to nail down, necessary, but we did determine that the complaints primarily came from not only the people on hills, but people in towers on hills. and so, when, another planet representative drove into the city, to see what they could hear, they were low, they were not in towers or on hills so they could not hear a lot. so it was very intriguing because the reports were base, pounding noises and rattling windows but high up which is odd. >> they were unusual. >> right. >> so we don't know exactly, and we will just have to work on it and there may be a discussion on hours on the permit. and length of time. because, again, the complaint just simply i can hear it but i heard it for ten hours. >> how about just modifying the frequencies? >> so, in the complaints raised as far as vernal? >> and berkeley.

>> wow. >> so and last but not least, miss stewart, you should be sending us all pictures, you know that? >> oh, baby pictures. >> baby pictures. so that is my request of the commission secretary to send the commissioners baby pictures. all right. thank you. >> any other commissioner comments? to the director's report? >> is there any public comment to the director's report and the staff report? >> seeing none, that is closed. and we will move on to item number 4, police department comments and questions. so, officer methius and everyone else >> hello commissioner and staff, central station and, a brief run down of current events in the central, and we have a summary from broad way from october 18th, regarding one of the clubs, club atmosphere and recording 500

patrons entering the facility and it filled up in the parking lot and the vehicle and the security was able to keep the sidewalks cleared in the evening, however it took nearly 15 minutes to clear the sidewalks. the patrons engaged in fights and several were so intoxicated that they had to be carried from the club atmosphere and the sergeant that works in the midnight shift says that they would have acted more on it but there was a shooting down the treat and not so related and so a lot of the officers had to respond to that. but he said that it was kie on chaotic out in the atmosphere and the next night, they had like a rock group, or something like that but a mixture of people out there and the officers said that the ages ranged from the early 20s to 50s and 60s. and so really cross-reference or group group there.

walked into the number two-lane of the eastbound broad way without regard for their safety. and the vehicle, and the vehicular traffic and the sfpd and made numerous attempts to clear the patrons from the roadway and finally successful 15 minutes later. and usually, the club does a good job of keeping the sidewalks and they even have the security dialed in pretty much and i think that they had too many people. i talked to the owners about what our expectations are about them. >> we are investigating an off hours club and someone made a complaint regarding that november second and so i have apprised the entertainment commission and we are following up on that. as far as different clubs, and now there are times that have assessed over $2,000 the computer and other things,

things that i am dealing with specifically with the entertainment commission as far as the staff and the first one, and one of the things that we are noticing on broad way and going on for a bit and probably the last 6 months, and it is what the commission know when we have had the different things and as far as the saturday and sunday morning night life, as far as the clubs go, and this it seems to be getting, we are seeing more and more batteries, and reports, and so, it is just, i think that it is happening in the nighttime, and it kind of gets diluted a little bit, but when it is 6:00 in the morning there is more attention on it and our day shift is coming on and all of a sudden it is going out and there is a fight, and just the other day, there was one cad report and there were about 30 involved in front of the club cosmo and the fight, and the police responded and debating when they got there and later on, the report was made, but the club shortly closed after that and also, there was a

terrorist threats and arrests made at monroe, the following day. and so, i ran the cads for the area, for the last six months, just dealing with the morning time. and maybe, 6:00 in the morning to about 11 to deal specifically with the clubs and there were about 14 different incidents that were specifically club related and so i am going to be talking with the club owners and the two that are having the different entertainment in the morning that is kos moe and monroe and you know it is within their permit to be able to do that but i am going to really encourage them to do the lead straining, and if the people, and going to another club and they are arriving at 6:00 in the morning, and so, either they have been drinking all night or they set their alarm and they go out, but there is not a lot of people that can stay up all night. and you know, with that other stuff on board. >> and to do the lead straining

and which is the license and education on the alcohol and drugs and i think that a lot of the problems can be inverted and some of them, it is a nasty assault, from club monroe, a couple of months ago, where they attacked the staff, when the person was refused service, they went out to attack the police and then at the hospital, and the suspect was taken to the hospital and there he broke the, he broke the nurse's nose and he kicked him in the face and that person had all sorts of drugs on board. and i think that is if we could have the staff, more aware of, you know, over serving and then also seeing if people are under the influence of drugs and not to serve them. and i think that will be helpful, >> and the other issue that we dealt with and we had a sit down with me and we met with the entertainment staff, as well as the manager from vessel and we noticed a spike in the different assaults going on there, and just in the last

couple of weeks, we had aggravated assaults and robbery and a battery with serious version and that happened at ves elon october 19th, and october 27th there was a deadly weapon possession and under the influence, the person was kicked out and brought out a knife and there was another aggravated assault on october 27th at vessel and so we just saw, you know a pattern developing and so, josylny call in the manage and her we tried to problem solve what is going wrong and we kind of see this, not to say a train wreck, but we see all of these indicators of problems and so we talked to him about what we can do to, you know, curve those assaults, and so that is a work in progress, the last one is complaints that we are getting from jones, and most of them are via the e-mail but we did get also, the complaints the other night, and this is i will just read to you two brief e-mails. >> i notice is so bad that

