roll call (calling names) abstain on 2 c 13 b the eight nominated organization only and i'd like to abstain on 1310 dash 13 k 33. >> thank you (calling names) on all except i'm abstaining the 11th named organization optional. >> thank you. >> we will now move on the consent calendar there are no

actions and finally, there's moved to item q. this is item 13022 f public works one authorization to grant or ask for the charter school may i hear a motion and second please. so moved >> thank you. i'm going to refer this to those budget committees >> i do have a number of speaker cards on this item. to members we allow a total of 5 minutes on first reading items. i'm not to call our items and the timer is for 5 minutes. before you set the timer i'm going to call the names

(calling names) i apologize if i miss pronounce our name. and when everybody's in line oh. okay precede thank you >> good evening thank you for the opportunity i'm the coordinator the education support. i would like to begin by appreciating all of you who carefully reviewed our petition. we have grateful we had the opportunity to serve a difference group of students in the wonderful city of santa fe san francisco. we continue support all our students this year is an exciting time for public

education with the recommendation of the impending role out. we've been provided great opportunities. the local funding formula will allow us greater responsibility to make sure we're providing technically rich education. at the chapter school we're excited to prepare the citizens for the 21st century. the arts and curriculum we foster the learning and innovation schools. please accept our warm invitation to come and visit our city hall school and see all the wonderful learning experiences each and every day >> hi, i'm here to support the

charter reluctant. i'm a parent of 3. i have a second and sixth grader and one csa graduate who is successful at the school of the arts. i'm a board member and want to say a few words. i will describe maybe in four terms which is the diversity, the exclusiveness and the commitment of the community. which i xernsdz first hand when i moved here two years ago with 2 of my three children not speaking one word of english and they didn't have the english learn program but yet their influenced and integrated and very welcomed and embraced by everyone there. i also experiences this

commitment everyday at the school and side solidarity when i'm working on the board when 7 of the 89 parents are there when i worked with the family association and when i see how every parents and family puts in 40 hours of volunteer work at the school to make an it work >> my name is scott. my sons and i have been part of the creative arts family since 2004 when my oldest son entered kindergarten. by the time each of them had entered kindergarten it was pretty clear that special education was going to be in the works and low and behold two of

them have a special needs. i suspected that. i was afraid that a private school would let my boys fall through the crack and 10 years later i'm happy to say i was wrong. my boys have received all the tools to make them successful. i believe believed that cac s arts destruction has been a support for the abides. i've also felt the incredible support from the staff and i'm here to declare the strong support for the reluctant of our charter. i'm monica my son goes to the

charter school. cac helped to get my child to accept the challenges that are required of him in high school. cac provides my child with the safe learning investment. he's bend and it gives him a deeper understanding of what he's learning. sorry >> that is the time. why don't you take 30 seconds okay. and finish up >> i've been with the school for 17 years. my mid son that's dix election and he's good evening to be a paramedic in june.

i charred the committee and we advocated for affirmative action and we helped build the state of color >> indict to everything everywhere everything they said. their inclusive of all students and provide a krur78 that's noted easily found in other schools and their members of the uc sf >> we will now move on to item r for the first reading there's none this evening and item s the board dlekts and any other

reports. >> will you start united states off and i. >> i previously property our october 7th we voted on a positive recommendation inform the action item for the first breakfast to the classroom. we had two items college and career readiness for the project labor agreement internships and we heard an update on the poor waiver. i wanted to mention the other committee i chair would i want be meeting until early next year february >> mr. haney. can you give us a report from the rules policy and legislation committee? >> yes. and i'm asking mr.

