>> okay. >> that's a determination to be made and the chief inspectors made the decision on that. the idea that the appellants need to see this. is what. there's a letter from ron tom that says there's a new letter of egress. i'm concerned we're continuing this for another month it started last december. they said their concerns were - >> i would like you to stop arguing. okay. the copies i have >> for november 8th the letter? >> i've got it. >> thank you. >> i've got one question so the plans you handed to us is there

any changes as minute as from anything they've had prior. >> no, because they've previously had copies 80 that shows the changes of the windows. >> so increase no changes. >> don't those plans reflect the changes in the egress. >> well, it removes the need for the second needs of egress. >> the plan is changed. >> i'll let the architect speak to that are. >> the change is a change before we met in october the plans that were submitted to you and the people appealing it's the same plan showing the sliding glass doors it only has a dash line here the numbers indicate that we're less than 2 hundred and 50 feet from the

further corner of the top deck. it distributes in the description of the work the removal of window and door when i met with the gentleman i shimmed the windows changes and i understood today joe duffey said he didn't care. that's the only change otherwise we'll leave the door at the top of the landing. it would meet the egress requirements and we'll go for a revision permit to put the doors on which the planning department will have a problem with >> thank you. the plans there's no approval stamp on that; right? >> the rest of the plan that ron tom has in his file and it's not been approved.

>> no, it's been approved. >> you don't i don't see a stamp. >> okay. >> when was the last date on this plan there's many dates on it? okay. let me ask this question were those plans subject to the november 8th letter >> no, this was what the november 8th letter represents. >> prior to november 8th. >> prior to november 8th they were printed and presented to ron tom. >> to the architect? i'm the architect the specific plans >> oh, i printed in the record

those today. >> when we were they drawn. >> april 8th and below it it says november 8th nifldz. november 8th nifldz. the place page >> hold on one second, sir. >> i'm uncomfortable i'm sorry that doesn't mean everyone else is that were thank you. we're closed at this point. i'll weigh in. if what is being present is being appealable i'll have a problem this is the department decision so if not pertaining to the two egregious the department has made a decision on.

so whether they have more time to review it or not that's a departmental decision >> just to clarify commissioners this is the permit before you. this is in your jurisdiction and it's up to you to decide how you want the permit to look. the building planning department is hero to talk about the minimum requirement and your tasked to decide whether or not the provision is >> initialing i thought it would be procedurally the opportunity to let the folks look at the new plans and if a you're comfortable with them let's move forward today. >> i think the plans are new plans. i think they have been changed and a process wise it's not fair

and let's look at at this and give a consideration. it could have things on it i'm not an architect but at least the architect could take a look at it and give us their opinion on whether or not it works for them >> i agree with you but at the same time this has been going on for quite some time. if we can move into the right e i recall it calendar but if it goes on for a longer than time i'm going to make a motion today. >> for me, the issue was about the egress and the second egress and now we've been informed that's not important because of

the two egregious. i don't know how significant the changed are. they claim they've been around since november 8th but i think we can get it done in the week so mr. duffey wants to say something. i want to help people understand that - the comparison. if you look at i don't know who's brief this is it is exhibit g. so everyone sees what you just saw so everyone has the benefit of that and you can still come to the same conclusion. about midway there's a 3 dash a on the bottom right.

and then if you turn to the submission we just received from the gentleman. you can see it's not the last page a-103 no, it's this one. >> that looks different from mine. there 2a 03s. so put them side by side and you can see the difference. this the the upper level plan proposed. if i'm doing a wrong comparison correct me. >> there are 230 one. the one is before you being appealed and the one prior to that is the changed. the changes are bubble there's a

big bubble and i'm trying to show you the path of egress and the door at the on top of the stairs >> i was looking did second a-103 but the second one dated friday you can tell the plan is significantly all of the evidence and not been presented to the appellant until november 8th? >> there's no significant alternatives. >> it's like a red like that that. >> if i had a yellow highlighter i'll highlight it. >> but that's the submission. >> that's what we submitted and ron tom saw we were submitting

