commissioner chair avalos said it's one of those red herrings out this with the program and the final comment is the snapshot with the long-term goals and what does this program look like on day one. they refuse and ignore the fact that this is an every changing program that in the year 20 it going to change. we need to figure out how to do build out as quickly as possible because we would have no customers. it a matter of focusing our attention that would allow us to grow this program and modify it over time. it not going to be the program on day one or year 5, 10 or 20. i think it's an important key aspect to keep in mind. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate the work you have done. when the

mayor was making his presentation, i was besides myself. i made comments during introduction about it as well. i spent about maybe 5 minutes talking with reporter's afterwards. i was in shock that the reporting didn't even cover this huge discrepancy with what reality is and what was said by the mayor. it shows that we need better journalist in this city among other things. okay. we can go on to public comment on this item, any member of the public when would like to comment, please come forward. >> good afternoon, supervisors, good afternoon. lafco staff. my name is shawn marshall with the local agriculturation network

-- aggregation network with promoting greater energy. i serve as vice-mayor as the city of valley. i'm signature -- sitting here with my lead hat on. i want to commend mayor lee, there is nothing in the california statute that requires the sf puc to be the response offer cca. i do think it would be the most logical choice, but given the political stalemate, i think it's smart for you to look at alternatives and there are many alternatives i think including marine, i think it's definitely work a conversation with them. there are cities in the formation process and this maybe even an opportunity to join statewide effort. i would welcome a conversation with you, miss miller in the future because i

think there are some options that you ought to be considering. a couple quick comments. one is to let you know on wednesday, the county board of supervisors in san diego unanimously approved funding for cca study for the renewable energy program. i offer that up as an example as another large california city moving towards the cc accessible -- model. they have a way to go but in that direction. and the longer this goes, the more missed opportunity not only from a green perspective but from an economic perspective you have going on. we know that power prices are very low right now. there are examples around the country of cca integrating brand new energy. just a couple. the city of chicago

recently aggregated, they signed a new contract led by the work we are doing here in california. they also integrated in state wind and they did a deal with their supplier to do a distributed solar supplier in chicago. there are 60 mega watts in marine brand new energy, cape cod and solar around 20 mega watts through the airport. we know that this works and i applaud you for looking at plan b and moving things forward, thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please? >> hi commissioners. i work with a group of local advocates

working on this for a number of years. i main message is that lafco was created for the purpose of really making sure that clean power sf gets established and goes forward. there have been many times in the past where the sf puc is now -- not moving quickly or expeditiously enough and now lafco is moving quickly in terms of impact of getting work down for a build out study which lafco went and approved $100,000 contracts for part of that build out work and following that and that's going to p you should the sf puc and pushing for $100,000 for a years worth of effort. to move things forward, this is the opportunity speaking on behalf

of the advocates for lafco stepping in and making sure this work is progressive. there are a number of options. some of them have been talked about for sure. if kelly the general manager can build out the work then lafco can set expectations for when the work will be done and delivered and done. it a crucial part. alternatively about a half year ago, i put out a request for a chase community based effort. i found a number of firms that had the capability of developing the type of build out plan that we've been talking about in san francisco. you can alternatively put up the money and get the build outdonement -- we know that many of the players as the lack of -- to

being able to move that program forward and if puc doesn't put out the plan then there are alternatives to put out such a plan and as john marshall mentioned even more aggressive efforts. to basically say the sf puc is obviously not getting the job done, we have to look for alternative ways, alternative institutions, alternative approaches to try to move this thing forward. we just want to encourage you as lafco to take the bull by the horns. we would be happy to work with you around some of these suggestions. we think that it's really a crucial time to get the sf puc quickly on the move or to find some alternate approach. thank you very much. >> thank you, next speaker, please.

>> good afternoon commissioners, eric brooks, local green committee. a lot of interesting things have been said i think it's incredibly important to point out that i think as late as 6-7 months ago, even the advocates to the consternation to the allies who said this isn't ready to go yet. this has to do with rates and how much is developed. and then not to hopefully don't give too big of a head but malcolm came and started to move this in a big way. we started to talk about rate more than a year and kim came along and started working on that.

