go, i would recommend getting ahold in the bay view of green action for health and environmental justice and they are a green action and that is one word, green action.org and in part, and because they do a lot of very important work in that neighborhood to call attention to the ills of brownfield and sites that are in that neighborhood, thanks. >> thank you. >> dr. espinosa? >> right. >> good afternoon. dr. jackson, and i am not here to not support because i believe that this is the first contract that this group is getting and they have been in the community for years. but i do have some concerns when we talk about the brownfield, and i ran into some concerns from years ago, especially with the fact that the trail, i talked to... and i

guess the trail going into the areas about two weeks ago, because of the fact that is a very toxic area and especially, i can't remember the name of that group, that they supplied to build a school. and... thank you sweetheart. >> the ledge. and what happened is after the ledge got the money the woman who was in charge left and went to new york. but the thing of it that is a toxic site over there, where that building is, and when they built the big enough and i have been at meetings with pg&e and i requested that they go more than five feet that they go 20 feet and they thanked any that they went 25 feet and guess what? but all of the stuff that they found, 25 feet down.

the thing of it is because of the fact that area is landfill, mostly, i have been in the bay view hunter's point since 1948 i know about the area and all of the landfills and where the landfill was done, most people are unaware that a lot of that area looks good, but it is not good. so, if there is going to be out reach, you need to out reach like the young man stated a minute ago with those groups that have been involved and especially with the green action and i will go to the meeting if i find out about it

position on this matter was not about principle, and not about what, you know, and not about what i proceed to be what was right as opposed to championing one particular organization over another, that is what i heard, now in my community, and i did not appreciate it. and i don't appreciate the organization saying that and people from our community coming back and telling me that that is how they, that is how they felt. so i don't appreciate that. and i want to make everybody, and i want to make it clear to everybody that my stance on that i took previous on this issue, was about the principle of it, and i did not want to, and i could have explained that

but in explaining that i would have to go into detail of the interview and that would have been incorporate and that being said i just want to be clear with people, it was not been championing one organization over another it was about principle. >> and if i could jump out there and say that you know maybe one of us should have said that for commissioner king and because i think that the sentiments stated by the commissioner king when we did decide to go through a new process were maybe first expressed by commissioner king and then shared by all of us about the process. and so, otherwise we would not have gone back, done the process again, and be here today ready to award the grant to a good organization and move forward, and so thank you. director nutter for the process of going back out at the he could rfp and going to annie for all of your hard work and look forward to hearing how it

goes from dca. >> yes, commissioner wan? >> i don't need to know too much of details i am wondering what is the measurable objectives for this grant and what is the generous charity? >> it is a good question, annie? >> sorry, okay. we have two years to complete a community-wide assessment in support of the development of the blue, green way. and so, we could look at the sites along the water front, or of the areas in close proximity that will serve as the linkages or the green connections to the water front to basically open up the water front access so that the local residents can enjoy the biking, walking and getting some exercise, and so we hope to eventually, secure more funding, and after we do the assessment to clean up some brown fill sites and provide

more recreation spaces for healthy activities. >> how many residents will they reach out to? is there a number that they have to review? >> so bca did submit a proposal to us and i believe that the number that was proposed in the work plant was 250. but we have two years and we will conduct some out reach along in partnership with the dca and. with know that this project of the green waste project has been under way for several years and so there has been a number of stake holders and as i stated earlier we want to build the bridges and we want to conduct the out reach to the diverse communities. and so both the department staff and bca will collect input from the local residents, and the stake holders on the sites to look at, and how we prioritize those sites and try to develop a vision for how we will create more open space. and recreational space in the

south east area so we can have greater access to the water front. >> okay. thank you. annie. >> thank you. >> any other questions? questions or a motion? >> motion, what is the motion? commissioner josefowitz? >> to approve the resolution. >> the motion is approved. >> second. >> seconded by commissioner stephenson. all of those in favor, say aye. >> aye. >> motion passes, aye. and approved. thank you, look forward to working with you. >> next item is update proposed agenda for the bay view commission meeting and proposal for the future commission meeting plan in the community, and continued from the august 6, meeting and commissioner arce, speaker is donald oliveira and the public out

