looks into them and i hope the city agencies also look into them. another example on the city end where i think it's taken so long to where we have something concrete. we have been talking and mr. uptike notes and he's been doing a great job too but it's challenging. we have properties like serving the needs of day laborers, we have those conversations around that project when mare -- mayor lee was city administrator and here we have. we have to keep pushing as much as we have made progress. let's take

public comment. no public comment. public comment is close. >> colleagues, we need to decide on two items. we have two findings and two recommendations to decide on before us. first i would like to entertain any thoughts? supervisor campos? >> i do with respect to, i assume finding 3 is the first finding that we are looking at which is the purpose of which the surplus property ordinance was adopted are too narrow and

i actually trying to find the mayor's response to -- i actually agree with what the mayor said because i think it's true that it is narrow, but there is reason for that. so i certainly agree with that statement that the mayor's office made. >> it sounds like we are in unanimous agreement with finding for no. 3. supervisor tang? >> just moving object to finding no. 4? this one talks about current practice an allowing the city department and to keeping the property in the surplus list in definite for any consequence. i would like to make a motion to disagree in part. i recognize the school district has

demonstrated need, yes while there are surplus properties out this and challenges to school entities. i wanted to disagree in part in that one. >> i agree with that assessment. it's a partial disagreement because there are specific requirements the school has to follow under the ed code and this answer reflects that. >> all right. i think there is a unanimous agreement in that. in recommendation no. 4 we have a disagree in part. are there any comments? >> are those just findings or are we going to recommendation? recommendation, okay. >> now we are going on to recommendations. supervisor campos did you want to contribute? >> with respect to

recommendation no. 3, which i think it's the board of supervisors should amend chapter 23 a to include incentives for the departments to identify and surplus property, i think the board of supervisors should consider ways of at least amending. i'm not sure that i believe we have to amend right now, i think it's a consideration. >> maybe i would recommend that we say agree but requires further analysis to return within 6 months. >> okay. so further analyze. -- analysis. the scope to be to have an idea of how you would like to define the scope of the analysis? >> to within a six period of time to work with the city department and the department of real estate to make sure that we can -- or to examine what are some of the ideas that

we have to amend the administrative code of chapter 23 a. okay. supervisor campos, how does that language sound? >> that sounds good. thank you supervisor tang. >> okay. are there any languages changes to the resolution that either one of you want to? okay. seeing none. okay. >> recommendation no. 4. >> that's right. recommendation no. 4. is there any discussion on it? >> i don't know that -- i think i understand the point that the civil grand jury is making demand that sense i agree in part, but i also think there are limitations certainly in

terms of what the school district can do because of the code and i don't want this to be interpreted to mean that properties should be on the surplus list for a period of time and after that period of time you sell it because i think that would be a mistake. maybe. -- >> to perhaps agree because as we are saying that we don't necessarily agree we should dispose of property but very much would like to have discussions with school district officials to ensure that we can sit down and think out what are some of the strategic plans and vision for property in 10-30 years. we have an under utilized school that we get asked about a lot and i would be happy to meet with school officials on that.

i would say we agree in part. >> supervisors, the options are to has been implemented has not been implemented, further analysis and will not be implemented. further analysis? okay. >> i think it's further analysis. >> and to discuss with the city department, is that the same or prior one? >> yes. in the same time period. >> the one thing i would add because there is some confusion with school districts, when the school district is short of cash, why don't you stem sell the property and bringen money. i think it was limited with what schools can do with that money. when you do sell property, you cannot use that money for operational purnsz.

-- purposes. you have to invest it back. this isn't an asset that belongs to you and me. it belongs to all of us and no the the current kids but the future generation of kids that could benefit from it. i think the approach that is being taken is a good balance between being aggressive and caution. >> thank you very much. we have weighed in on the two findings and two recommendations. i would love to entertainment a motion. >> so moved. >> thank you very much. >> motion to continue the hearing to the call of the chairs since we have a further analysis required and motion the resolution to be forward today full board of supervisors. >> you have to accept the amendments to the resolution including your responses to the recommendation. >> thank you very much. may i have a motion to accept.

>> so moved. >> let me get it out, supervisor campos. >> i get excited about real estate. >> okay the motion has been made and accepted to the recommendations in the findings. okay. now. >> now i would like to have a motion to the call of the chair and to item no. 5 and to the board of supervisors. >> thank you very much. all right. so be it. madam clerk, is there any other business before this committee? >> no, that concludes our business for the day. >> thank you, everyone. thank you very much. meeting is adjourned. >>

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quarter to 2:00. first adam. >> roll court. >> commissioner king. >> here. >> commissioner moran. >> and torres and vietor is excused. >> we have approval of september 10, 2013. commissioners. >> i'm over approval. >> second. >> it's been moved and approved for the minutes of september 10, 2013. are there comments on the minutes. public comment is closed. call for a vote. >> say i. >> i. >> a pose. there's no opposition, the motion carries. >> next item is public comment on any item not appearing before the commission today. i have one speaker card but is there any general public comment? seeing none. public comment is closed. next item. madam secretary. >> public comment. >> oh, sorry about that. why

don't you come up and say your name, please. >> thank you. i'll be very past. madam clark and i have met with you before. i'm wearing three hats today, one for the 12 member trust where i'm an advisory and vice president of the board and i've talked to you before. the last time i talked to you was before we went to camp. and you were there and leaving late saturday not knowing the fire had started. so the two things i want to share with you is the trust is going to work and i'm taking them first because this thursday, they have already begun to fund raise to help with the river and i apologize to you. my printer ran out of ink at the last moment so i have some copies but if anyone would like to have a copy. that's wonderful program and it's going to happen in oakland. i want to also let

