here because of this issue. and the reason that i learned about this and everything that is going on i have been clubbing forever and let's say that i am 42 and i have been clubbing longer than i should have, younger than i should have. but, noble actually is... i didn't actually know that you should call the police until... i am originally from new york and i have been here for 12 years, i have no idea a club was allowed to be this loud and i have gone to clubs in queens and los angeles and all over this country and people are like screaming and you know, downing liquor and then literally watching them get in the car and drive off like totally smashed. i have called the police a few times to be honest, and at first i didn't. when they opened, i am like middle aged and weird and i am one of those people. but that is actually not it at all. it is actually a quiet street that we are on. we are only 2 blocks straight up from here, we are not like in the tenderloin, i tell the people that and that is

important because on the corner where noble is, the embassy hotel, because it is a very neighborhoody, and some of the tourists and a lot of the tourists from europe and a lot of them from france and could i help you with something and you see them with the map and the coffee shop was there and they asked me about noble. and they asked them, and they asked why is this club so loud? i don't know i have nothing to do about that. but they complain to me. >> next door to that is a homeless shelter and i have talked to the people there and they don't want to say anything because they feel very strange to say anything because it is a transitional housing for family and they don't want to rock anybody's boat. but, everybody knows about noble, i mean it wakes you up. for example when my birthday is on a tuesday i went out on a saturday afternoon and i got home and i was asleep by ten or eleven. noble woke me up even though i

had been drinking that is how loud the people are. i mean, they scream. i was like i don't understand why everybody is screaming. and they are throwing glass bottles and i have seen so many fights. and i mean, i swear i should just record all tf because it is actually not, and it is actually every weekend. and it is almost every night, noble is open. and it is just that only the really bad things get like reported. and there were shots, actually last year before the i didn't even know that i should contact the local police commissioner or whatever his position is, but any way, i have in that process and so i have been keeping track. but this is not new. it has been happening since noble opened. >> thank you. >> hello, my name is (inaudible) and i have been living in the block for 38 years, and this is the worst that i have seen, and i am scared even to be around there.

>> and in the 70s, nothing like that bar. >> thank you for keeping it brief. >> next speak snerer. >>vy been in the neighborhood for a couple of years >> karin alovera and this club is nothing that i have ever seen, i wanted to make money and put a web cam on the corner and it would go so viral and like what they were saying, the people come out of there and they were not normal people, not even normal drunk people, the women are screaming or crying and the men are yelling, and it is like men are yelling at men, women are yelling at women, and through the whole thing, let's go, let's go, let's go. and so, yeah, the music wakes me up, every time they are out there, and every time that i want to call the police, i only called the police once, but, i would love to see the place shut down, i feel sorry for

them. but, you know, when i did stay at the embassy hotel once, it was about a year ago. and the sound from the club goes up to the fifth floor. because i was on the fifth floor and it was booming and rocking my room. in the hotel. and i think that most of the patrons are european and so they come to the hotel once and will never go back and but as far as the people on the streets, you will get a stragly really drunk and mentally ill person walking down our street once in a while making noise, but they are nothing compared to noble, nothing. and then, it is a really nice street and i have someone come and pick up something for me the other day and i told them don't worry it is a safe neighborhood during the day. but at night, you know, when they get out and they sound all crazed and the night that i called, some woman was screaming, and another woman

was screaming, don't you touch her, and so i called the police and by the time that the police got there, i heard through the grapevine that the woman was actually one of the staff and she had freaked out maybe she was on drugs or something and they are co-worker was trying to calm her down and get her home where she would be safe. but she did not trust the co-worker at that point because she was so out of her mind. and so it is, who knows what is happening there. but it is a wild, wild west t really is. >> thank you. >> next. >> i am james layton and i leave at 626 polk street and i live in the same room that she does and i have to agree with the craziness that goes up at noble. and i what been in the building two years and i lived at ellis and jones before that and it is almost, better there. and the patrons from the noble

are just crazy. and they are crazy. and insane, you know? and the craziness in the shootings and i was hoping to move into a better neighborhood. but, like you said, there are a few straglers of the drunken that have come down the street but nothing compares to when noble gets out in the evenings thank you. >> thank you. >> just, is there any other speakers after this gentleman? >> my name is daniel white, i work at 626 polk street. >> could you speak into the mic, >> and the noble club does have problems and i am not foror against it, have you to look at the whole issue and so many people come down because it is new and young and you get the wild people and you have young and you have young people and when you get young people, you get crazy, and it can raise it up to an older crowd, maybe. but the people come from other