please designate someone to cover. >> and it was so loud sleep was impossible and there is no reason to have an outside venue when there are residents outside and there is no reason that it cannot be enclosed that was e-mail that i got. and then another person, kind of said, and what i one of the things when i got an e-mail or a phone call, i said, we really have to know what specific things that the club is doing. and we can't have general, you know, they are too loud or that sort of thing and so it is so that we really need the specifics that, you know, that we can actually tie a club into a behavior that is going against their permit. and that is so the person responded back, as far as about, 3, different issues and most of them with noise and cars parking out in front, and so, that is josyln, i asked if we could have a sit down with

club jones to go over their issues and that is is it for central. >> the question, so, on the lead training, are you going to... is the station going to have one where the clubs can par participate, or is this something that you can just recommend? >> i am going to recommend this and also, you know, we let them know that the terival station once a month, the abc comes in and they do the class or they sponsor the class, and people can go there for free. and also, i just learned and i did not know this, that the clubs can get the money off on their insurance, by showing that they got the certificate, and went through the training. and so it can be a cost savings, you know, as well as the education that this is going to be providing better service and that can also, effect their bottom dollar in a positive way. >> so it is already once a month, and it is posted somewhere, and so, i have a bunch of interested employees that want to...

>> i will find out and get the date and time and make it aware that have and bring it back to the next commission hearing. >> okay. >> i just have a general question about halloween is passed and i know that has been an issue for the city, in previous years, do you have a sense of how it went this year? >> you know, we had to prepare for it and we had an operation's order that went over the course of many days. and with it being in the middle of the week it kind of chops up and almost like saint patrick's day, if it is during the week do you celebrate on the friday in the financial district and that sort of thing? and i notice that the venues were having different dates, and all the way from thursday, to friday, to saturday. to some on sunday, and that might have been part of the morning festivities, on broad way. and but then, halloween on a thursday. and so, we prepared for it and it kind of diluted it a little bit, because people were celebrating over many different days rather than going out one night and celebrating everything.

>> right. >> and that is good to know. >> and okay. so, i was just, i wanted to ask a question about jones and then about broad way. and so jones, you were saying that there were noise complaints, and like is that from music or from the people outside? >> i was curious as to what it was, and their first complaint that we got was a light show, and i guess that what they were doing is projecting on i wall the photo and stuff and they were having a microphone outside, announcing it. and it so, some complaints came in that night for that. and so i don't think that it was necessarily like loud music or dancing and dj or it was more of a loud speaker. >> and it actually sounded like cars and maybe people on the street are playing into the noise complaints as well? >> yeah. part of the e-mails that i am seeing, is the cars pulling up, in the limo and that sort of a thing. and the cars staying there. and maybe they are waiting for

the patrons to get in. and you know, i think that the area can be loud any way on a weekend or on a weekend night and then you take the people that have been drinking and, they are going to be yelling according to this, yell and streaming waiting for their friends and stuff and so i think that they forget that there are neighbors in the beyond area. >> and in the broad way, you know i repeatedly hear problems at 2:00 and this is not really a question, but i am going to reiterate again that i think that if the bars are allowed to stay open until 3:00, stop serving and let patrons sober up a little bit inside we could see a lot of improvement at that 2:00 and i am going to put that out there and i know that it is not the most popular idea and i think that it is something that has worked elsewhere and i think that it is something that should still be considered. and maybe talked about with the broad way venues and the new what is it?

i want to say cac but that is not it. >> cvd. >> there you go. so i just wanted to make that comment. >> yeah, i think that there is... depending on which study you look at and some of them are favor and some of them are not. but it is that way for the decision to make, i got to deal with the current conditions. >> and any way, thank you very much. and is there any public comment on the police report? seeing none, it is now closed. and we will move on to item five, the hearing and possible action for applications and permits. the first one is someone that is returning from last time. welcome back, barry ward doing business as ear wurm studios. >> yeah, so, this is the ear wurm studios on bryant street and have applied for a limit td live performance, this

application was for extensive discussion last time. and there is some confusion on whether or not this llp was appropriate for this location. and so after we discussed further with the applicant and we reviewed the tape and had discussion with the city attorney, it is now understand that an llp is appropriate and the applicant has satisfied all of the requirements necessary. so i think that this could be a quick one, i am hoping. >> great. >> do you want to say anything mr. ward? or you are good? >> all right, any commissioner comments or questions? >> seeing none, oh, yeah. we are going to take the public comment. but commissioner ak akers do you have something? >> is there any public comment on the application? >> good evening, commissioners, there is an old saying that is better to be safe than sorry

