bag, which i know was not the intention and i have not seen the whole documentary, but maybe perhaps to compliment that finding and documentary, such as, you know, police brown's plight or there is a stanford, the prison experiment, 1971 they did a follow up, decades later to get the perspectives on the scientists that did that at stanford. so, happy to contribute to making the process better and the information more useful. >> thank you very much >> any further public comment? >> none, public comment is closed. >> item three, report and announcements 3a, chief and report's review of recent activities. >> good evening commissioners. >> good morning, chief. >> and i think that just the

best news to do a very successful halloween, no major incidents have known, and on the morning report that we get of all sorts of events involving robbie and had has the two events on halloween night and as the halloween goes and someone works and a lot of hall weans back in the day to only to have two in two significant events of note was a very successful halloween and that said, we have had a rough week so far this week and we suffered two homicides this week, and we had one early, on tuesday morning, at about 7:00 a.m.. and on the 57 yale in the bay view district. and we believe that that was with the blunt object. and officers have some leads on that, that they are actually working and then this morning, at about 4:50 a.m., the third and bryant and the southern, there was a vehicle in the area of third and bryant and another vehicle stopped next to it and fired several shots into that

vehicle, striking one person in the car. when the officers responded on the scene, the driver of the car, the passenger of the car and one of the other passengers in the car had fled the scene and were not available for an interview. the other person that was in the backseat with the victim has been uncooperative so far. so, obviously there is something to this entire story, if anybody is watching tv and knows someone that was at the scene and can help us out, that will be appreciated which brings me to my next ask of the public which is a missing person that has been getting some news, we posted a picture of a person leaving mcdonalds who has used this missing person's credit card, paul meadow, from brazil, came to san francisco on october 25th but he was actually last heard from on october 28th, and made a phone call from a location in the mission district.

that he could not exactly say where he was. but he told 911 when i was talking with them that his phone was going, that his phone was dying. that phone has not since come back up. and which is pretty uncommon. and his sister and his, flew, to san francisco and made the missing person's report, and the day before halloween. and we have been doing everything that we can possibly think of to find mr. meadows since to the point where we posted the picture and hoping that someone can come forward. if anyone knows where he is, even if you don't want to tell us, but he want to tell us that he is okay, if you know who the person in the mcdonald's picture is you can tell us who that person is so we can have a conversation and that will be appreciate and in the meantime the missing persons has been doing a great job with along with the team and we are hopeful that we can find him before anything, befalls him. and on the high side, we did

make a significant robbery arrest on monday. they found a vehicle double parked and a woman with her hands above her head and then the officers then came to the female pedestrian's aid and the suspect fled and the silver hand gun in hand and the officers were able to arrest him without incident and the gun was recovered and the suspects are to believe to be part of many, many robberies and over many, many districts across the city, and we are working to clear all of those cases in this series. so, basically, the officers are out, working hard, and at the same time, again, still trying to engage our kids at our great day-to-day where sullivan of the bay view is awarded four scholarship to kids at 1800 oak

dale and concert with the rotary something that we started three or four years ago. and the crowd keeps getting bigger, and again, trying to get all of the kids as much education and opportunity as we can. and so with that, any help that the public can give us on any of that, the projects that are under way and we will appreciate it and we can't do it by ourselves and i do want to finish with the response that miss brown, we did talk, and i did look up physical the fix folks that she has on there, i have done the work, we don't have anyone that has come for, that i know that x did it and i will not testify. we have in the total, street information, rumor, whatever, but it has all the same names. which some are all of the six and then miss brown has, three of the people on her list, mr. hunter is deceased and mr.

thomas is doing a six-year sentence in the state prison for robbery, and paris moffet is in federal custody for several years, primarily for drug violations. so, as far as the other three, i am working right now, i know that one of them recently just got out of custody doing a year on a patrol violation, but as we have talked with the admin and it is the unintended consequence has been the blowing up to the patrol and probation system that is a work in progress, at least three of these guys are not in custody for the homicide which is regrettable and if anyone has any information, the tip line is 575-4444. we need somebody to come forward and say something if we are going to make this homicide cases in the meantime, we try to focus on these guys, who are good, bad guys for whatever we can. that is my report. >> thank you, chief. any questions for the chief?