reach program manage and her this is an informational report and discussion item. >> thank you and actually maybe i can turn it over to commissioner king. >> no. this is our plan that was continued from the last item, bless you commissioner wan. >> that have the conversation about what could be our first community meeting. >> and i want to once again really thank donny. for taking the initiative about this and he has a multitude of other things to do and responsible for and i can't over state how appreciative i am for donny and for director nutter to allow staff to carry out the additional requests, and this has been a very active

board, and since mr. arce, various requests of it and previously we might have done and so i just want to make sure that we recognize that mr. oliveira is going to work out on the things that we are going to ask him to do. >> amen to that. >> so much like commissioner is very interested in taking the commission meetings, and into the community. and i think that we discussed the road show concept. and but one of the intentions that i like to challenge ourselves to do so with a purpose and meaning that we ask them to host, that they are not just to you know, to hear the communities, and interests as well. and second, my proposal tonight is two-fold, one is to propose to a meeting in december, and

there is a specific date that the next commission meeting, and both are recommended and the proposed dates are in play for us as well and discuss the second proposal of how to go forward in the future with the other community meetings. and it was in the presentation, everything else has been quick and to continue with that i will share those proposals and we can follow up by e-mail. so the recommendation for the december meeting will be to host it and we have located and two locations, and easily, and the bay view library and also, you know, the consideration. and the opera house. >> and at that meeting, we would like to along with, you know the existing agenda for the future, also to take time to do the bay view initiative

and it was a newly formed group consisting of city departments and local, holders and service providers that is looking at working with the community to develop a resilientcy plan also in the face of a real time climate change and on health and the community infrastructure and it would be an opportunity to meet with the activated residents and in the community leaders, in the bay view, and the vision for the bay view and my recommendation is for us to host the commission meeting and in december to at that point will be in six months for the project and a lot to share and hosting almost biweekly meetings about the different projects so to the commission for this and to be focused around the bay view initiative. and thank you very much. >> thank you very much, donny.

>> i see commissioner king. >> colleagues, thoughts and comments? >> thank you again, for all of your hard work. and in the moment, we will hear commissioner king first. >> number one, it is going to be... and commend to the out reach and we will attempt to increase my level of engagement with donny. and i am saying this on the record, and also that donny speaks to you in january, he can tell you how fantastic commissioner king was, that is my goal. and it is not only about me. and with that being said, this is fantastic, and i agree that we need to also give the community the opportunity to give us back as it educates us about how we go about our work and so, that is fantastic and i

received that. >> thank you, commissioners king, commissioner wald? >> i too think this sounds like a fantastic idea. i strongly second what commissioner king has said about an opportunity to providing an opportunity for residents to give us feedback on matters of concern to them and as a matter of historical record, and work on the commission and maybe even not our director, will know, that the reason why san francisco has the gag ordinance is because x-years ago, i can't remember when, the commission had a meeting in china town. >> yes. >> where a percentage of the

people who came and spoke to us complained about plastic bags littering in their neighborhood. and i would like to have that sort of linkage as you know, sort of the goal of, and although i realize, and i can't realize it every time, but that should be the goal of the work that we do as a commission in the community. that we hear what they have to say, and we provide a meaningful response to issues of concern to them and the second point that i wanted to make is that it is to suggest that we should have a strong, and a regular agenda as we possibly can. and in order to maximize the time that is devoted to the residents of the bay view, or any other communities that we

go to. >> and so, it will take, you know, some real, talking to, on our parts to make that happen. but let's really try to have an outward directed meeting when we are in the neighborhood. >> what he said about the agenda and that is a great opportunity and i hope that this is the first of many. commissioner stephenson? >> i agree about what wald said about keeping the agenda small and i think that in the out reach efforts it will be great if we threw some questions out there to get the people thinking about if they want to come and i don't want to have a tiny agenda and not have a

