rotten frames and the windows commissioner highland i've taken numerous civil guided tours on the property and i'm very impressed with the quality of everything they're doing and i believe they're going to supplement with but the windows match exactly the wood frame and i think the building is beautiful. on the subject of the two elevations the neighbor talked about removie the scarf lifeguard they did a good job and didn't remove any siding on the north side. so the owners removed the non historic structure from the mansion and that thising was not

worth saving. so as lou demonstrated only less than 20 percent of that existing siding was there and will new foundation and he resided lay out it that makes no sense to try to patch that when it's only in the 20 percent of the west corner. i candidly believe they did owners should be given an award for the short time they've improved the building. >> thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners aim sheri live 3 block on the other side of alamo's square from the property. i can't wait. it to be finished.

i'm in full support. i go there numerous times of the day i pet sit and that neighborhood has changed so dramatically in the 20 years i've been living in my house that i purposed in 1994 when we couldn't get a pizza delivered now we have hundreds of tourists coming everyday. so i want to put that implicit context. also i read something recently in an article it must have been in t in t in t in t in the new york times. this building is an example of what will be better it may not be exact to the historical measures sometimes you can't do

that. we've got engineering requirement and a seismic requirements that are going to change a design. when you talk about windows i'd dealer love to replace the windows because i get drafts coming in and it's freezing in the wintertime but i have to go through so many hoops. i was before this commission where i went through most and most and most of how far ranking on the silly issue that i wanted to correct a safety issue and then finally, there's we got to you. it held up the at large of that building that were i want to implore you to think about the burden on the property owners and older people like myself.

as i see it every single day i can't wait for it to be finished. wherever i see foster u tourist in the park i always point out the new construction there and what will be built. thank you very much for your time >> yeah. commissioner joe donahue. i've lived in this neighborhood since 1970. when we moved in like sherry said we couldn't get a pizza delivered. the blind wall all the tourist are now coming to this area every single day and a taking photographs of the naked lady they never take a photograph

coming up the hill and if they did they wouldn't see the blind wall. in terms of the detail in the south side and in the west side a level of detail from the new roof and if you match with the, you know, moeldz going under the windows they have a beautiful design and we look at that linear pattern and a move them over to the south side we match the linear movement. i've seen people taking photographs of that section. it's going to be a much of an transformation as at the painted ladies. we're lucky to have a weight man buy this home. the problem we have in oakland it's not enough to preserve you have to be able to afford and

preserve and this property the amount of work that went into the terms of foundation this building will be preserved in the next 5 hundred years. in terms of the next earthquake that will survive. so we need to encourage people this i think is your function how to preserve it. and if there's going to modifications as there will be those modifications so long as they don't impact the entire integrity of the community it should be approved. we can't have the staff say living in a period house means we're living in a graveyard and if i make the rules two stringent that's what's going to happen.

use common sense and in this level it's a blind wall and if modifications are necessary we can do that that's quoted to the view but the rest of it makes no sense. again, i believe we're lucky to have wealthy investigators and that's making the western addition the desired place in this community. you'll want to give the homeowner and the architect and the developer actually an award. thank you >> thank you. any other member of the public wish to speak. seeing none, we'll bring it back to commission. i - and and work was done with changes to the permit that were

done previously, i have no sympathies for not being able to do the typical process and get their appropriateness revised. this was only four pages long and the drawings that went with it are easy to read package. they were nothing like the package we have here. i think on that we need to stay clear that we don't want to set a precedent people are going to do something different and if they had it we have to be sympathetic. i actually concur with the planning department recommendations requesting the north facade.