clubs because i see the people come, they come from clubs and they come down there because it is a new club. and they will want to get so many people because they are coming from other clubs. now, i will say that they do need to do a lot of work, they do need to do that. but closing them down they will move somewhere else, and they have it up and down and i have been working in the area for 8 years, and i have been broken in four times, is it the club, is it the people? and is it the people, would you get the crowd are more security. >> the cops do a wonderful job, the cop are present there when the club close, maybe. and they will no act that way and once you see the officers you tend to not act crazy, because nobody care about the security guards because they are security guards, the officers make you stop. the officers make you go straight. i know that my brother has been a cop for 30 years and my best friend is a supervisor on the

security, i know what the force does to people that is all that i was going to say. unless you want to ask me something back. >> appreciate it. >> all right. is there any other public comment about noble? >> seeing none, public comment is closed the matter is now with the commission. and we do have proposal or a suggested amendment to make, which is to limit the hours to 12 p.m., i am sorry, 12 a.m. for 180 days, and we could also suspend them. there are many options that we have, i don't know if there say motion that people want to make. >> we can't suspend them without a hearing, without a suspension hearing. >> so we can't suspend them. that is not an option tonight. >> okay. >> i think that our options tonight are to go with captain's suggestion of midnight, for 180 days.

to entertain the club's offer to close for 30 days but that would have to begin tonight, it can't think about it and come back and tell me late ter would have to hard tonight or do nothing and i think that those are our options. >> there was another option which was to limit the number of days per week that they would be open >> correct. >> that was one of the officers that the club made. rather than closing at midnight to be opened a couple of nights a week. >> i think that the captain said though was that the issues happen after a certain time, not necessarily on a particular day. that they find that the repetitiveness of the issues happen after midnight. so if it is only limited to two days and you kept the same time and it might not change

anything. and swe talk about the entertainment and we are not talking about the alcohol license and just talking about the dj and dancing. >> closing for 30 days would not success with that situation either. >> it just depends, we had success before with the rocket room and stuff like that. >> i just want to say a few things before we get there. as far as like blaming the neighborhood, i believe 6th street is the most crime ridden street on or in san francisco, if i'm correct. and yet, monarche are not before us. and so i think. >> omg. >> did i say omi? >> that is where i live. >> and by the way, happy birthday, mine is tomorrow. >> so, you know, so, first of all that just shows me that they are unwilling to take responsibility for the actions that their club is producing. and there is obviously some very heavy over serving and a

lot of mismanagement as far as their security goes, as far as i could hear from everything that was presented to me. i also think that, you know, if the door is on turk, and there is a parking bus on turk, if you are doing your 100 foot walk, then you know that there is a party bus there and i don't think that it is fair to say that we didn't know because they did not come in all at the same time wearing party bus shirts. okay? there is no, there is over serving and there is promoter problems and they are saying things like the police should tell us who to and not to promote. so again, i am just going to say that there are plenty of examples to show mismanagement in this club and on a personal note, i know that they have been having problems for a long

time because i actually walked by and people were walking in and out of side doors with drinks, making lots and lots of noise, and when i asked to if the manager or owner was there, i believe that the owner came, one of the people who is here came out and was highly intoxicated when he met me. so i think that we have to take this very seriously because i think that there is mismanagement beyond making excuses for. and i just wanted to say that before we go further. >> thank you. >> commissioner lee? >> yeah. >> definitely, the management issue is a big thing here. the party bus situation, they do drop off and run away, they don't always stay there in the same place and so sometimes unite you might go there and there is no bus. in their defense i know how that could happen. but the problem is that they are nasty and there has got to

be different policies of trying to avoid them from coming in. that again, it is management. and the situation on your close down, and everything else, is how you do it, it is also a management thing. i don't, and i am not for the 30 day, or whatever close down per se, i like the captain's idea as far as limiting it to midnight. or even like rocket room we did it to one. and the thing is that it only worked with rocket room because the owners of the rocket room went out and got outside help and if they are willing to do that maybe something can happen here that we don't have to go to a suspension hearing. at the same time it is up to the management to take the responsibility of what is going on, whether you have to get rid of the promoters that are making good money or giving you too much heat you have to get rid of them. it is totally up to the management and as your license and your money and i think that to try to run trouble free is

so much easier and going to have to come up in front of us and have to deal with this. >> commissioner campagnoli? >> it is very clear that the public is not safe with you. pretty clear to me. and if it were up to me, i would make this stimulations even worse. and so, i am interested in seeing, in seeing, what your response that is all that i have to say. >> so i would like to entertain a motion... >> i am sorry. >> i have a question. >> after your comment commissioner akers. >> so, i mean, and i'm new to the commission, so what i don't understand is we have this 180 day period and then at what happens during that period? how is the club evaluated? you know? how are we involved in that process? and how are the police involved in that process?