>> okay, please call 3 b. >> 3 b, occ direct's report and discussion of recent activities. >> good evening, director hicks. >> good evening, and today. oc c chief trial attorney and i attended a presentation at the school of law at uc berkeley and it was on analyzing the police encounters with the public. and it was sponsored by the uc berkeley graduate school of education and the speaker was ucsd, sociology professor dr. jeffrey raymond and he presented his initial findings from a large scale observational study of police encounters with the report. and he determined from his initial data, that when an officer acknowledges, registers and responds to a civilians,

verbal participation in the encounter and in other words, when the officer acknowledges that the civilian is requesting something that cooperation by that civilian can increase 20-fold, and reduce the use of force and during this presentation, he also expects his thanks to the san francisco police department that participated in the study and he said that all ten district stations participated in the city, and there were other police departments that participated as well. and those police departments that had, the video cameras in their cars and they relied on those videos for the data, with the san francisco police department, and researchers actually had video cameras to video tape the encounters. and the goal of this study which is ongoing, and there are

three goals, during the study one is to understand how the police encounters are organized in the interactional dynamics that give rise to the use of force during the encounter. and the second is to describe communication practices that police officers can use to promote encounters with the civilians and to qualify, how effective these practices are in reducing the use of force and the third one is to contribute to the curriculum on that, that states, such as post and county agencies used to training the police officers. and, again, i will under score that he expressed his appreciation for the work that he did with the san francisco police department. and on a more local note, david lazar from the police academy has arranged for the occ investigator and lawyers to participate in the force opposite, and me, simulator

training throughout this month and on monday, i participated in the training, with the group of other occ employees, and it was very useful training for our staff to understand the options, the four options that officers have available to them and the scenarios that officers are faced with. in using force. and next week, i will provide the commission with the october monthly, comprehensive statistical report as well as the third quarter report and that concludes this report. >> thank you. >> and this is interesting, because the summary, but was there any mention about our police officers do anything different than the other departments. >> yes, there absolutely was. but there were, and there were not a lot of anecdotes that were used, because again, this is a one and a half hour

academic presentation and these were initial findings. but, he certainly did indicate that how officers interact with the public is shaped by the culture of the organization that the officer works for. and the policies and practices that a particular organization has. >> we will be happy with our culture and policy. and you might answer my question. >> you could be going into those details. and he knows that in the audience and he simply did not and he was very, appreciative. >> great. >> and how did you do the four options and did you pick up a complaint? >> i am kind of slow. and slow to draw my weapon, but

on a good shot. >> okay. >> and so noted. >> and i think that it was everyone, because it... >> and thank you. >> and thank you for sharing that with me. questions for director hicks? thank you very much, director. thank you. >> good. and let's call item 3 c. commission reports and discussion, commission president's report and commissioner's reports. >> it was a busy week last week, although they were dark, we started last wednesday, early myself and commissioner turman and marshal met with reverend brown and he is the president of the naac, p and director hiks was present and the chief and it was a good meeting and we heard the concerns from the neighborhood and the chief did an excellent job and you were great and there were some statistics that

were provided by the aclu that were wrong if not completely false. and i think that you are gracious and you were good. and i think that brown has good things that he shared with us and a lot of it stems from the perceptions, and we talked about everything from recruiting in the police department, to interactions out there. and i want to thank him because he did very well and i think that he cleared up a lot of misconceptions and i think that he did a great job and i was prout of you. and we left that meeting and drove on down to the town hall meeting like he did after very police shooting, to discuss an officer involved shooting and it was actually by the best attended and he did a great job saying that this was an isolated incident and it is a safe neighborhood and i live in

that neighborhood and i agree that it is a safe neighborhood. and i think that the response that we got for the neighborhood was that people were very, very, complimentary of the police officers and something to note about this who thing was that it can't, and we have more witnesses of the officer involved shooting than we have had on anything and the people producing business cards and coming forward and i think that those witness iss why the suspect what is ap ap prehended and so compliments to the community and the officers that were involved. commissioners? anything that you would like to report? >> okay. >> police call 3 d. >> commissioner announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration for future consideration meetings. >> next meeting is here at 5:30 room 400 and the thursday wednesday we are dark and we get into the holiday which will be the 27 and this we don't

have any community meeting fors this month, because of that. and i don't know if you want to wait until january. >> great, and i want to make one announcement and tonight we are going to adjourn in honor of retired district attorney investigator law enforcement debbie water field who passed away. and for the service, and unfortunately we could not be there along with inspector, and i have known her since he was about 12 years old. and she has been a member of the police family and her former husband is a prominent retired san francisco police officers and so we will adjourn if her honor as she has her memorial service and may she rest in peace. commissioners? >> she was also very proactive for the officers for justice. >> and she also made the very best chocolate cake that i have every had in my public life. >> i miss debbie.