this is a freestanding how is it wasn't just like that the pure facade it was part of the building so i concur with the recommendation and i think actually, we should not wait and not go with what material we have and make our recommendations based on that. >> thank you, commissioner highland. >> so my discussion is little to do with the beautiful work. i assume it's going to be a beautiful building when its complete. that's not my concern. i think restoring buildings are all going to be beautiful. i've done those windows and i think if those windows had come from the process we would have a better solutions. when people say they match exactly i don't believe it until

they were custom-made to the diechlz. but one solution that i've implemented when you are replacing those is to tell you enlarge the window stock so that the appearance of stash stale has the delicate proportion. so basically our reducing the area of the window the glass by as much as 10 percent. you know when you look at the thing you can say it's a quarter of an inch but the whole glass would be a can believe

difference it's important if this is done in the right process it could have been easily done. i'm going to the soapbox a little bit didn't give us in san francisco what we think. i would have proposed for laminated first class it would have been true to the historic believe we would have lost the character of the rip legally glass but at least we would have addressed the sound and provided the u v and the solar gain on that. so we can take it on on the rest of the commission by >> commissioner pearlman thank you. i'm a little bit mixed of mixed on that.

i see 25 people endorsing this and including the alamo association which is protective of what they've got a tourist spot in san francisco. and at the same time i agree not endorsing, you know, someone who doesn't go through the process because everything is expensive and i agree, you know, it might be punitive enough to allow this to go through with the modifications you've talked about but they have to do the north wall but they have a penalty because they did it without a permit. if you work one way or the other without a permit it's 9 times the permit fee penalty. so, you know, i don't know if

it's happening obviously people know that is done without a permit but from our point of view if they followed the recommendations of the staff and things are reviewed by the staff i would be willing to allow the certificate of appropriateness to go through >> i want more clarity from my colleagues here. it seems too of you carl planned too that you do want the support the staff recommendation to the owner to restore the north facade which the owner does not want to do that's why he recommend a different finding >> i actually disagree with having to replace the whole side maybe 10 feet but honestly, i

can't see a material change that's vast enough you used right on she does maybe but this is a quality job and they've done a quality job i disagree on the north side but - >> i want clarity on that would you go so far to go with the finding? the only way we can disagree with the planning commission is disagree with the planning and the offer >> we can make our own. >> we don't have to make that finding it is not going to among the material difference if we wanted to - >> on the whole well, i'm sum all my stuff up at one time. >> we don't have a photo of the

north and the west side so we depends on how it determination is - >> it's there and i'm looking for it. >> there was one in the other packet. >> that's where i saw you can tell it's really a corner. >> the project staff brought me one we didn't have one ready for the packet but we can bring it up. >> we can bring it up. >> we've got the preexisting condition won those were not one of the painted pleads. >> so the real question is how far back. >> it would seems to me i see turning the corner for the staff recommendation. how far we take that back we can

talk about. but i don't know. i want to see what it looks like to - well, how far back also is contingent on the house next door. the north side will also be in shade and a shadow from across the street from where the new building is >> i wanted to say this was done now you've 0 gotten into material. i know, but >> it's a big change. >> can we request a better fence to go a little bit better. can we do something else on a more high profile facade but - >> but the facade is facing the square it's not a corner.

>> you've coming up stein. >> it's not like a - >> there's a gap. >> well, i was just going to say i would support not having to replace the whole facade but the point where they go back but the corner needs to be dealt with quite different and it's a different type of house something didn't belong. >> i know what you mean about the corner and yeah. i mean i've come up i've lived thirty years on balboa park. >> my other comment i said it earlier was the sense on top of the wall i'm fine with the curb. historically it should have been that house should have had a

cast iron fence >> with a rounded curb. >> yeah. >> okay. >> well, i'd like to see the picture and the problem is we don't have enough information. i know there's a lot of work put into this but we've spent a lot of time reviewing this this weekend and there's not enough information to review this >> well, i think the council is starting to put something up. this is really different >> so i'm showing you the condition of how it's resolved. if they restored the front portion there's a stair window - sorry located here.

