i do think that you know, obviously, the port has you know, responsibility to get the most responsible persons or organizations to provide the services there. i just want to, you know, mention, though, that there are some, there are some uniqueness, about a location of the center, and i hope that, and i know that this is not part of your directions and i hope that, consideration for the community that will not have the financial wherewithal to bid on this rfp, it will just be considered and thoughts, and i mean obviously, you know, i would love to have

you know, my organization, take a try at it. but you know, in all honesty, i don't know if we will be able to meet whatever the financial obligations are of the programming and then, if there is resources, to help to meet that standard but i do want to make sure, that we keep in mind, the importance, you know, of that center, and of the existence of leads and some of the reasons why, you know, in the organizations like leads, and may not have made it, but the importance of the education, and of the neighborhood, and making sure that information for this jewel is transferred throughout the community and i don't know, if that is sort of garbl. ed but i have to say something. and because i think that this is a great opportunity, for you know, the organization and i just don't want it to not be an

organization, that is not connected to the community. thank you. >> thank you. >> further public comment? >> hi, my name is wendy brummer and i am currently on the board of ledge and first of all i want to say a big thank you to the port. the eco center was a project of passion. a passion for the community, a passion for sustainable design in demonstrating that. a passion to pull the community in to an environmental education element that did not exist previously. ledge was able too, of course, build this building but did not have anywhere near the understanding of the financial means that would be required to

sustain this building. we don't have the expertise, we don't have the infrastructure, and we are extremely grateful to carroll and the staff, for supporting this project as we are in this transition period and we look forward to assisting and bringing on an organization that has the capacity to really fulfill the original vision. it involves intense community, connection. and to that end, we have one request. and that is that a community organization, a community representative, be on the selection panel for the organization. and for the respondents and that we, a community member have the ability to be view the

respondents. and we are, you know, anxious to see this process move forward. and look forward to how we identify which operations fall under the port jurisdiction and which ones make sense to keep under the jurisdiction of a leaseholder as well. that will be key and there is a lot of work that is being done on that currently. so. thank you, very much. and we look forward to this moving forward. >> thank you. >> is there any further public comment? >> hearing none, commissioners any comments before we vote. >> i think that is a great recommendation to have the community person on the selection panel. and i think that she brought up some of my concerns, and that is what is the capacity to run this operation? i mean, ledge is a great organization, and they did a wonderful job with such a great concept and it is a jewel, but how do we know what the financial capacity is, or what,

you know, just because we take over maintenance, does that mean that another organization is going to be able to take on everything else needed? >> and so, just trying to really get some kind of an idea of what will make this successful and because it is so much needed in the community. >> right. >> so, actually, to address, sort of both of those comments in reverse, i think that it will be great to get a community member participating in this selection process and i am not sure how defines the community member but i will talk with them and wendy and see what we can do in that direction. regarding the financial capacity, and this really speaks to what mr. bryant was talking about. and that is one of the reasons, that we made, what really is it, very significant change in the way that the lease is structured by having the maintenance, taken on by the port itself. and when the ownership transfers to the port to try to

make responding to these opportunity more financially feasible all kinds of organizations. and not just organizations with very deep pockets. and as far as what that financial capacity would be, it really is going to depend on the programs that particular proposer is suggesting and so what they are going to need to to show us is that they have enough financial capacity to meet the minimum criteria the four days a week and the submit the operations and the program plan and show us that you can pay for it basis basically and so we are trying to make this as accessible as possible. >> if i am not mistaken when we did this project and ledge did take over and that we did give them some type of help financially? >> ledge, built the building, entirely with funds that they raised themselves. but, we did award a grant four

years ago and actually contracts prior to that, to provide environmental education services. and ledge has been a recipient of those funds. >> so, once again, i am just wondering, with the help that we gave them,... >> i think. ... >> another funding that they went and got with the staffing issues what is going to make the next... >> right. >> so, ledge was trying to deal with the financial burden of operating in the building, and maintaining the building, and providing the grant-funded programs. and we are taking two of those pieces out of that financial demand. and additionally, it is easier for organizations to get grants for education, and community participation, and green building technology, and show rooms, and sort of fund an enticing things like that, it is easier to get outside funding for that than to go to

