those changes. i'm here with supervisor marking feral and he proponent of preparing >> thanks. having me. i'd like to start with supervisor farrell why do you believe this prop a is important >> i started working on this when our city controller said we have a 4.4 blindfolds liability. number one we have retirees who worked long and a hard tossed the city of san francisco and workers that are feasor full. that's something we want to avoid and fight against we want to make sure that our seniors have their health care that were second of all the costs for our city a hundreds of thousands of

dollars. this year as chairman of our committee b it will grow to $500 million a year over the next 20 years were so preparing prop a does make sure that our cities retirees and their health care is priority for in the further. in thirty years our 4 half a billion dollars liability will be wiped-out off the books and we'll save a lot of money from 5 hundred memorial day's a year down and those hundreds of dollars of million dollars dollars will go toward neighborhood things. and to make sure we put ourselves on a course everyone is sporting and i'm proud to be part of. mr. murphy would you recycle to speak to the opposition >> yes. thanks supervisor so

far could not it's quite impressive our here to discuss that human resources as the supervisor points out the city has a whole in the retirees health care budget about the half the size of the last budget. now prop a the city sets aside money and that's not a bad thing. the idea that we can just promise things to retirees and not pay for it is obviously not a responsible concept and not something i would endorse, however, prop a is on the hard choices that are associated with paipg for a 4 mrs. billion dollars health care be liability. you have to pull that money from somewhere and prop a puts the city on the hook for paying for

that obligation that's usually by putting >> funding requirement in the charter but it didn't tell you where that money comes from there has to be taxes in the in the meantime to come up with that money. so the question i would then prop is that prop a leafs unanswered is that where is the money going to come from and we shouldn't put ourselves on the hook >> supervisor farrell. >> thank you. the money isn't coming out of thin air but prop b this mauntdz that the city employees contribute 2 percent of their pay. and the city for 2008 matches that with one percent so new

employees from as of 2009 two percent of their health care is being saved it's not coming from taxpayers in san francisco it's from city applies from the city and county of san francisco >> mr. murphy. >> sure so one of the troubling points of prop a there's a catch all in the amendment that the contributions of the employee and accident planned contribution by the city are insufficient to meet the requirements of the truth you fund the city is on the hook for the balance. which means in practical terms we have to cut from somewhere else or raise taxes. and the picture of retiree health care where we can fund health care on 3 percent of

people's annual salaries is a little bit rosy. it's not something we can really bet on with health care costs and benefit costs rising at the, you know, 3 and 44 percent. salaries rising at 3 and 4 percent rather. its far greater than the pace of inflation and greater than the contributions >> so we have a little bit of time level overview left are supervisor farrell when i started working on prop a it was important in san francisco. i made sure we assaulted with our labor and all communities. i'm proud to say we have the support of every member of the board of supervisors and the democratic party here in san francisco and the republican

party in san francisco. swms the harvey milk club and every single every elected official in is no. this is building on prop c we passed in 2011 and if we can pass prop b we'll pass at the ballot and something we should be product u proud of >> thank you, mr. murphy. >> there are promises and there are commitments. one of the pieces of language on the ballot is about candle lights and the our promises for the roasts health care. setting aside in law that the money will be there is a promise. until we condominium the enemy of money to make those commitments work is still a

promise. the commitment comes when i put the effort on the table to make health care sewer secure. the promise is nice but we have to figure out how to deliver and the funds that are available so far from the measure that the supervisor vitals i cites are again, a nice probable but that's not realty. when we passed prop a we should know where the resources come from >> we hope this information has been information active. please visit the san francisco sf elections.org. remember the voting t is available in city hall be sure to vo november 5th.

>> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hi, i'm marconi i'm here to discuss prop b the measure will be before the voters on test november 5th. they have a proposed site called - prop c is an referendum. a referendum is the process by which the voters can proof or reject legislation. a 3 point plus acres is on washington street. on 2012 the board of supervisors approved the construction of two mixed used buildings containing 3 hundred residential units and

a properly operated fitness space and under parking. in approving the project they adopted the ordinance to there the height limits. the referendum be submitted to the voters for approval or recreation. it will not take effect unless it's pass see if you vote yes. you want the ordinance passes which influences the height along drum street if you vote no. you don't want the owns which increases the heights to take effect. prop b which also concerns the washington site qualified after prop c it would create woodworking parks and housing district. the sdrishtd would include two buildings with a total of 1