>> sometimes when there is we call it a cool down. during this time, they have a chance to kind of regroup, and they could still open and they are not closing them down, but of course the entertainment is limited. so to still do happy hour events and things like that. and then, reevaluate their own policy, and because sometimes, you know, it has to come to this, otherwise, they have been working together with the police, all of this time. >> because on what, what determines that, is it just 180-day firm period and then it starts back up again after that? without any evaluation or report back? >> they would have to vote on that? >> it would depend on your motion. >> yeah. >> and i think that 180 days would depend on your motion, whether they have to come back here or not will depend on the motion and whether they got reevaluated. >> and so we could have something like a 90 and a 90

too, with an evaluation period and a report back in between to see how progress is being made rather than this long 6 month period of this void. >> that is right. >> we could do that too. >> we could do, 30, 30, 30. >> 30, is not going to do it. >> no. >> and so, is there any motion that do you have, >> okay, great. >> okay, so, i would like to move that for 90 days, pending on a report back and hearing from the police here at the commission the club has limited entertainment hours sunday through thursday until 11:30, friday and saturday, at midnight. any video should be turned over upon request from the police department. for 30 days. yes. >> and held for 30 days.

there needs to be new neighborhood out reach done by... and what are we talking about? noble. and i believe that we should, i don't know if we can do this so i want to ask the staff, is there a company that is reputable that would train the bartenders and would give them a training, could we require that? >> we can't suggest anything like a particular company, but you can request that they be retrained, and you can suggest training that is given by the abc as well. >> i would like to request that they also do lead training within those first 30 days and report back. >> is there a second?

>> i would second your motion with some amendments, if you are... so with the security footage, not only do they have to hold it for 30 days, but i want them to keep a log of the security footage, so that they don't, you know, tape over it, so to speak. and i am good with the lead training. and the training does not have common sense and all of the training in the world does not help with the common sense. >> and just a report back in 90 days? >> yes. >> three months. >> and then,, of course, and i wanted to... and i don't know how to say this, but, how would we, how would we judge if there was progress? how would we judge if there or if there was improvement?

>> numbers of shootings outside. i think that what we would do is we would see the number of complaints that come in om the neighbors, and then we will see the number of complaints that the police have seen, and then we would also hear from noble and hopefully they will come prepared and submit a well-prepared document showing the progress that they have made. >> okay, great. >> okay. >> and i am seconding your motion with the addition of logging the security tapes, and also, to retrain their security guards to be able to deal with people in such a way that they are not screaming at them to go home. >> i have a question, though. >> and so i am seconding this motion. >> go ahead. >> with a question. at 12, it is going to be everybody is going to be... it is going to be pretly null any way, at the time by the 90 days comes up it is probably going to... less is really hard to

really go crazy until midnight. but unless they have an unrulely crowd after midnight, that is the only other... because if there is no entertainment it is kind of... >> may i suggest that if they do come back in 90 days and there has been improvement and we grant them, at that time we can ask them to come back in another 90 days to discuss them with their full permit. >> could we get the captain or the permit officers to give us a report in 90 days then? is that what you are looking for? >> yes. and so another hearing like this. >> and the other thing is that they can't have a dj, or they can't have a live band. but they can put on a night. or they can go behind the bar. and no noise complaints, i mean they have to work on that noise. >> yeah. >> i am sorry. i just need, when you are

finished with discussion, i would appreciate an actual motion, thank you. >> i would like to add that i don't think that they should be able to have entertainment 7 nights a week. even if sometimes they have to close at 11 1ds 30. >> all right. so, what is the actual motion? >> so, the motion originally was that they closed sunday through thursday and entertainment, sorry, sunday through thursday at 111eds 30 and friday and saturday at midnight. and that the bartenders have a lead training. that the video is turned over upon request to the police as well as kept in a log. and then, there should be new neighborhood out reach done to the community. and then we also added retrain

security for better outside practices, and then... >> lead. >> lead, okay. so that is... >> the lead for bartenders and for security. >> okay. >> so, then i will rephrase that and say that it is lead training for bartenders and security. >> and that is a motion and there was a second. >> and then, and there is now a potential amendment. >> correct. >> commissioner campagnoli, you are talking about limiting the days. >> do you have a proposal for which days motto operator to operate? >> monday and tuesday. >> closed on monday and tuesdays? >> yes. >> and no entertainment. >> right. >> and give the neighborhood a break. and they have been listening to this for a long time. you just heard them, just heard what they had to say. >> although i am going to say that probably monday and tuesday, are probably not their