a fund and her just say, you know, well i need to pay the water bill. so, we are also hoping that by structuring that way, it will make it a more financially feasible opportunity. >> and would we help and i don't think that you can speak again but that is up to the chair. would we help whatever organization gets this, that gets the next crack at this, would we help them to try to find funding or will we have funding available to maybe help them? i think that it is a jewel and i think that it is something that needs to exist. and so i just want to make sure that whoever we bring in operated is, able to maintain it and move forward with it. >> right. >> and i think that all of us on the port staff there, that are working on this project share that goal and i know that port staff, and ledge, are very committed to, you know, a full, and complete technology transfer, and you know, conveying as much information and experience as ledge has gotten about how to operate the

building. certainly, i know, speaking for myself i would be happy to support and new tenant's effort to find the grant funds and things like that and grow their programs as the time goes on. >> thank you. >> okay. >> one question, and again, wanting to make this feasible for any other potential operator, and maybe it is the way that it is worded, and it looks like there is a prohibs and other non-profit wants to rent and utilize the space but charge people, and get a contribution, i guess that you call it a contribution and verses an entry free and that what you mean? >> instead they have a class and charge $20 for a class. >> so, not necessarily, there is language in the rfp, and we are working on drafting a lease that will go with that, and

that allows with prior written consent of the port for the tenant to charge fees sufficient to recover the cost of delivering programs, and so, they are and we hope, ag order to meet the mission, of the eco center as a public benefit, we hope that most of the programs will be able to be offered to the public, free, or at very low cost. we want people that was why it was built. we want the people to come to it and learn from it. but we recognize that there are some programs, where it would be appropriate to recover the cost to delivering the programs and so that is definitely contemplated. >> i think that it is east tore talk about what we don't want to see, you know, we are giving this property for free-for-all of the purposes that have been articulated and we don't want to see someone profiting for that and we want to see them achieving the mission. >> thank you. >> commissioner adams? >> thanks, president. i want to say, carroll, i agree

with james and the other laid their spoke from ledge and the commission, and about having the community person on that and the committee. and also, i appreciate the fact that you said something that i really liked that and you are not stow much that you want to give it to the higher bidder, you want to give it to someone that has a passion and a commitment to the committee to make it successful and that is what i want to see and i think that the director moore said to herself that we are giving it away for free and i think that this could be a marquee for us and i like to know what we can do to make it work and so that we can make it a good thing for the community, but also, that is the thing, that is open, and it is profitable, but also, more than anything, the community comes out, and they see it because ink i think that it is a good thing. thanks. >> thank you. >> i just wanted to add that i think that i certainly agree with all of the sentiments that have been expressed and i think that one of the things that you said is key and i wanted to

sort of at least make sure that we are clear. i think that you can certainly help any organization that comes in, that to look for grant funding but unfortunately, i think that the port in this instance is getting what it can in terms of all of the financial support through the maintenance and the operation of fat celebrity and i facility, and it is important that we assist and i think that the comments by the public, i think that we are not looking for something that has huge, deep pockets but we do have to have an organization that can sustain it. and so, from that standpoint, it can't be living, you know, hand to mountain every month and that will be danger, and or the purpose for what they are trying to do and so i think that it is important that we maintain that and there is a balance here and i think that we are trying to do our part and we have to have the organization that can do their part and whatever you can do to point them in the areas that

they can get the grant funding for these programs that would be terrific but i am not sure if we have a being pocket to open because we are trying to do things across the water front, including the blue green way and other projects and i think that we need to be balanced and i am trying to be realistic and making sure that we don't raise the hopes unnecessarily as well. >> right, understood, thank you. >> i guess, likewise, you know all of us want to see this, succeed and the goal of ledge, really should be realized and i think that this is our opportunity to do it right. and to get a partner in here that can do that education component and i want to make sure that you know, that likewise, that having a community member on process and there could be ways to explore, and when an organization comes in and it is giving them ramp up time or something to work on the grant funding and other components so that they would have the operating funds and not necessarily, requiring it