and i think that having that discussion out loud and going to the city's attorney office to get the assessment of it, i think that we got it right and it is better to get it right than to have it come out and then later be appealed. and then you go through all of that. and so it is just one of those things where, i think that the process worked. and i am really happy for the applicant. >> thank you. >> any other public comment? >> all right, seeing none, public comment is closed. i am happy to take a motion on this. >> or, if you have any other questions? >> were there police conditions on this application? i don't see them, i can't remember. >> yes, they are here. wait, were there... okay, so, the applicant shall be responsible for compliance with the periodically checking for audible noise from the venue to

insure compliance with article 29 of the police code, to assume the complaints are received and delivered to the san francisco police department and the applicant will agree to turn down the sound levels for the duration of the performance agreed upon by the police department. responsible for maintaining the event staffing and orderly events and minimize impact and sfpd resources and four, compliance with abc laws. i know that we heard this last week. >> i will move to approve. >> great. >> is there a second? >> i will second. >> i am sorry. >> with the conditions. >> with the conditions. >> so the motion for approval with the conditions and the second? >> i will second. >> okay. >> on the motion, commissioner akers? >> aye. >> commissioner hyde? >> aye. >> commissioner joseph. >> aye. >> lee.

>> yes. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> kim. >> aye. >> congratulations. we are going to move on to the next permit application, it is toan pham doing business as four seasons at 721 larkin street and it is for a place of entertainment permit. >> yes, so this is mr. pham, if you could come on up. and he opened up this restaurant the four seasons not to be confused with the hotel just up the street from here where he serves vietnamese food but would like to offer karaoke and there is housing across the street and also apartment buildings, across the street and also in the adjacent alley just to let you know. and northern station has no objection to this permit. >> great. >> mr. pham do you want to say about why you want a permit? >> we just opened the vietnamese restaurant about

four months ago and me and my family were thinking about specifically slow and we would like to increase the business and for we would want to on the weekend or we would like to do a separate birthday party and the people that would like to sit together and would like to sing a few songs? and it is not going to be to (inaudible) and it is to do and then on the weekend and it is not going to be like very (inaudible) and things and hopefully this idea will increase the business for us. >> great, thank you. >> commissioners do you have any questions? >> i do. >> go ahead, commissioner joseph. >> i want to make sure that you understand that this is a place for entertainment. and so, is one of the questions it says, it requires that you secure the perimeter 50 feet in

all directions, the restaurant staff will clear the area. how will the restaurant staff do that while being the staff inside of the restaurant? >> how can they be both places outside and inside? i don't understand. >> well, it could the restaurant with like 46 feet and it is a small capacity and the business is i mean we have to have the security, you know, to do it hopefully that... and (inaudible) and we are going to have the security to (inaudible) and inside of the restaurant if it is buzz y you know? and then, if you recommend, and as a staff, (inaudible) you know, the customer inside of the restaurant. >> okay. very small space. >> you said that the manager will handle the security and the manager will do the searching and checking and he will also be the manager as well? >> we have to hire another

assistant to help him or myself to come down and help him. >> okay. >> so one time, how many staff do you have working? >> we have like two waitress and one manager with me and i am there all of the time and two cook there, very small restaurant. hopefully if it is busy we will have to hire more, security to the place. >> and so in the house it usually has three. >> at least. >> i wanted to make sure that you understood. >> yes. >> the questions that you were... i wanted to be clear that you understood. >> yes, >> your responsibility with this permit. >> yes. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner hyde? >> yeah, i am unclear a little bit about your neighborhood contacts and i was just wondering if you could go over what you have done and who you have talked to in the neighborhood? >> i have talked to the neighbor next door and to the dry cleaner and with the gentleman on the left side of us and they are okay with this, and make sure that it is not too crowded or too loud.

to make the music too loud and going to turn it down and i already spoke to them and i even go to talk to the office of david chiu and let him know, the supervisor for that area. and i will come down and talk to him and let him know what is going on and have the permit today and the business okay? (inaudible). >> and did you attend any neighborhood, organizations meetings in that area at all to just kind of make the neighborhood aware that you would be adding... and i mean that i understand that it is a very small operation. >> right. >> but part of one of the things that we ask you to do is to go out and engage the neighborhood. and people who live there. like i am sure that the dry cleaner who is probably closed when you are going to be having karaoke is fine with it. but the reason that we ask for out reach is really, for you to become more integrated into the neighborhood. and so that the neighbors not only know that it is happening,

so that it does not take them by surprise, but also so that you have connections and contacts with them, so that you are more part of the fabric. >> yes. >> so that they can help you and you can help them and there can be better communication. >> yes, we will do that, and we will do that. >> okay, and so there are several organizations in that area, and i think that you are going to be okay. but i really am strongly suggesting that you go out there and meet with these organizations. because it will help you as well. >> yes, yes, i will do that. >> thank you. >> thank you. sir. >> and any other questions or comments from the commissioners? >> yeah. i have so, your manager, as of what is the manager, a part owner? >> no. >> this is the employee, yeah. >> and so, no training at all as far as security? i mean,... >> yeah, we have two more and hopefully approve in the future, and we have to send him to go and do the security class.