>> yes. >> and any public comment with reference to line items 3 a, b, c, or d? >> hearing none, public comment is closed call item number four and i am going to turn that over, actually to vice president turman. >> and item four, discussion and possible action to adopt san francisco police commission resolution establishing required submissions and reports and scheduling recurring reports or to take other action. >> thank you, mr. secretary. actually i will be discussing this item along with commissioner kingsley. and in your packets you you have a copy of the resolution, this resolution has been i think that renewing a year and the reason that we have been working on this project and it is geared toward making sure that we understand, and keep track of all of the

responsibilities, reports, and requirements, that membership on this commission requires. it also references any and all reports referenced in the administrative code and the charter, or those created by the dgo as well as commission resolution as well. it has been thoroughly vetted and approved by the department, thank you, chief. thank you, deputy chief oko and it has been vetted as well, with the occ. and we have a few other items that we want to amend, based on the last, many comments that i want to thank director hicks for providing and it has been a lot of work by two very competent very dedicated assistant deputy city attorneys, so thank you very

much for your assistance on that as well. so, with that, i think that we have discussed the resolution, in detail. and it has received the approval of those who were required to do most of the reporting. we have tried to trim out things that we really could trim out and i think that there are a few items that we just need to cover and then we can take any questions that you may have on it. did you want to cover up the one that... >> yeah, thank you, commissioner turman. on page 6 of the resolution, there is an action item 15, and in speaking with director hiks, regarding this item, subsequent to this hand out being printed and contributed. we would like to include or

director hiks proposed this modification. instead of reading as it presently reads there would be a modification, so that it would read, occ director's quarterly report on pending investigations, to be submitted to the commission and board of supervisors, period. and another sentence will be added. for the fourth quarter report, that is the march report in parenthesis may be included in the annual report. and that annual report that is being referred to are in both items 16 and 50. i agree, with director hicks on this, i think that it makes sense. the change that she proposed and think that we ought to go with that. and so that is really the only change. >> 60 and 50? >> 15.

the language would just modify 15. >> if you look at exhibit a, if the resolution itself, sort of outlining exactly what our responsibilities are, and it is from the exhibit a and we have done the commission and we have tried to organize it so that the people so that we understand from a challenging perspective which each and every one of these items will arrive during the calendar year and also clearing that with the occ and the departments as well. and ask a question, and now that we have exhibit a and that will be provided to the commission secretary and so the commission secretary will be responsible for insurancing that the items hit the agenda at the appropriate time. >> that is right.

>> and i think that it is also worth noting that not everything that appears itemized in the first section, that comes on to the agenda, and not all are at an agenda and but they are just reports that will be included in the packet and other israel ems that go on the consent calendar. >> great. >> and it looks more onerous than it is. this calendaring. >> i have to thank both of you and this is incredible and i know that you both put a lot of time and effort into this and a lot of, you also, public should know that both commissioners kingsley and turman went through the reports that we were doing before and eliminated a lot of things that we have done has been reactionary and that have taken place and there is no longer a need for the reports but some have been merged into the department general orders and so i want to thank you for just

really doing a complete, house cleaning and keeping this on track here, this is awesome. >> well, a lot of that credit goes to deputy, sitting attorney, mahony and just katie porter as well. >> great. >> and as well, as, you know, the department representatives in particular, and department chief, tony olka and the director hiks, and i will put a great deal of effort into this too and so many thanks to them as well. >> oh,, thank you. >> is there any questions from other commissioners? >> commissioner loftus, you are first. >> thank you, president mazzucco. >> this is just a tremendous body of work and i being here with the commissioner i am so grateful that there is a framework that we are actually required to do, given the number of lawyers that we have on the commission and we like to follow the rules and we hold the other people to follow the rules and we should know what the rules are that we are accountable. thank you for that and it will be help follow for me to know

what reports we took off. in large part because, one of the things having been in government, but now being outside in government and outside of government in the non-profit is that the one piece that you guys probably already fought through and i am not benefiting from the analysis is what the utility is because i think that there are a number of reports that are require and when i look at the calendar and i am overwhelmed by, what looks like we are sufficiently calendared for the entire year, on the things in the past and one of the things in the law enforcement and the police issue ss leaving enough space for us to react to the issues reacting in time and making sure that we are looking in the forward and not just in the past, at the california, department of justice and one of the issues that i know that brown did is look at all of the statutory required report and say did someone actually use this or did it go into a box?