hundred 21 to nine hundred 41 units and there the building from 84 feet up to 1 hundred and 36 feet. a privately owned a height of 6 stories along embarcadero and payment for the housing fund a public park and open spaces and sidewalks on at least 20 percent of the site and new case to the waterfront and ground floor retail and cafes and under gown car and bicycle parking and increased revenue to the port and city. if you vote yes open prop b you want to approve the 8 development site if you vicinity no on prop b i don't want to

approve the washington street development project. i'm here with alec the proponent of propose b and c ambassador we're also joined by on opponent of the measure >> i'd like to a start with mr. barb why are you for this as opposed to. >> i'm for the proposition because i cared about the san francisco project & using the waterfront i see this as an opportunity to open up the waterfront by opening up streets that were closed in the dark redevelopment stage when the freeway was here blocked by fence and further made ugly by a

parking lot. we need in this 3 blocks open vitality spates housing over retail shops and cafes and restaurants we need to turn those into something that's a benefit for people walking along and enjoying the embarcadero >> why are you against it. >> we're using a no vote on prop b and c. number one it changes the height all along this particle of the waterfront to almost double the size the freeway that was torn down. it also is bulky as a favorable field so instead of opening up the waterfront as argue walking along the waterfront a lot of your views of acquit r coit tower will be restricted. number 3 it increases the

heights along the waterfront because there's 3 other particles along the north waterfront. f it destroys the tense club it's been use that i thousands of san franciscans for years and it's being built too close to a sewer line with great risks to the sewer line. height, bulk, sewer risk, precedent. and then to on top of it in prop b which is written by the developer the developer he gets special rules to approve his project. if this isn't enough to vote no on b and c i think it is >> mr. barb there's been some confusion regarding prop b and c why walls prop b was added

later. >> proposition c only asked for the approval the height. we thought it was critical that the voter be able to see what the whole project was with all the benefits. as to the height only a small frooshg of the height 85 percent is much lower than those allotted on the waterfront. if you look at the model you'll see the project is very modest in its heights which are the buildings around it are larger. this is the same project that did board of supervisors approved is to have a special clearance to assure whatever planning views is the same as

what the voters are approved that's why we're urging yes o.j. on b and c >> i think number one if the developer addressed the sole question of whether or not people want to there the height limits almost twice the size of the freeway thirty thousand citizens put other than the ballot that's the only question. prop b was a way to get around addressing the height limits itself but did they address even in their title the height or the bulk of the building along the waterfront no. instead, they called it access to the embarcadero. even in their attorneys any of their attorneys in their door hangs or tv ads do they mention

the building or address the height or address the budget. no, they tried to address other issues which i'm happy to explain are red herrings. >> thank you, mr. barb. >> everywhere i live i talk about the buildings and height. the idea is to put the whole project out there it's the other side who wants to hide the fact if you look at the models there's some real stunt to enjoy the waterfront and talking about red herrings. what louis mentioned about the sewer that's a redundant sewer system that the city a having and the project sponsor is helping with an easement.

thargz to work closely that the puc engineers of the city and by unanimous vote going forward with the plans. talking about red herrings and misleading campaigns remember where's the beef where's the wall on the waft that the adverse talk about. it's half the height of the 6 floor believe on the waterfront but it should be looking much higher. that's been sliding in their campaign literature and they ignore the benefits on the waterfront >> well, we've only used the

builders plan. if you look at the litter pit forward by the prop b folks it doesn't show the height and if you're going to stand in sue bear man park it's a wall. and as i say this sets the precedent for on down the northern freeway. frankly, i think this is a fight for the future of the northern waterfront were and as to the sewer i don't make up that there was an engineering report that was buried in city hall until two days after all the environmental review processes came out and only because a whistle blower came forward arrest i think this year serious planning issues and to the

model. it's interesting after the high buildings that were built citizens back several years ago were in an uproar. as you look along the waterfront. you say the fontana towers that was a wake up call. we've got to protect our northern waterfront and i think a no vote on b and c is slightly critical as a wake up call to all of san francisco hey, we want to protect our northern waterfront. that's where the syria club and coalition of neighbors the democratic party, affordable housing folks are all in support of a no vote on proposition b and c >> mr. barb any thoughts and a year and a half there's a lot of support for proposition b and c

from spur and labor and planning and several other democratic clubs. there are a huge number of people who are not afraid of the scare tactics that are being used to try to compare this with the fontana towers it's on the image of downtown. the reason the planning department that suggested having higher heights is because the proximity felt buildings near by. all the properties have height limits the city plans call fooz 40 feet and the idea this is going to set any precedent is a scar tactic and i'm surprised others are fall for that. you see what you get and you see the benefits to the people of

