clarificati clarification. they have a list of items one of which they climb a tree this tree is gone they can't climb it anymore. the san francisco rec and park department is using popular programs like playgrounds improvements 0 to cover the nap agenda to get away from trees that are non-native. we see things about trees being removed. how xhiventd is that when you see a bill of rights issue. to which the proponent it proposing that kids climb a tree what a wonderful thing that is. my son grew up in san francisco

i'd take him up to mount davidson there's p was a tree i'd run a rope to make a swing it was a wonderful plays for him to swing back and forth. that trees is nonetheless there and no other kid can go up and play on this tree. it was destroyed by relationship around the basis of the trunk and it's destroying that tree the tree fell over about 9 months ago. it's a 4r50shd tree. it's unfortunate but long and short i request you consider exploring the children's bill of rights with the caveat that there should be some consistent working with the policies that the policies that do state is key what policies are public

support this initiative and what policies might be at odds for them. thank you >> thank you. >> thank you. the next 3 speakers (calling names) in any order. come on up carolyn >> overhead please. i don't know. there we go >> i'm the san francisco alliance president i'm carolyn johnson. i love the bill of rights for children in the section wondering in nature areas for the right to wonder in natural spaces. my concern is that's much less

possibly then when i was raising my children. this is a sign that's near the parking lot in pining park. it instructs people to stay on the designated trail. there are many signs along there that says that. for example, this trail >> i need you to speak into the microphone. >> it's not designated it's not open the map it presumably is something people are not allowed to go on. the areas in the common where my children used to play are off limits. that's not a designated trail so therefore they're not allowed to go there. that and had come up too well,

did it. this is a picture of the north side of pine lake park. if you're on that trail there this is adjacent to the lake on the north side and there are fences on both sides. so it's literally not possible to get off the trail in that area of the park and it's discouraging for anyone who wishes to do so. here's another sign saying state law stay on designated trades. this is the trail we took our children up to near our home. and by the way, pipe lake and the trail are in a short distance from my home. and now there's a sign right >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> at the storm drains to the sign has a list of rules stay on

designated trail and below is a pesticide application soors areas are not educational anymore. i hope that those practices will be reversed. it is more and more difficult for children to wonder around and it would be great if we could all raise a bunch of accidents in san francisco >> thank you. >> leann and anna. >> i'm leann i'm not jennifer bailey's but i'm a mom and have two small boys and have chosen to raise our kids in the city and want to sty in the city.

we're committed to staying here. i took time from managing a small business owner r small business today to support what this organization is doing. having the ability to run all around outdoor and without fences not within playground i love them but the ability to run around outside in a city environment makes san francisco a special city. the idea you can go into the presidio or golden gate park won u run as fast as you can and they love that. this is an important program. thank you. thank you >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> morning commissioners general manager i'm anna i

manage policies at the park alliances i'm here on behalf of that to support of the children's outdoor bill of rights. we hope that it are inform other cities. i applaud my colleague for helping with this. we're really exfoliated it's before the commission today and hope you'll support it thank you. thank you >> anyone else who wants to make a public comment will. public comment is closed commissioners >> thank you, commissioner lo it. >> i want to commend all you as to someone who is currently raising two small children in the city there's a profoundly

difference we're very blasz blessed to be able to comment ourselves for an urban experience for our children and make sure they know how important nature is to our lives. i look forward to supporting this >> knew commissioner leo. i guess it's a question to the general manager if we endorse this wasn't is the terms of operations what do we do you different by exploring this >> commissioner your exploring a principle this department has long held dear. we want to get our kids outside and we're blessed with 4 thousand acres of open space where we've got over a thousand acres of trails and nature areas where our kids can explore and

appreciate nature. this is really mostly a campaign to make people more aware the right of our children to be outside and play. this is nothing new for us this is one of our core values we hold dear. what's really great about this all of the open space agencies in the city not only your rec and park department but national presidio and organization for san francisco we're all 50u7b9 together to make sure our kids are outside to enjoy nature it's a balance. more of the same.

the action is just to support the resolution. we wanted to bring it to you, we thought it was important enough. i want to thank zoo i didn't she start out with a position as as intern she has entered with us for too years and worked herself into a job she worked would how many different scalds? >> 40. about 40 different schools where we renewally get our kids out to appreciate all our parks and bio diversity in our system. she's amazing and thank you

damon >> dmirgs levitt to that. >> i want to thank you for your effort it's incrementalable and any other comments. hearing none i'll entertain a motion >> move to support. >> second. thank you very much. it's been moved and seconded >> so moved thank you very much. (clapping.) . we're now on item 8 general public comment continued anyone want to make public comment at this point but didn't on item four can you please come forward. seeing none, public comment is closed. item 9 is commissioners matters. commissioners. >> commissioner..

really nobody wants to prolong a meeting. i want to thank the staff and the department we did a kickoff at any how did and this is an to my husband too. i would encourage everybody to go scombont website and learn more about this extraordinary playground thank you. is there any public comment on this item?. we're on item two the business agenda setting. any public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. we're on item 11 communications. any public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. you're on item 12 adjournment

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>> good afternoon we will call this meeting historic preservation commission to order. >> welcome to the san francisco historic preservation commission regular meeting for wednesday, november 20, 2013. like to take roll at this time. (calling names) commissioner wu is expected to be absent. at this time members of the public any address the agenda expect agenda items with respect to agenda items your item will be addressed at that time. i have no speaker cards.