busiest nights, you know. >> and choose another night. >> no, but i think that if everyone is out of there by, and the entertainment stops at 11:30, that the crowd will then throughout the evening, i think that this will hopefully deal with the problems of the noise that is happening outside, and from the club, and i would hope that this will abait it. >> so it is not a friendly amendment. >> and well, i just. >> i am not for it either. and i think that for business sakes, you know, i think that if we have an opportunity to book a happy hour after work. i mean that they are going to have to change the revenue stream somehow to make it. you know? and instead of like winging it out to 90 days and we are back in the same situation again, if we limit it in is suddenly we cut off two more days they don't have a chance to try something new. that is my opinion.

>> all right. >> so, any other strong opinions? because i think that we should take this to a vote? >> no? >> can we take the vote then? >> on the motion, commissioner akers? >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> joseph. >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> no. >> commissioner tan? >> aye. >> the motion passes. >> all right. thank you. so hopefully you heard those conditions and they will be send to you by our staff and we hope that you have the clean up crew ready to start cleaning up the business. and it is almost 8:00. and i am going to entertain a short break, if the commissioners would like or we can just keep piling through. >> keep going. >> keep piling through. >> so let's go to item 7.

>> thank you everyone, who has permit and applicant for waiting. the first one that we will hear is from second act, 1725-1727 haight street for a limited live performance. >> this is robert and elisabeth rix, this is the old red vick on 8th street and they have had vision, well they have this plan that they are going to turn it into a arts market place and event space and there is a chance to have live entertainment return to haight street and an article that was written about their plan and it is an exciting project and captain cros at park station wrote a letter of support and the staff has received no word of opposition. >> great. >> so robert and elisabeth rix, if you would not mind keeping

it brief. >> jack and i, robert, known as jack, started the movie house in 1980, and we have been on haight street on and off quite a long time. some of you might remember the red vick movie house and it slowly lost business and we needed to close and because we really we owned the building really tried to think of what would be the best thing to do in the neighborhood. we have a hand out for you, and because we are part owners of a restaurant also, the restaurant will expand into the old red vic lobby and we are having a small market place with five tenants who are confirmed with the small food businesses and 49 seat event space, which we are hoping to really kind of revitalize and bring back

people into the neighborhood. we have a tremendous amount of good will, we plan to show, you know, documentary movies with programs. and rent it out for private events and we have interest in live entertainment, meaning music, and comedy, and related things. we don't think that noise will be an issue. there is nobody above us, we are a one story building and we have restaurant on either side and a big backyard and alicia winterstein amount of good will in the neighborhood and support for this. >> thank you. >> and if you don't mind, just taking a seat and we can hear from any police comments on this? >> no. >> okay. >> that is fine. >> they submitted a letter of support in your packet. >> great. >> any questions for the applicants from the commissioners? >> or comments about what you think about it? >> no. >> okay. >> seeing...

>> i do, i commend you for being so innovative. >> any other comments? >> all right we will go ahead and take the public comment on this, is there any public comment on second act? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. happy to take a motion. >> i move to approve. >> i second. >> okay. on the motion to approve the limited live performance permit. akers? >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> and president tan? >> aye. >> you have your permit. congratulations. >> good luck with that. it sounds great. >> so our next applicant, is actually human video game, which i think that we would like to continue? >> yes. >> so, if i could just entertain a motion to continue this until the next meeting? >> so moved. >> second?

>> on the motion. >> a second first? >> second. >> got it. >> anxious. >> akers. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> joseph. ae. aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> tan. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> and third up is ronnie lau doing business as horizon and 498 broad way and i believe that they are asking for a bill ard permit and a mechanical device. >> i got to go. >> i am taking a break on this one. >> steve is stepping out. >> all right. >> go ahead. >> and so they have been out there on broad way for about 6 years. and no problems and they are asking to have the additional and want to add the pool table and three mechanical amusement devices. >> ronnie would you like to come up and say hello to us? >> good evening commissioners i am here today to apply and hopefully get approved for a

billards as well as mechanical device and what we are looking to install are a few video game units like a miss pack man. >> mr. and police pacman. >> and the taobl is up and we have done the research on those and so we also want to install a few billard table to hold some local billard tournaments and so nothing too extreme and so you will hop to approve that. >> do you feel like you leave at this commission? >> i do. >> just checking. >> any commissioner comments or questions? >> no. >> all right, are there any police that would like to speak to this permit? >> officer methias? >> central station and just to voice our support for the