i think i don't recall this is a rankle 0 window or not but the original detailing had been preserved in this area so that might be a local area to recommend restoration of the windows and to restore the portions of the facade that had been damaged by the school additions >> potential can you go back to that the evasion you just had. yeah, that one. another place would be where the door above or actually more to the right actually that could be in one of the places >> the window or the door. >> just a comment for the good of the public we've deliberated on this and this is precedent

setting beyond even work without a permit this is work not approved to cabin with are. i want to get you to understand your compromise here today is a really good deal for the owner if we move this forward. this is precedent they're doing wonderful unthinkable but those things we wouldn't have approved in the beginning >> yeah, they come to the ar c before they come here. >> shelly put this up for john then sake. i'm trying to find an appropriate location. see that's not the same

elevation. this stringcourse has not been recreated. >> the windows don't line up either. >> well. do we have an approval to say there's at least some dimension we're going to condition >> so your roofline don't work. >> it's on on top of the window. >> let's look at the constitutional picture, you know. >> to go up to the. >> let's see if it was installed that way. >> we're going to go up to the

window which is almost loin with the door. >> i have a built picture here. >> in fact, wait a minute do they pull that up. >> as you can see in the built condition it didn't match the proposed condition in your packet. i'm sorry about that >> expect for that the too below the main door. >> the one that didn't get installed. >> it was a stair window it was during the schools occupation of the building and so i guess i'm a little bit more confused. we have a package that's a revision of what was approved but what was built didn't match what we're approving today. ii don't think we can approve

that. maybe they could look at the package. this is one of the worst package i know that the buyer spent a lot of you money to include the architect drawing and so let's get more details on the fence >> and the windows. >> so do i have a motion to continue. >> i'll make a motion to continue more information. >> and let's pick a date. >> second. >> and sponsor? >> commissioners your advances calendar is fairly open exception he november 6th. >> so ask the sponsor when we want to come back. >> december 4th, december 18th. >> what's november?

>> the 20th. no november 6th is quite full >> november 20th would be fine we'd like it sooner but - >> yeah. okay >> again doyle we'll like to work on the garage with the "x" escalation. i know it's been characterized its some of the things haven't gone through planning again, we applied on june 4th for the administrative c of a. i want you know we've done everything by the books and it's been 4 months sins we applied you have your job

>> and everybody else in the city has the same deal. >> we've done through the c of a and things aren't matching up. >> unfortunately, if we let this go; right? then who approved to do whatever they want. so we're going to hear this what's the date >> november 20th. >> do we have a motion and second on the floor to move this to november 20th. >> on that motion to continue it to november 20th? so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 67 to zero. >> shall we move on commissioners and a commissioners that will place you on 10 for 302 greenwood street also known as as

montgomery street request for certificate of appropriateness. i've been corrected many times in and out the greenwich (laughter) >> good afternoon the project before you is for a request for a certificate. city landmark jew lose castle. it expand in 1928 is a two-story gothic arts and crafts style building such as a painted wood shingle senile. as you know the committee approved it's certificate of appropriateness which was to address the work cited with work

without the benefit of permit. this previous c a has expired. today, we're here to present a new c of a and some additional improvements. it's important to note that the violation was caused by previous owner we have a new owner who is going to correct those violations. the proposed project in summary in the interest of time is to address it without the permit and with the restoration of the new windows indoors at the rear of the property restoration of the fence and replacement of the non-historic doors and third and third floor desk.

there w will be working to the exterior stairwell. so based on the proposed drawing and site visits by the staff and the project sponsor we believe that the project does meet the secretary exterior standards, however, the staff is asking for some standards that are outlined in the report and the justification but for the public i'll run through some of the conditions of approval and if you have any questions, we'll be happy to answer them after my preparation presentation all work must be complete as part of the approval including the expansion of the house elevation of the main believe to roar restore the major roofline. second if it's determined that

more than 50 percent of the exterior shingles listed in the scope of work is required than a full continuing condition assessment shall be for review and approval at a regularly scheduled hearing. this is for the dulling gesture building we were unaware of the condition of the site. the third condition is the brick surface of the stairwell will retain unfinished to preserve the character of the property. and prior to the addendum the mentioned elevation sections where all profiles and all new proposals will be submitted to planning department for preservation staff and approval. also with the addendum we are asking for dimension evaluation

for specific locations where the conditions assessment will be subject to review and approval by planning staff. included in the addendum any wood or brick cleaning are droiksdz will be include in the amendment. sorry 3 other conditions one is a paint colors conducted by professional will be submitted to the planning department for review and approval and prior to issuance of the addendum samples of any new materials such as the third desk tiles and blaring and for the fish for the windows and doors me any hard will be