in hand, and the day of, and perhaps taken into account that there may be organizations that have the capability that they go out and get the grant funding but may not have it. >> right. >> at the time of the signing of the project. >> figuring out that we can take that into account. >> yeah, exactly. >> that is one of the things that we are working on is presenting exactly what you just described in the request, for response to include the funding plan. you know? we want to make sure that the organization has enough wherewithal to, you know, provide that minimum level of staffing and engagement with the public from day one. but we realize, that in many cases, to implement all of the program elements that a proposer may have in mind they may have a schedule of seeking and receiving funds that they can see fairly far out. >> and assuming that we also have an opportunity for the

joint venture so to speak? >> yes, absolutely. we are really encouraging the teens, because this is for all, for all of its wonder it is an unusual opportunity and there is, you know, very well may be, that a team of organizations with complimenting kinds of capabilities are better, ultimate tenant than a single entity trying to do all of those things, okay. >> perhaps in the end of the ospuses of the usbec something like that. >> it is exciting and just the last item, the business fall right on the blue green way? >> absolutely. >> okay, are we ready to vote? >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> okay, resolution, number 1 3-38 has passed. >> item ten, new business? >> yes, i do have an item of new business, and i just kind of like to preview it a little bit in terms of you know we are

very excited about the america's cup coming to a conclusion, hopefully tomorrow we will know and a number of spaces that will be opened up as we know that america's cup has taken up 19, 23, 29, 29 and a half on 30, 32, and the ones that we know that are coming back to the port's portfolio and do need to be looked at for future, 19, 23, 29, 29 and a half and 31. and we have started to get a lot of interest, from various parties here and there for interim use and long term uses and so my proposal for the new business is to request the staff to come up with some plan and guidelines, and so that we have prefer to look at it as a landscape here and we do have a couple of forests but we don't have the full landscape painted out. but before we start reacting to someone saying that i want to plant, the orange trees and

roses over there and i think that we need to sort of have a better framework that we can rationalize for the whole area. and that particular area of the water front and so i think that it will be helpful, if we could sit down and have the staff, come up with some guidelines envisions before we started to react to the individual requests that come in that we are hearing a little bit already and i think that number one, i think that the plan has to align with the cities and the mayor's vision for what he sees for the city and his objective and i am not going to go through all of that, but some that we know about the jobs and innovation and technology and other aspects in the gateway to the pacific and asia. and i think that it should have, the plan, should align with the mayor's view, that the city strategic view and more or less the long term objectives whaf we are trying to do in the port so that we have a rational framework to be able to respond and to give some general guidelines. and i think that there is obviously, as we all know that takes a long time to develop

anything here, so there has to be maybe a plan, and to accommodate some interim uses that we might be able to entertain and may not be the long term uses. and we do not want, you know, i don't want the staff to do anything precise because we do want the open feedback because as we know the process is public and we will get a lot of input from the community and we will approach the community with the ideas of how this will and these pieces fit together in the puzzle and there are things that we know that will have to be governing this and something that has to be consistent with the public trust and we want the uses that will enhance or fill the gaps in the water front or the neighborhood and those things can be looked at that we have a clear feeling of what is happening in the water front and what it will do to that specific neighborhood and to the contribution of the over all water front in the city. and i think that we want to make sthur that is something

that i always hop on that it has to have a financial objective and we need to be financially viable and there are good things that we want to fund and we can't fund all of these other projects unless we have a revenue sources that are producing the revenue for the city and help us to abreast the challenges like the sea wall and the capitol improvements that we have. and clearly, as we had the opportunities, and i think that we want to make sure that whatever gets built along all of these piers and specifically that we are also, improving the quality, and the consistency of the look of these projects, and we have this fantastic view, and a triple a view and we want the facilities to match that view and it should be but it has to be obviously technically consistent with the historic preservation and all of the codes that we have to come up and all of the investment that goes into the substructure and so there is a lot to deal with and so we want something that is aesthetic and the things