san francisco >> we're talking about a one hundred and thirty luxury condos that on the waterfront. there's a lot of money involved here and only a few people that are able to live in those condos so this is bizarre and it does set a precedent. that's why too we'll e we're going to bring parks. guess what, there's an open space at the corner like the sized of a tennis courts. this initiative is about housing not affordable housing yes by law their required to put in $11 million elsewhere but it's not about housing it's rich

people's housing and number 3 they're just moving this over and straightening it out. our argument is actually this is not opening up the waterfront. certainly for the public it's restricting the waterfront >> thank you both very much for your time. do you have any final thoughts >> yeah. it makes an lifting million dollars benefit to the fund it's equivalent to 40 thousand units this is a real tount opportunity for the city. and the park spaces that are being added thirty thousand secreting square feet it's 3 times the size of the downtown area. this fight is really about the

future of the northern waterfront. do we want to have a northern waterfront that that is open and available important people. the answer we think is yes, but vote no on b and c if you really want to protect the northern waterfront please vote no on b and c otherwise we're going to have high riser that are in the spirit of san francisco >> thank you both unfortunately we're out of time. we hope this discussion was inform stiff for more information please san francisco protect without any doubt sf.org 1928 remember early voting is viable

♪ hi, i'm naomi ma con i'm here to discuss proposition d on november filth. they spend more $23 million for drugs health care services laguna hospital and sf county jail. encourage he authorize outside companies to negotiate drug prices and prop d will reduce the prescription drugs that would set policy that the city continue to negotiate with the drug companies to reduce the costs and ask the state lovers to reduce the drug prices by 1/3rd if you vicinity you want

to make it city policy to reduced the prescription drugs and i want the city to ask state and federal representatives to sponsor legislation for drugs brings paid by government if you vote not. i'm here with the lady ms. cell we're joined by the former member of the president and on opponent to the measure. thank you for being here. i'd like to start with ms. kelly. why do you feel this proposition is so important. and a well, this is the first in the nation on drug pricing. this is a policy that will put san francisco in the forefront of fighting for lower priced drugs. it's very important we do that.

i know for a fact a sister who has parkinson's and a friend who has diabetes. sometimes, people have to decide between into custody and drugs. this allows tour at the to go on record to ask for fair pricing on drugs. to bargain for fair pricing on drugs the way the veterans administration does. it only applies to the money that the city pays for drugs. month drugs go to people with aid and to children and to a poor srnz and disabled people. this will allow. though have for money for the drugs those people need and not have to turn it away. that's all it's doing. it's a policy.

and also will askor lovers in the city and our lovers in the state to work for this fair drug prirgz within the state and within the national government and this is what we need to bring the ac a up and help that >> mr. faifrj. >> this is the right before his the roman order touched on that. what we need it money is needed for research. this particular dispute start over the pricing of t bolt which is an aids drug and it's cost it's put out by june lane scientific. people objected to the costs and on the other hand, the cost of the drugs went into the hundreds

of million dollars that's a difficult problem and the city of san francisco has been paying for this drug if this drug didn't exist there's many people who wouldn't be alive. we need the money for the groups that do the research. many drugs fail that are successful. just two days ago our pharmaceuticals opened $14.04 the next day it was down. $11 declined in one day 66 percent. it's a pear cancer drugs. that's typical are what happens. i site overlooking another one there was a suddenly drop back in agriculture those repeatedly happen. i have to compensate our research companies otherwise they're not going to be in the field and costs lives.

this is the position of the house and a senate 33 they have to encourage the companies in order to save lives. ms. kelly while this sound like a great change many people are reluctant to building they'll see a difference >> i really want to talk about would the opponent of this just said. i don't have the money to buy drugs myself. i also don't have the money to buy stock in drugs companies on let me just tell you something the ceo's make hundreds of millions of dollars. there's enough money for r&d. every year those companies are a profit and every year more people can't afford their medication.

there's a difference between being very rich and ridiculously rich. this gentleman says that congress wants the pharmacies so have the money and congress wants money from the pastes to keep returning for offices. they spend more money on politics and fighting against thienl that are spent on r&d. this is extremely important. this is going to help the people of san francisco are. f that work in every other country we're is only country that is gouged like that canada and france isn't mr. faulkner would you like to respond >> the truth