any member of the public wish to speak on non-agenda items >> that places you under the regular calendar. there's only one item on the green connection if you have any questions, we'll be happy to answer them. >> seeing no questions we'll move on. item two the staff report and announcements. tim fry commissioners, i have two items to report to you. first, i wanted to give you an updated on the silver cottages work has stopped they site but on monday shelly of our staff and myself met with the project sponsors reviewed the condition

of the cottages. and they're working on security measures foyer the cottages while they awe witting wait the lawsuit. the protection plan is short term hopefully and it will begin in less than 90 days. the project spokesperson will know more this week and mark hal beggar is in the audience and happy to answer any questions. we're working closely together and hoping to have a resolution to any stoucht issues in the short-term. the second is last week, i gave a brief presentation at the cities graffiti board from the graffiti incident at the high beggar bank.

the advisory board had questions about the historic preservation commission relating to abatement. they're trying to encourage property owners to put in a report. i expressed our willingness to work with them to achieve some of those golds and we'll be coordinating with the department of public works to see how we can work better together. p that concludes my presentation if you have any questions, we'll be happy to answer them. seeing no questions we'll move on >> commissioners that places you under commission matters president's report. >> just an update on the real our program we've got a couple of gentlemen helping out. we set a launch date of march

one. we're getting a a lot more traction from real terrors i have been talking when they may want to train all the real terrors for the first banish it could be a good kick start. a green good friend wants to have it at their site >> commissioner could you give more details. i know i remember discussing it earlier in the year but i think it's an cellist e exciting project >> the real touch to a lot of the folks in buying home in the district and surveys are happening throughout the city. so the idea was we get realtors

trained and preservation approved saying i understand the preservation rules so california preservation foundation is putting together four or five we came up with >> 5. >> yeah. 5 different training items. and i can actually i'm not prepared inform give you a brief >> is that a certification. >> yeah. through preservation and they'll role it out statewide. >> okay. >> and it's all online training not having to show up. >> thank you for your initiative. >> and thanks to the staff for the help. that's it for president's report >> moving to item 4 damgs of

draft minutes for november 13th. >> commissioners any comments or corrections. any member of the public wish to speak seeing none, public comment is closed. >> i move we adapt. >> second. >> thank you. >> on that motion to adapt the draft minutes (calling names) so moved, commissioners, unanimously 6 to zero and places you on item 5 commissions questions and comments. >> commissioner pearlman. >> i have met with one of the board members ted about the project. just to discuss he wanted to know more about our process and what if there were any issues

that we thought about it. >> thank you. any other disclosures. seeing none, we've we'll move on >> commissioners that is for items proposed for continuance items. for 940 grove street. this is being proposed by staff to be continued indefinitely. >> there was some interest from the project sponsor but they're not here. >> can you define what indefinitely means. >> it simply means it has to be renoticed. >> city attorney can i speak to this item real quickly give an update. >> to the item. >> yeah. real quick. basically should we continue it that is whether or not we do mr.

fry and myself are going out to 940 grove on friday afternoon. the packet wasn't complete and so we moved it forward. so we will get a list of what they need to do, what items need to be put into the package and calendar it >> just to further clarify if he choose to december 4th and continue it indefinitely at that point. >> so anyone from the public wish to examine on this seeing none. >> i'll move to continue this

indefinitely. >> second. >> on that motion to continue 6 indefinitely (calling names) so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero. and places you under our consent calendar all matter are routine and maybe activity upon by a single-action. there will be no separate vote and unless the staff or public wishes for it. one item case at 3101 request for certificate of appropriateness >> anyone want to pull this

from the consent calendar seeing none. public wish to do so seeing none. do we have a motion >> i move we approve this. >> motion and a second. >> motion to approve with conditions (calling names) so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places you under our regular calendar request for a certificate of appropriateness. >> good afternoon, commissioners department staff. the project before you is typical of a appointness to separate the notre dame lot. the 1996 subdivision created one

for the delores street and another for the st. joseph hall at the rear plus the adjacent open space to the south. it currently houses the children's day school a central playground area and ann lower housing. it is for 3 temporary clamor structures for an additional 10 and a half years. it would create additional spaces with approval that was asked for by the advisory board to be removed after 10 years it's set to expire in 2015. as of november 1, '89 the

department had received one comment in opposition to the proposal and over 80 e-mails in support. department staff recommendation approval with condition to insure with the prototype work is in compliance with the plan. one that the project sponsor will remove the 3 temporary clamors from the date of planning commission approval for the conditional use authorization and two, that the project sponsor will maintain the 3 clamors in save and sanitary condition any structure that is not properly maintained will be corrected. 3 the site including landscaping will keep the temporary site screened from view and for the

project sponsor will provide an update to the commission in the form of an informational hearing on the school fund-raising and the capital and lastly ever two years beginning at the date of the approval the project sponsor will have a written update on the city hall raising efforts and general capital improvements in accordance with the timeline that was provided to the staff for consideration. the project sponsors are present and can answer questions also i'm available for any questions. that concludes my presentation >> thank you. commissioners any questions of staff. >> yeah. thank you. i'm pretty new could you give me a agreeing a little bit of

background. i assume the conditions aren't able to be complild with >> the project sponsors can talk about that. this is a multiple phase expansion to the schools facility and it seems like the timeline has been adjusted for the fundraising to advance that phase schedule. they're not exactly where they thought they would be >> and does the sponsor have a presentation. >> they do. >> okay. >> we are the sponsor. this is moll i didn't shows he head of school and i'm valerie i'm the acting project manager on a series of projects at the

school. i think you were asking why the first 10 years. when the commission give us approval for the temporary facilities bacterin years ago they were for on a increase in a super class size. they were put out in accordance with the planning commission. once they were in and started to looking at st. joseph's hall it's a difficult building to make work per the building code for children grades 2 and under you have to have separate exiting. when we start to look at that we wanted to add two facilities to the site but those two plants starting to a impact not only e