that have been developed looked really good. and so this is really something that i have given a long laundry list of things that we have talked about and but i just wanted to go on public record because i think that as we all have originally or as the staff or members of the public are interested in what is going to happen to all of the space that is coming up, that i think that it is important that we are prepared that we have a framework and we have the guidelines and we agree on what some of these things have to be and we have a better way of taking the input and proposal and how we go about the process which is going to take some time. and so i just wanted to add that in the tall order, but i think that we need to come back from the staff and we don't want to wait too long, but we are doing these properties that are coming off the lease, i guess, some of them may be as soon as the end of november and so we want some, along the way, you can give us maybe a plan of how you want to attack this. >> thank you, commissioner, we will be happy to. >> the most properties will

come back to us in march actually. and with the exception of the cruise terminal and so that gives us a little bit of time but not a lot. unless, oracle wins tomorrow of course they have the first right of refusal. we will follow your guidance on this, and come back quickly with a vision. >> i don't know, i didn't have a chance to discuss this fully with all of another commissioners, but, any comments that you have, >> okay. >> just directs the staff to i think, and to be mindful of all of the property coming on and start working towards figuring out what will be opt mal opportunities and uses for us going forward. but, i think that i want to make sure that we are flexible both short term and long term to make sure that we can keep everything if there is some opportunities that might be available to a short term basis to do that while we do the long term planing for these facilities. >> okay. >> any other new business?

>> i move to adjourn. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> good luck to the teams tomorrow. >> yeah. >> on december 28, 1912.

san francisco mayor, sonny jim rolph stared into the crowds of those who have gathered. a moment in history. the birth of a publicly own transit system. san francisco municipal railway. muni as it would become to be known. happy birthday, muni, here is to the next 100 years. the birth of muni had been a long-time coming. over the years the city was disjointed privately owned companies. horses and steam and electric-powered vehicles. creating a hodgepodge of transit options. none of them particularly satisfying to city residents. the city transit system like the

city itself would have changes during the san francisco earthquake. the transition that will pursue from this aftermath would change san francisco's transportation system once again. facilitated by city boss, abe ruth, ushering in the electric city car. the writing was on the wall. the clammer had begun for the experiment including public transit people. owned by the people and for the people. the idea of a consolidated city-owned transit system had begun traction. and in 1909, voters went to the polls and created a bond measure to create the people's railway.

would become a reality three years later. on december 28, 1912, mayor sonny rolph introduced the new geary electric streetcar line and the new san francisco railway. that he said would be the nucleus that would host the city. and san francisco gave further incentive to expand the city's network. a project by way of tunnel leading into chinatown by way of north beach. in december the first streetcar was driven into the tunnel. just two years after its berth,

muni had added two lines. and k, l and m lines that span out from westportal. in 1928, the j line opened heading west to the beach. in 1944 san francisco voters finally approved muni take-over of the market street railway. by then motor bus and trolley bus improvement had given them the ability to conquer san francisco's hills. after the war most of the street-car lines would be replaced with motor or trolley bus service. in 1947, the mayor recommended replacing two lines with motor coaches. and it appeared that san francisco's iconic cable cars had seen their final days. entered mrs. cluskin, the leader

to save the cable cars. arguing that the cable cars were a symbol of the city, and she entered a charter placed on the november ballot. it passed overwhelmly. the california street cable railway was purchased by the city in 1952. there were cut backs on the cable car system and in 1957 only three lines would remain. the three lines that exist today. in 1964 the cable car's future as part of california's transit system was sealed when it was proclaimed a national historic landmark. in february, 1980, muni metro

were officially inaugurated. in that same year, muni received its first fleet of buses equipped with wheelchair lifts. in 1982 when the cable car had a shut-down, they added an alternative attraction to the cars. the festival was a huge hit and would continue for the next four summers in a permanent f-line that would extend all the way to fisherman's wharf, by 2000 the f-line was in place. and in 2007 muni extended the third line to the southeast corner and returning to third street. for the first time in 60 years.

in the course of last 100 years, muni's diverse workforce forged by men and women of innovation have reflected the many cultures that flock to the city. muni's ground-breaking antidiscrimination has guaranteed equal opportunity for all. the city's policy mandates the course for the future, as they work diligently to increase options and increase multialternatives, and deduce -- reduce the carbon footprint. it continues to improve the systems. during this sen -- centennial year we reflect on the transit system. driven not role at

this time. commissioners first on your collapsed are items for continuance. item a b is for 447 c at the 19th avenue and