you know that the friends of camp mather are working very hard to have a fundraiser and do a major event probably in january. that's what we're aiming at again to help restore and bring two camps -- the things that need to happen even though the fire didn't make it to camp mather. there was quite damage. he flew over and commented on how devastated he was about seeing from the air how much damage had been done. i want you to know that you have two groups that thier owely that's going to help. with the party on thursday beginning. i want to thank all the staff at puc for all the

work they've done. i know that for you and for the staff, this has not been an easy, what, is it two months now or a month and a half. and if you're like me you feel a great deal of sadness about what happened in the mountains. my final thing is a very different hat. actually the chair for the environmental and natural resource form at the club. i'm going to share with you the programs we have with you this month because low and behold, these get planned. i plan these six months in advance so these were already planned. this month there's a lot including a very important program from the wreck center on the colorado river. if you didn't know as i didn't know until i heard from them that the delta, the colorado delta has gone bone dry. you need to let your friends know that we need to take a look at not only

what's happening in california but the colorado and other rivers of the world. so i have a few of these and again i apologize for not bringing you more. >> thank you very much ann for being here. i think we will get a fire update from carla. it's appropriate to appropriate what you said earlier about the san francisco firefighters. as much as there's a lot of sadness surrounding those events i would say that san francis cans are important and taking care of our precious resources. is there any other general public comment. hearing none. next item. madam secretary. >> item 5. commissioner. >> moran. >> the water strategy, i would ask that that be calendared at

our next meeting at a discussion items. i've given comments to staff and i would like to have a more in debt discussion. >> without objection, so ordered. commissioner king. >> nothing. >> okay. next item, is there any public comment on communications. seeing none, public comment is closed. next item. >> item six is other commission business. >> commissioners. seeing none. next item, madam secretary reported in general manager. >> good afternoon, the first item we would like to give you an update of the rim fire. we want to update you at every commission meeting as we indicated before our focus in recovery mode and michael carlin will go over the details but we're looking at opportunities to really work

with the other agencies to coordinate our efforts and look for opportunities where if we have to invest we want it to look for our partners who participated in the rebuild of our system to participate if there's any emergency work. so we're looking at providing local opportunities as we look at this disaster. so michael, can you talk more about it. >> certainly. good afternoon, michael carlin, manager. i'm going to give you a brief update activity since the last time we've talked and show you some pictures and i'm going to ask mr. rydstrom to talk about the cost associated with recovery and those discussions. just to recap the summary of the fire, as of yesterday 257,000 acres and containment is going to be done by november 1st. if you remember originally it was september

20th and that has changed. the fire has gone into two percent of the hatchy water, but it's less than that. we have confirmation from our folks and from the federal teams that have been on the ground going in the burned areas. and part of the strategy that they have right now that is uncontained in the steeper areas in cherry water is smoldering out and we did have rain that fall. there was no significant run off and it did aid in the fire suppression efforts knocking it down. we still have a smoldering fire at this point in time. of course now it hasn't really affected our act to serve our customers high quality water. water quality continues to be high or to affect our power customers as well because we have been meeting the municipal power needs. the power houses are

run this point. we're in the recovery phase as general manager kelly mentioned. we're working with the emergency response team, bear team is what they're called. we have had our folks out there with them assisting them and working side by side with them. lastly we've actually engaged a consultant to conduct a natural resource assessment. this is on the cutting edge but the values that we are observing in the water shed, whether or not we can translate into a monetary damages and then submit that it's a claim under our insurance or through fema or the general government. we're taking advantage of what we've learned from other water companies that have experienced wild fires in the past couple of years. now the

pre-pictures, it's always good to have a few. here's a picture from the september of 17th. you can't tell there really was a fire there. that's the north rim. you're looking toward the damn. i showed you the picture that's on the left on the screen from our last update, the ash isn't visible on the damn. the damn is clear. there's no smoke in the background. it's blue skies but we do have damages. these are not before and after shots but it gives you an idea that there's areas that have been burnt out where the trees have gone at this point in time and we've removed some of those hazardous trees and there's some vegetation left on the side of the road but you can see burned patches. this is looking down on the home power house. we talked to you about the roof being damaged, the home power house is being repaired right now. but you get a sense that coming up that

canyon that we didn't lose anything around the home power house. it's safe and in tact. these are the distribution lines that we talked about last time and you can see the coal repair -- actually it's underway right now, but these poles were damaged and taken down. as part of that you can see we got quite a few poles that we have to replace. just another shot of the cherry bridge line clearing. we've gone in there quite a bit dropping a lot of trees along the roads we we need to have access to get to our facilities. this activity have gone on for the past couple of weeks and we're about complete with that at this point in time. so what are the phases of the bear coordination? the first is just the basic on the ground repair of fire suppression from where they did build those lines and hand lines so those are being

cleaned up and the bear team is going in and looking at what can they do in the immediate wild fire threat to life property and other cultural resources. this is really where we're working with them, what can we do right now today on the ground to stabilize? what is the long term outcome? what is it going to look alike? it's going to be put together in a report that will come to us and we'll present it to you. our folks are integrated with these teams and working with them and spending time with them in the field so we'll have an understanding of what will occur in the areas that we're concerned about. so just to kind of summarize a little bit, both curriculum wood and home power houses are both up and running at this point in time. major damage appears to be the

distribution lines and we have 300 to 400 that we need to replace. we have slip that will be looking at what we can do between now and winter and then once again in the spring. the damages assessments were 83 percent complete. looking at our facilities we've taken care of the immediate debris. there's still work that needs to be done. the and distribution polls are in process and we hope to have most of those done by the end of the month or some time next month. and we're starting to clean up the culvert in the event of fall snow and rain. i'm going to turn it over to mr. rydstrom. >> before you shift, what facilities were