davis to come up for that there's some clarification on that. sow there were tow issues on the agenda for the rules policy and legislation committee that meet on october 1, '67. one was to review the which we weren't school understanding and the other was related to the sense and advisory committee evolutions. i'm going to ask the gentleman to gusts an update he has for clarity on it. for those two items on the first, the rules committee did review the operational memoranda of in evidence and fourteen for our charter schools the

committee decided to recommend to the superintendent that the agenda be recommended to require the san francisco unified school district to follow the guidelines in the 2014 and 15 and subsequent years. any questions on that? >> and then horrify general - and a second one on the citizen advisory committee was the appointment for the committee and we had some questions around the legal aspect. >> so the general question was the staff should conduct a

random drawing to match each the seats to the q ta to a commissioner and that that commissioner would then have the ability to appoint a new member to that committee when this seat becomes vacant. >> that was my understanding but that wasn't our understanding was it commissioner? >> so i think as i left that meeting my understanding was that we would appoint each commissioner a seat but also, if the seat had a person in it and i'll be quiet frank and that person appointed wasn't what the commissioner i don't speak for myself i'd be looking for someone who was a painter or african-american i didn't see

that combination recommend in the current mile-per-hour so to say if the seat appointed to me didn't match up for what i would be looking for i could potentially have a conversation with the person in the seat and discuss that with them and hopeful that person citing in that seat would be awe memorable to my appointment and asking them to step down. this is my example of what i understood. i'm using myself of what i'm looking for in the membership of that committee. but i also thought we were going to have some more discussion or go to the legal department but first of all, it would be a very casual conversation of someone sitting in that seat.

>> yeah, so i think that was part of the issue the other question that was unresolved there was some legal question as to whether or not we could remove that person or we would have in general that authority by in this particular case it would come back to the rules committee or that the board would allow if you were assigned a term and the person who curling holds the term to ask that person to leave and appoint somebody in their place before the term was up. >> well, let me add my understanding to this understanding we just got. my understanding was that

absolutely we did discuss the possibility of having a conversation. the interpretation that ms. pullman at least had of the current board policy there's no provision for the bona fide board to remove members that are confirmed by the board. we confirmed the current folks but the interpretation was that the board would have to vote as a board to remove the person from the committee. we all agreed there is a process for removing somebody so we did ask ms. pullman to draft the policy to clarify the issue. but mime interpretation was of the current q ta members that should that person or any commissioner have a conversation

with the person and that person not wanting to step down until the commissioner who holds the seat leaves the board >> if i may i had that understanding as well. i said that it would be a conversation between the commissioner and the person sitting in the seat >> we said absolutely and it's perfectly appropriate to have that conversation. >> so in this case you couldn't remove the person by have a conversation with the person urging them to resign. >> asking them very politely. >> but you could not formally ask them to leave. >> i wasn't insnaut anything

but again to let ms. random i don't know who i would get in this straw at the seat number of 7 i might get 7 or one but either way i would be looking for a reputation of concern values if he had had drawn the straw if i choose to have the conversation with the person in the seat but i'd have an opportunity to do so. >> so to clarify what we're talking about there are current men's on the board and there's one open seat - >> excuse me. can i talk about how those folks were

poimd. >> they were appointed by full board. now we are going to each get individual appointments. now there are 6 folks that are on at different times we're going to since there's 7 seats we're going to do a random drawing and each of us are going to be assigned to those terms but we're attached to those terms so when their terms are up that's when i get the appointment >> and the reason is why is because we're trying to assign ourselves with the policy and that structure doesn't lion with our board policy. >> it's one of the things that the devil is totally in the details as your discovering. we thought it was going to be a

relatively quick discussion and it doesn't go that way >> we discuss that for two hours. do you very specific questions commissioner mcdonald >> so i'm sorry to have missed that meeting (laughter). >> it sounds like it was rocking and rolling. but i'm inquiring how many people are on this committee >> 6. >> 6. >> well, the maximum is 7. >> yeah. >> sorry there's also provision for 2 superintendant appointments so actually is it brings to total 9. >> so he gets 2 and we get 9. >> it was how it was written. >> so it's the capacity for 9 we currently have 6 and they serve a term of how long?