the highest rate is 11.5 percent which will beat pg & e and as $0.11 as provided to the committee. without good rates you are going to have too many people leaving the program and not enough of a customer risk assessment -- base for a local build out. even though it didn't get to where it needed to be, really made a huge amount of progress compared to where things were out with the puc before. based on that, even though we were concerned about making sure it gets done properly, we were ready to come before like we did? july and

august and said let's go. let be sure we keep our eye on the build out but let's do this. then the mayor and the commission of sf puc put a hold on everything when even the advocates said wait a minute, we are no longer saying wait a minute. we are on the same page now. it really chushl -- crucial that we move this forward. really what this boils down to, that even though the staff is now doing some really important stuff. when you've got people in the drivers seat that are not with you, that's a problem. what i think this is all about is who is in the drivers seat. in 2004 when at that time the staff wouldn't do an implementation plan, the lafco did one. in 2011 when the sf puc wouldn't work on the build out plan, the lafco started the process and now we

need lafco to take charge and lead the way and complete the work that was on the table before it got stopped. thank you. >> good afternoon, bruce wills, a neighborhood of the san francisco clean energy advocates with the rest of my colleagues here. i just wanted to say that mr. freed's report was spot on. everything he said and how he presented it with the analysis and rational around things, i think is exactly where we are today and how we should be moving forward. equally want to commend kim malcolm on the work she's doing and having somebody focus at the puc is important but we have to make sure there are no obstacles for her and she needs that commitment from the agency in order to be able to move forward. the discussion

around the opt out, i think how to mayor presented it is very species, we need to maintain the way it is. this is the promise of what government is supposed to do, provide real services to the residents and the economy. if people want the choice to opt out of it, that's their choice. that's how to law is created. i think it's an important point to stand on and solid and i think it's an important point. i also want to report that where i work in marine, in our business we are paying for marine clean energy under $0.10, the kilowatt hour. it is possible for ramping this up and getting real savings. this is what the small business people were asking for with

their refrigerators and freezers running all day long, they are the ones paying. i think we need to keep things moving forward. don't be discouraged. we have a lot of historic ups -- hick ups. they have some issues, we can get through those. they are totally in support of it. i think it's really somewhat uphill that we need to reach and it's very accessible and reachable. thank you. >> thank you, very much, next speaker. >> city close your eyes. let

the power come to you. let the power come to you. take it slow lafco. we've got so far to go and then we will rise the power train of love. we are going to clean power with you all night. clean powers into sunlight. we are going to clean power you all night. we are going to clean power the night. and when clean power is renewed and strong, you know that energy survives and the city can really thrive. i'm going to clean power with you all night. clean power today. okay.

something in the way this city moves. attracts me like no other city. something in the way the city moves, i don't want to leave it now. you are asking me will clean power grow, well, lafco i don't know. i don't know. you stick around and the budget will grow. then we'll make it happen. give it a go. lafco. [ applause ] >> thank you, next speaker, please. >> hi. i'm from the bay chaerpt of the sierra club. i want to thank you for all your hard

work through these hard times. the action strategy and what we need to do as a city to reach our climate action goals. thank you for your hard work as well. kim malcolm at the sf puc. nancy miller and jason. >> thank you. >> thank you, any other member of the public would like to comment? we'll close public comment. >> one thing about lafco staff, when talking about the pg & e tariff, one thing to keep in mind, it not a green litd program yet. it's on hold. no one should assume that that program will ever see the light of day because there are a lot of complaints that sf puc submitted a letter with a bunch of questions that need to be

addressed. there is direct access providers and others providing other questions and comment. there is still a lot of issues to be addressed. even though it's a potential product, it's something not occurring yet. it's on hold depending on what happens with the state legislation. >> thank you. colleagues. we can continue this item. >> if i could. this is, this could be an action item as well. if you have direction for us, i think this would be a good time to give it to us in terms of either -- >> you mentioned a letter from lafco expressing our or

debunking the statements at this time. i think it would be helpful to have as a product if we can concur with that, colleagues? >> okay. >> did you want to explore some of these options with other partners, cca partners? >> that would be great. as in marine? >> yes. >> maybe the process for others like richmond city council. >> can we take a short 1 minute break before the next item. a >> i don't have a report. we covered everything in the third item. >> thank you. we can go to

public comment on the executive officers report. seeing no one come forward. we'll close public comment. next item. >> item no. 5, public comment. members can address on matters within their jurisdiction and not on today's agenda. >> general public comment is open. any public member would like to comment. okay. we'll close public comment. >> technicians six item 6. future agenda items. >> public comment on item 6 future agenda items? >> i would like to pick up on