and so, for me, it would be great if you guys could talk about that or give a sense of what we called and, if we have any sense of whether this is just on the list that is required to an admin code or whether we really identified that there is something who use its and it is valuable information and because i know that i feel for myself that there is always information that i want from the department and i feel like recognizing the resources and that i want to make sure that they have room to be responsible to this commission. and just keeping up what was in the past. >> thank you, commissioner loftus, for your comments. and you are right, that is one of the reasons why, we started to work on this and created this resolution, is because, we really did not have the enormous number of reports that were coming in to us and want to take a look and see what are we required to do and what we

have committed through the condition and through the resolution and so we have sorted through all of that and there are some items of this charter and ago, and that we can't do anything about that more than just list it at this point, because there are requirements in terms of the commissioner resolutions, and they are included in here, i believe that most all of them are, and if there is something and i think that the productive part of this discussion will be what items on here that are commissioned resolution, requirements, that you know, you would think that maybe you no longer had to do it and we could, we could reduce and we did as much as we could without flying in the face of these requirements and we did not believe as to the commissioners

that we did not take the prerogative to it. >> to take anything off that was created by the resolution and it is up to the whole commission to make that decision. and we thought that we needed to get a full picture, you know, first and so there is something on the resolution that you would like to take off? >> i think that is a longer conversation, because i think that i could probably, i would... i feel myself that i need more information about some of these reports because for instance, what we could do is if the members of this commission did analysis about the reports and even if the admin code had a you facility utility and we can say that these reports do not have utility but they take a significant amount of the resource and would like to clear up those and i am sure that the board of supervisors have other issues that they might want and so i would guess that we could go through as

questions for the line item and on some of these, or, my thought would be on if any fellow commissioners weigh in because i could be in the minority on this. and that, i don't know that i have enough information to make a determination of whether or not all of these reports, i am a little hesitant to approve a resolution that says that all of these reports are required. >> while all of these reports as of right now are required. >> i understand that, but are also talking about... >> but if you want, another process in which we start to eliminate the reports i think that is useful as well. that is not this process. >> got it. >> this is just getting us in line of where we are today and i am more than glad to have that conversation about okay, let's take this out and we don't need this and need this. and that is a sponsor with the board of supervisors and any other kinds of admin and that is a decision that could be made as well. and what we have before us, and

a stream lining and effect and it may be stream lining and we really mean the timing and combining at a certain period of time so that we can get it done, the most efficient way and that is what is required as of right now. >> okay. >> and yeah, i guess the part that i was referring to was the fact that there is a resolution, makes me think that there is some action to the folks just organizing what is already required of us and i think that is the distinction and the fact that we are superceding to the resolution with anything else and this supercedes that, and that gives me the impression that it was important to take the action and if that was interpreted as further validating the need for all of these reports that is where i would take issue, it might be that there are two separate processes. >> loftus, you are saying that this does call for a second look, so to speak each year,

annually, and so if there are things that come up throughout the year that are presented or not presented in terms of regular reports, these citations for the requirements are listed here and you know, you can, follow this, and you know, throughout the next year as this is put into action. and then, do some cooling out a year from now. and that could be in tandum with a couple of commissioners looking at this in terms of analyzing it in more depth as you are suggesting. >> but a number of these say illegal requirement as well. a number of the things that are on here says that there is an illegal requirement. yes and those items other than the budget that have been organized in a different way and they mirror more of what is happening with the fire commission and that is where miss porter you have got kind of that model but, that is true, and there is some items

that are on here that are due to practice, that essentially, we have always been doing it or, you know, and so we have included it in here. and probably you noticed that as well. and so, >> i appreciate the work. and i find it very, very useful to have all of this together and organized by, it looks like you have it organized by general subject area, the budget and the capitol budget and you also have it organized by the month and the year and i find it extremely good to have it in one place and the question that i had was similar to commissioner loftus was there any reports or anything was eliminated if they were not, that is fine, that is just