for that the windows and doors. >> thank you for the sheet of paper. thank you >> okay. i'm visiblely it looks dramatic to me. i wanted you to see what i see. >> commissioners what are we thinking at this point? >> well, you know, it doesn't sound to me like anyone is interested in a continuance so let's squeeze it on to our 20th calendar. being handed something that looks different for the first time today and to incorporate

that into this process seems i don't think one week is prejudicial. ask mr. duffey the question again >> did you say you were the one who noticed the change from windows to sliding glass doors. >> yes. when i saw the architect and ron tom and he was going to allow the one exit i notices the bubble around the windows and i said you've changed something from the windows to the doors and the discussion was i'm not sure. i took this went back to dbi to look at the property issue with the exiting. the reason for the letter was after our first meeting about

this when ron tom was there and ron tom said i've approved this before and he met with the architect and owner after that and they set up 0 time yesterday and as part of that meeting ron tom quid them to draw up another request and submit a letter for that meeting. that's why it was yes, i do. but i did notice a change from the windows to the doors >> it was pointed out to you. >> no i don't think anybody realizeed but certainly i noticed the change. i did speak to the gentleman at dbi about this and we discussed the exiting about 9:30 or tengs

this morning but this - i did tell him dbi agreed about the exit and they spoke with mr. ron tom yes, i do after speaking with me >> mr. t may i ask you to sit down until your called. >> you said i believe that from what you could see those changes wouldn't trigger any changes from the street and that's your criteria; right? >> the only physical change is rome one door opening basically at the top landing area to the small door to the right you would remove that door and taking a site of windows that

were north phasing away from the street and changing them to sliding glass doors just changing those that's the only change. there was no change troiltd the path of traffic only because it was determined the second one wasn't necessary. the only physical change was removing the doorway and a putting a new doorway where the windows were before and that wouldn't trigger many additional process on our part >> okay. thank you. >> i'm not to go ahead and continue that for one week to the november 20th calendar on the grounds that the appellant has not seen the new revision

that was developed on november 8th. and the fact that actually dbi for the first time saw the windows transformed to door. it may or may not be material but planning hadn't seen them in the official capacity >> we have a motion from the president to continue this motion to november 20th one week. (calling names) >> i would vote no, but not that state matters. (calling names). thank you. the vote is 3 to one so continuance that motion does not pass it's still before you. >> i guess i'll make a motion

that we oh, let's see. deny the appeal well, actually grant the appeal conditioned on the revised plans that were submitted >> today for the first time. >> that motion would require 4 votes. >> great. >> and do you want to state a basis for that. >> yes. i believe based on the letter from mr. tom the fact there are no changes i can tell from the plans and none have been pointed out to us i believe that today was the date for consideration of this matter and i don't see any prejudice to appellant from moving forward today. there's no good basis for a

continuance. >> okay. so we have a motion then from commissioner to uphold this permit with revised plans. >> the november 8th. >> the november 8, 2013, it's on the basis as stated in the record by commissioner tom (calling names) the vicinity is 3 to one for them to impose any actions so absent to any motion this permit is up told me e held as is. >> i don't think anybody wants that. i would make another motion to

continue it for one week and in the interest of efficiency and justice and getting a proper permit here that everyone can agree on. >> so we have a motion to continue this matter one week to november 20th. and no additional briefing is allowed nothing? on that motion (calling names) thank you. the vote is 4 to zero this matter is continued one week to november 20th

>> thank you. thank you >> commissioners then i will call 7 a, b, c, and d. all four of them are filed by a group against tang and they're related to four alteration permits. this is for the property on montgomery street on the partners llc to an alteration repair around doors and windowsills. this is for the property at 6568 joebz street protesting the issuance on september 12th to la

violinists llc. to the bedroom replacement and install new forced air at a level down with a minimum of the height between ground floor and first floor with matched window height. and the next is on 20th street protesting the issuance on september 18, 2013, to remodel a unit and add new closets and relocate kitchen fixtures and rerouting of mrmg and add new gas heart and finally, the next one 1 is 20th street protesting the issuance on september 20th.