what commissioner breed said about if certain agencies in the city are not moving this process forward, then let's contract with some people that will move us forward whoever that maybe. there is a lot of stuff like the build out work that is half way on the table, there are other aspects like the possibility of how much in-house energy purchasing the puc could be doing. figuring out what relationships we might be able to build with other cities down south. the marine idea. all that stuff. the lafco could take it's authority to start work and hire some people to start doing this stuff, flushing this stuff out so it's ready to go. once we flushed out a good plan for a program moving forward especially a build out plan, that takes out one of the -- we were the ones

complaining about the build out and the mayor says that's not his reason for come forward and as soon as that flush out, that's another reason for the mayor to get away. at least during that build out work if not exploring other options of that program to hire people to plan it out so we can get this done. thanks. >> thank you very much, any other member of the public would like to comment? seeing none, we'll close public comment. one thing that was brought out before we had our vote for the resolution by commissioner breed was looking at appointments for the public utilities commission. i think we'll do shared appointments and that will be a possibility to explore a charter change that will give perhaps across

the board on the bus around commission appointments or select few departments where there would be chaired commission appointments where there is a real constitutional crisis around the policies and how the policies are not being fulfilled is a concern that perhaps shared commission appointments could help to alleviate. i would like to ask lafco staff to present on that. i don't know how long it would take to do an exploration for proposal for shared commission appointments? >> jason freed, lafco staff. i happen to know someone who just came back into town and would be good interning with us and

if that person is available i can have something by next meeting and if that person is not available, i can have a report by next meeting. it would take time to get together. i would recommend the departments, the over see staff and the commission or environmentings -- every commission seems to have it's own process. some of done, like the puc commission like where the mayor nominates, they can say yes or no to it and there are other commission on the environment where the mayor a points, the board has the time to vote and the mayor can a point someone before the board knows who this person is and what as occurred with the

appointment. it might be a broad study to have the commissions and some commissions are done by split appointments and the mayor does some and in some cases we can put together a spreadsheet to talk about all that. >> how long does that take? >> if i have the availability of the intern, i can get it done by next meeting. if not, i can still do that but i have to make sure i have other items around. >> let's try to do this with the next meeting in concurrence with lafco to do that. >> i want to make sure i'm clear, i know in the previous item we discussed was the direction was part was to look at options in terms of how other entities use to implement their clean power which is usually in the case of marine

in the help of use how they implement their clean power. that's part of the direction as well, correct? thank you. >> okay. great. we've done public comment on this item already. so if we go to our next item which we are all eager for at this point. >> the last item is adjournment. >> we are adjourned. thank you. >> >>

>> the public wants to access particular information about your house or neighborhood we point them to gis. gis is a combination of maps and data. not a graphic you see on a screen. you get the traffic for the streets the number of crimes for a police district in a period of time. if the idea of combining the different layerce of information and stacking them on top of each

other to present to the public. >> other types of gis are web based mapping systems. like google earth, yahoo maps. microsoft. those are examples of on line mapping systems that can be used to find businesses or get driving directions or check on traffic conditions. all digital maps. >> gis is used in the city of san francisco to better support what departments do. >> you imagine all the various elements of a city including parcels and the critical infrastructure where the storm drains are. the city access like the traffic lights and fire hydrants. anything you is represent in a geo graphic space with be stored

for retrieval and analysis. >> the department of public works they maintain what goes on in the right-of-way, looking to dig up the streets to put in a pipe. with the permit. with mapping you click on the map, click on the street and up will come up the nchgz that will help them make a decision. currently available is sf parcel the assessor's application. you can go to the assessor's website and bring up a map of san francisco you can search by address and get information about any place in san francisco. you can search by address and find incidents of crime in san francisco in the last 90 days.

we have [inaudible] which allows you to click on a map and get nchldz like your supervisor or who your supervisor is. the nearest public facility. and through the sf applications we support from the mayor's office of neighborhood services. you can drill down in the neighborhood and get where the newest hospital or police or fire station. >> we are positive about gis not only people access it in the office but from home because we use the internet. what we used to do was carry the large maps and it took a long time to find the information. >> it saves the city time and money. you are not taking up the time of a particular employee at the assessor's office. you might be doing things more

efficient. >> they have it ready to go and say, this is what i want. >> they are finding the same things happening on the phone where people call in and ask, how do i find this information? we say, go to this website and they go and get the information easily. >> a picture tells a thousand stories. some say a map >> ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the september 23, 2013. the san francisco small business commission. the meeting is called to order. >> i will conduct a roll