>> and you are going to send at least one? >> yes. >> one employee to security training. >> yes, we will do that. >> yes. >> okay, great. >> commissioner campagnoli? or anyone else? no. and you can have a seat. >> and is there any police here to speak to this application? >> good evening, commissioners i am the permit officer in the station. and the station has no objection to the place of permit place of entertainment for the four seasons and i spoke with him and i went out there and it is a traditional restaurant just one room, and want to put a karaoke machine in the center of it and in the application he is going to do the sound proofing in a stand

alone building. he did attempt the lower polk meeting and which the captain was supposed to attend and he was unable to find it i don't think that he made it, but he tried. >> great, do you have any conditions that you have placed? >> just the sound proofing that he is supposed to be doing. and so, just noise complaints, and his hours of operations are from tuesday to sunday, ten a.m. to 9 p.m. and friday to saturday p ten a.m. to 11 p.m. >> and one karaoke machine with one, 100 wat amplifier. >> that is it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> is there any public comment on four seasons? >> looks like there is one. >> can i have the overhead? back in... >> sure.

>> my name is michael nolty and i am the executive director of alliance for a better district six, and back in june, or july of 2012, the applicant had applied for a type of 41 off sale liquor license and at the time the conditions that we wanted on the license were no after hours allowed, no live entertainment or dj. and i am not sure what happened to all of that. but, you know the thing is that he did not do any community out reach and we would probably request that he do for a continuance until he has done a community out reach, and there are actually it is in the jurisdiction of the business and so the alliance and our next community meeting on tuesday, november the 12th, at 6:00. and he is more than welcome to

attend. that. and if you wants to be at agenda, and i think that the thing is that the committee has to come to him and tell him which meetings to go to, and that should be the other way around that he tries to come to them. and tries to be on the agendas. and i came for this one item because, it would have been clear to me that he has not reached out. and i don't know where the disconnect was, but you know a lot of people don't know where to start and i am happy to hear that you did go to david chiu's office but that is not the community that is just an elected official, he needs to talk to the community groups that are in and around his business. and i am sure that he will be a good added addition to a little saigon business district, thanks. >> thank you. any other public comment? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, do you have any

more thoughts or happy to take a motion. >> i just, he has conditions on the beer and wine? >> yes, you have conditions of the beer and wine? >> no. and the fan are there a special conditions on your beer and wine license? >> and come up to the microphone so that you can answer. >> >> and you note a copy of all. and you note, and okay. that is fine. and what is that? >> okay, no,? okay. good enough. >> and commissioner? >> and then i was going to make a motion if that is all right? >> please do. okay, i would like to move to approve this, with two small

conditions, and i think that it would be beneficial that they take a lead training that the people who work there take a lead training and now that i know that you can do it for free, that will be very helpful to them and i also think that they should notify that they did the community out reach, to a group. and i think that will also be beneficial to them. but i move to approve with the two conditions, or stimulations. >> just one clarification, he says in the application that you would like to go to 11 and i think that the 9:00 p.m. was for the food service and i want to make sure that that is clear. >> so he is asking for karaoke to continue after the food service between 9 and 11. >> yes. >> and the limited live goes to eleven. correct? >> yeah that is a poe.

>> and it goes to eleven >> yes. and so it is poe. so it technically can go until two. >> not if we condition it. >> unless we condition it. >> i am sorry, did anyone else have... >> yes, what does the station recommend? what are the hours again? >> i heard something on thursday. and sorry, commissioners i was reading off the application that is what his times and days are, so the application... >> and you are fine with that. >> yes. >> okay. >> and are you saying that your condition is that it does the sound proofing? >> yes, has he has listed in the application which he says that he is doing, correct? >> yeah. >> so let's clarify this motion, and so there are two conditions, one is meet with

community organizations, and whether that is alliance for the better district six or another one and then also, what is the second condition? >> lead training. >> oh, yeah, lead training and do we want to put the hours restrictions otherwise they will go or be allowed to go until 2:00 >> yeah, it is a poe. >> and is there a second for that? >> you know what, i want to... >> maybe i want to second it so we can discuss it. >> i will second that motion. >> commissioner lee? >> well, can we put in there that, i mean, some kind of security training >> we just did. >> the lead. >> the lead and guard card is kind of. nso correct me if i am wrong, isn't it true that if you have a poe, and you have a security guard, he has to be guard carded, and if it is in house, that you have to gi