>> two years ago not to exceed four years so you could have a 2 year or 20/20 year terms not to exceed four. >> you can choose that. >> so it could potentially be two, two year terms. do we have any people that are currently set to cough this committee >> the board didn't appropriate anyone. no one was appointed until late 2010. so currently, the 6 michigan's members of the committee that are seated all have the same start date sometime in 2010. so they and they were all reappointed by the board in 2012.

we voted on the slate. so they're in their second two year term >> so in 2014 we could see an "x" disof all members. >> so why don't we wait until 2014 when we all would get an assigned seat or appointment. >> because there is one open seat now and the question is how this all started ways because we were trying to figure out who got the appointment. >> so why can't the superintendent do that. >> because he has two. >> so we each get one and he gets two. >> right and so out of the 7 or the 9. >> those are both open to it.

3 open seats >> so we're going to try to fill two open seats by 2014? okay >> so your trying to create a random select process to fill that one seat. you don't think we could come up with one we can all agree on one candidate. i think if we, you know, have someone brought forward it seems so random to lit one board member based on a name pulled out of the has not. i think as a board we all want to come to consensus and we want to have someone sit on the economy until 2014 when they're all removed and a let me give you background information.

the advice of legal council is to have the seat associated with the current board member. some of the board are up for re-election in 20014 and may leave the board others would be assigned to members of the board that are up for re-election. it actually would create a more smooth transition to do it this way. the other piece of information that's important if you remember the board was not particle happy when we looked at what we were trying to do the advisory committee we didn't get a lot of applications it's not a diverse

selection. so really the - the whole process above and beyond the q ta is the boards attempt to be more thought of physical and intentional how to be more involved in making sure our adversities committees are as deprives as the district and represent the district. so, you know, certainly your suggestion is there a candidate we can all agree on the issue is we don't want to go back to a situations where we're basically more interested in being part of the group but that's why this is

complex it puts us on a path that gets us closer to where we want to be in the i understand >> say to that note. i think we could possibly come up with suggestions so we're doing outreach and recruiting, you know, who's missing and that would be a seat that can be filled until 2014 and cleared out and give even an opportunity to have a seat. it doesn't feel very - it feels random on something that's important >> i think there are is actually, one member who was appointed in 2012 so he would be eligible for a second he term in

2014 if he wants to continue and not be in another job. anyway you know, i think that didn't the advice of the legal council is the housekeeping is it would be appreciable to have each seat available for the city of board member. a big part of this conversation was her remedies of socially terms with individual board members and this being a way to transition to a situation where individual board members are associated with the terms and making the appointments. if he were to make the appointment well, we've talked

about this at length >> i think we probably are having a conversation about a committee meeting. well, this is an update we're diving into the policy piece we can have a deeper conversation when you get closer to that remedies >> i think that is a recommendation. >> i certainly think they should attend with us. >> it's not a recommendation for the committee i thought that was the recommendation we would do basically unless the board has as objection to go ahead with the process. >> yeah. there was a recommendation. >> so is that going to come to the board with a vote. urging to be doing that as a committee or what the legal

recommendation why wouldn't it come to the board >> it's an administrative directive. >> it's the board to push back on the interpretation. if the board wants to say do this a different way this is the time to do that or we can refer it back to committee >> i support commissioner mendosa appointment for the one seat for the 2014. >> we can't do that the board policy doesn't allow for a one year appointment. if i appoint someone to the seat it's a two year term >> it's started off in this

random way and the struggle to get up and running is to try to right it so after we take this difficult hurdle that will be right going forward but we need to deal with it in the place it's going forward. sorry i don't think you didn't understand. whatever pennies i can throw in but again, i i was at the meeting >> we do count open commissions to bring forward representations but this seems one that changes the way in which we make appointments and the resolve seems different and a but you are saying a that's what commissions are for all i'm saying is i have the right to

ask because you're making on and on a decision on how the decisions should be. i'm trying to understand the randomness of it and, you know, perhaps i'm missing a piece of that. i get their staggered terms and we want to make sure there's a person attached to that but i don't agree with this. >> so the goal was to we're making appoints as board members. so initialing the recommendation that came to us we didn't know it was going to be so much conversatis