fruitful discussion and this is a second thing is that it might be a little picky point but i believe when we approved the budget for our commission meetings to be televised, that there was an additional cost if we did it in a community site and i don't know if we have to approve that before we go out there to do it or we can slide that under. >> nice catch. >> we talked about that for a long time. >> so i want to make sure that if we do have to approve it we do it. >> right, okay. >> and on that point, too. one consideration that we talk about what commissioner san franciscos said and if the facility.. and saves the department 600 bucks on the added cost for the remote. i want to say monica that you have the mind for all of these details and i want to say that there is an extra 800 if there was no amplification or verses

the number or another $200 if there was. >> and i don't recall, there was an added cost for having the meeting out in the community. and also based on those factors but i don't remember what the exact amount was. >> so, we might want to we could, it sounds like we could maybe, talk off line to... >> actually that could be part of the motion when we take the action we could talk to our deputy city attorney to see if that is something contemplated by the way that we agendaize this. and not really, informational report and discussion. we are, and the city attorney, and are we able to essentially provide approval of the potential of the additional cost of tell vicing our meeting? >> and you could urge the director to look into it and

urge that the expenditure be a priority for the commission. >> okay. >> and so, maybe that was something right at this moment that i was thinking maybe we should hear from our director, too, what she thinks and what we have not talked about tonight and i know that there is a question of logistics that we have gotten to, probably within 1 or 2 dates and our regularly scheduled commission meeting falls two days before thanksgiving. and on that date, we have full participation of the full commission for the commissioner josefowitz and director nutter and one of the things that we learned and just to throw out a couple of ideas and one thing that is great about tonight is probably we have one of the longest standing community leaders to give us thoughts on this, but commissioner king, chaired almost ten years of hunter's point pack meetings and one of the things that i learned from this is that it was almost like, it could be

high participation or low participation, the week before thanksgiving and again, without having too much of a logistical conversation and we get the same if we go out to the community on december 10th, tuesday, december 10th at 5:00 and the other option will be december third, and we can poll all of the commissioners but commissioner josefowitz will be available but as of at least yesterday morning, director nutter was not available and i don't know if any of that has changed but director, what do you think and thank you for helping us to shepherd this through with donny to get us here. >> commissioners as you have heard, the proposal from donny and the department, and i think that based on the fact that we want to take this out into the community sooner other than later based on the fact that we

are on the groundworking and we have a partner and an active project to engage and that will address the issues of how do we keep the agenda open in terms of the business, but still have something good and substantive to talk about while engaging the community and partner and so impersonally very excited about it and i think that it is certainly as we discussed that we want to make sure that we have the resources to support us going into the community and so i don't think that the financial aspect will be an issue. i think that if we, or if you approve this resolution and you want to urge that we just check our budget to insure that we can cover the cost, i would proceed and let you know if there are any concerns but i don't think that there would be at this point. >> all right and maybe that is something from the public, it is your money, do you want us spending it in that way and someone want to speak to that and weigh in. but, unless there is any further comments from colleagues, donny, do you want. >> and i am just doing go*eg to.

>> and in regards to the future meetings and as we go beyond this bay view, and december meeting and my commissioner it will be to be considerate for the decision to go back into the community to build around this like in the december meeting and so that we do have an agenda that is willing to get that feedback. and commissioner stephensons mentioned and also to show case the work that the partners are doing and the intention to actually do that. >> and thank you for all of your hard work. and so, if we can hear from the public, thoughts, ideas. what do you want to see? what do you think? and starting off, of course, with dr. jackson. >> thank you, this is a good day. and i hear that we are finally going to get to bay view hunter's point but one of the things that i want you to think

about which would not be at any cost, would be the staff east at the room at the community college because they have the hook ups and everything and when the other supervisors as well as commissioners come to bay view hunter's point that is where they go. because everything is already there. so it would not be no cost to you, not if you want to bring me some water. or chips or something. >> but, i would want to say thank you very much. and you know, for taking it under consideration and going to finally meet in bay hunter's point and maybe you can get a tour and i can give you a tour of the community so you know that it is safe there but i don't know if they have the outlets at the two places that he mentioned because of the fact that i know that everything is there at the south east college.

>> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> okay. >> all right. >> i think that dr. jackson is correct. and you will find that there will be more parking, and it will probably be more accommodating and it will bring commissioner king back to his hold stomping grounds and he is very familiar with that particular location. and we support the department of the environment coming into the bay view hunter's point. and this is absolutely important. that that partnership with the community be established. and be continued to, you know, let folks know, you know, some

of the things that you know, could happen, as i was telling you earlier, i left the port commission and guess what they are talking about is they are talking about the rising of the tides, you know? and anyone who has ever seen the original map of the bay view hunter's point and you ask about the question why was it called san francisco, because it was very disconnected to the city by water. and so, as all of the commissioners mentioned today, that it seems like that was up to the department and the port. and it seems like the natural state geographics are taken back, you know, they are territory which means, again, we need to prepare, you know, for what, you know could happen. and we are talking about, you

know, an area, as we have mentioned that is you know, highly produced by landfill, and so, and if you look at, you know, canals and streets, and the estuary with the creek and you really see that there is a possibility of a tragedy, but if we prepare it correctly, we can avoid and it could... and you know, we could educate that community about why it looks the way that it looks. and how we can avoid any, you know, any complications with the shaker, or you know, the rising tides. and so thank you for coming out. and we look forward to making sure that you are greeted

professionally, and we will see you there, whatever day you all decide to pick. >> thanks, mr. bryant. >> mr. brooks? >> good evening, one more time, green party and local grassroots organization and city. and so it is really awesome to see that this is happening. and i would urge you and caution you to leave yourself plenty of time that night to run late because i don't live in the bay view, but because of my work, i have stood in herings and many other venues side by side with the bay view residents and especially around the toxic waste sites and just i must have been the scores of hearings at city hall and the board of supervisors and other

agencies, and san francisco public utilities commission and the residentses of the bay view gets up over and over and over and over again. and raise very serious issues about impacts on their neighborhood. and rarely get listened to. and so you are going into a community that is very frustrated and has not been heard much. and that includes on the votes for things that go down in the neighborhood. and it took, i don't know, how many decades it took to get the waste water treatment plan set up to be renewed but it was way overdue, miss jackson, dr. jackson could tell you about that one. but the point is, please are patient, and be allow yourselves an entire very long evening to hear from the public in case that is what happens. because people need to be able to come to you as the department of the environment, to be different than the other agencies that they have spoken with, or spoken in front of before and to listen and to

prepare and for the staff to prepare responses to what they learn. and so this department can help facility, solving the problems in the bay view hunter's point and then, better environmental problems faster. and so i would just commend you for doing this, and please do it more than once and please make sure that you hear them out. and also, be aware that even if it is not brought up at that meeting the other thing that i would tag on to what i said about the sea level rise is that you might have seen about a weak and a half ago in the papers a warning that the possible tsunami danger from alaska and the earth quakes is more than the scientists thought it was so if you take that science othat i raised and the sea level rise and mixing with the chemicals and the earthquake and mixing up with the chemicals more and throwing them all over the community and you add to that a 25-foot tsunami wave hitting the coast

of california that will get 8 feet inside of bait as a flood surge, we are talking katrina and sandy and maybe a little bit of (inaudible) thrown in altogether because of the nature of those. so give everything that you can to this community thanks. >> thank you, mr. brooks. >> any other comments? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. and perhaps since we are still handling logistics through the operations maybe we can move this to off line, i would be happy to help around scheduling but that does souped sound like we are down to one of two dates and we have great ideas from donny and some insight tonight and is sounds like there is a direction to find the resources to do this and the support from the public and unless there is any other discussion, i don't know that there is any action to be taken.

seeing no further discussion, thank you, everyone. could we look at item 11. >> discussion and options for the commission of the environment annual retreat and policy committee input and continued from the august 6th meeting and sponsor and speaker gravanis and wald and it is a informational and report and discussion item. >> thank you very much. first i need to say that on behalf of commissioner gravanis who i have not actually talked to but she is of course very sorry to miss this meeting. she almost never misses any meetings, and it is only because she is sick and i know that she must be very frustrated because tonight topic is one that she has saved. >> and she taken the interest in and indeed, was that the guiding force for a