remodel unit 765 a add new closets and relocate kitchen imminence and rerouting lighting fixtures as needed. those were filed by the same party we can start with the appellant. david gladstone are you in the room for the appellant? commissioners then i will ask if the permit holder is represented here together. please step forward >> good evening, commissioners john with the rubin rose on behalf of the permit holder. the four permits is minor in nature. 3 for renovation of the units

and one for dry rot. the standards process the process two contractors are licenses in construction practices in san francisco and they're here tonight. we don't have much more to add because the appellant hasn't filed a brief only unsafe demolition practices and work yoerp of the practices. i can go through the process. considering there's no justification for the four appeals we respectfully request you deny the appeal >> i have a question. when is the cost to our clients in the aggregate for the appeals

filed >> this is a little bit afterward one to $2,000. >> total? >> for . >> i see the cost you're coming here and severing any anti lazy for the delay. >> just want to a ballpark. >> sure this is for the holder. >> hi, i'm mr. rubbing at the scene i'm a consultant for the permit holder for two of the appeals. i think it's hard to estimate exactly but i'd say north of $20,000 both in he remembers of project delay costs >> that's two out of the four. >> yes. >> i was curious.

>> any other departmental comments. do you know who or what citizens against pain is? >> we don't we can go into some of the background you don't know i don't think that's an actual group. our understanding this is a man named d b coil for whatever reason has target my client and all those building appeals were that filed within one week even if each other. like i said all with the exact stage description the justification for the appeal working skwoerp of the appeal >> can you see any brief. >> no brief was filed. >> thank you. >> thank you. mr. duffey >> commissioners, i judge

wanted to add all the building permits are pretty simple fixing up building. the one permit on montgomery street that was language on the end i returned to the site today and met with mr. rubbing at the scene and they hadn't started the process. if you can get a permit it's not the kind of language we want on a permit. tolysis 15 hundred stoves that needed replaced and there's no believe. the work hadn't started. if there is any issues during the process i'm sure the cloy can file a complaint. >> are you going to change the

language in regards to the studs needed. >> after that we have a discussion this was the material around the window and any more than that we need a permit. >> you will clarify that in writing. >> yes. yes. >> thank you. anything mr. t. any public comment. seeing none, commissioners the matters are submitted >> i'm going to deny all appeals based on the code of the dbi. gentleman >> we have a motion from the president to deny all four appeals and uphold all four permits on the basis their coincide compliant. on that motion to uphold

(calling names) thank you. the vote is 4 to zero of all four of those permits are upheld on that basis >> thank you. next item is item 8 appeal susan hesitating take care with motion holder mission llc. the project is at the 350 mission street related to planning codes sections 320 to 3 writing to office allocation of 80 thousand skeet of uses on top of the thirty story tower of up to 4 hundred and a 24 feet for the rooftop. and it is on for hearing today.

i'm looking for the appellant who i don't see in the audience. is under anyone representing the appellant? >> oh, two in a row. >> we can hear from the representative. >> dan with rose. i'm here on behalf of kilroy that is developing a 24 office story building on mission street >> before you continue do you know anything about the appellant representatives whereabouts. >> no. nothing. >> not showing up. i prepared a presentation but in the interest of our time i'll hold my comments since anybody's is here >> and you've not heard

anything from mr. hesitating take care today. >> there was an e-mail about her having trouble downloading the calendar. >> uh-huh. >> we were off for a holiday monday and i haven't heard since. >> so commissioners do you want to - how would you like to a move forward. >> we can take public comment. >> i don't know if you wanted to hear from - >> if you have something to say we'd welcome comment. >> just in case corey department staff i've not heard from the appellant all week so i'm not aware of her whereabouts. all i say is the one issue

raised was brought up at the hearing department and what looked at by the staff and the attorney and it was approved unanimously and with confidence i'm available for questions >> thank you. any public comment? okay commissioners no public comment that. >> well, i would move to deny the appeal so - >> it was - >> on the basis in my opinion we should deny it on the basis it's untimely. as the period for appeals has expired so we don't need the merits >> you're talking about the appeal period for the motion