all. they had to simply turn it in. >> okay. and why did you allow that medallion hold er to sell? >> i don't remember, i remember the corporate permit and they are not allowed to sell period and the other one, was simply because the conduct that we found was agregious enough that we were able to take them to a hearing and penalize them a fine amount and in lou, of that, they decided rather than losing the medallion and paying an at dishal $96,000 in fines they would rather turn it in. >> but was that medallion revoked at the time that you allowed him to sell. >> no, it was not, it was simply a discussion beforehand. >> we had initiated proceedings. but we had not gone to hearing. >> okay, thank you mr. murray. >> i have nothing. >> thank you.

>> commissioners the matter is submitted. >> i just will start out, because he it is significantly egregious conduct in my mind, but impart of it is that it is the population that is being served here. and a para transit community and i think that the evidence establishes the fraud and the abuse on this community. and in the public. and it has been admitted to at least on two occasions i would not question the extent to which the investigation established a pattern of problematic behavior. i would support and up holding of the department here. >> i don't have anything else to add. i agree. >> part of the problem is yes, it is to confirm, 266 suspect, and numbers and probably somewhere in between.

and which is still substantial number. i would hate to see his entire life ruined however and that is the one thing that bothers me a little bit about this process. >> i think that the people come out of these situations and i think that there was, i think that the discussion about the loss of potentially $50,000 and the sale, or however the transaction happens there has probably been some gains that was done, improperly. >> i think that the total amount was $21,000. >> potentially. at the moment. >> and that the commission fung says that there is a number somewhere in the middle. >> in terms of the loss on the medallion, the value itself, i don't have any heart burn >> and there was also no criminal prosecution. >> that is fortunate for him as well. >> exactly, right. >> and the driver's ability to continue driving is there for a

livelihood purposes >> i too am having a hard time with the fact that this is someone's livelihood, i do appreciate that the sfmta has given us some very detailed briefs. and i believe that this is really not on the two cases just the two video cases but this is a larger problem, and as you mentioned earlier, that the people that are affected, and the trust value, that i mean, especially the taxi drivers do need, especially with all of the competition, so, i mean, at this point, i am still kind of on the fence to be honest. >> and let me just do something and i need to get it off of my chest. >> the

>> i would consider the restitution that is equivalent with the $21,000. >> the board does not have the authority to issue a fine on the penalty. the penalty is what is before, the permit is what is before you. >> the revocation. >> and that is the permit, you could decide to suspend the permit, but issuing a fine soughts of our authority. >> what the suspension, are we allowed to determine the amount of time that the license is suspended? >> yes, if you chose to suspend, you would have to elect the amount of time. >> the problem that i have with suspension is the issue of public trust and whether this will happen again and that is why i asked his attorney, very directly, but i am not reassured that it will not happen again. >> and nor am i. and in fact the theft, where it is criminal or civil has been established. and i don't think that we can

get around that and i mean, i have had theft on my credit card and i don't appreciate it even if it is 50 cents. >> and so, i have a motion, and then, i would move to up hold the revocation and deny the appeal, on the basis that it was, what is the standard? no abuse of discretion? >> denovo. it could be on the basis of the evidence presented by them. >> on the basis of mta's evidence. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado, to up hold this revocation on the basis of the evidence presented by the mta. on that motion, up hold,

commissioner fung? >> aye. >> president hwang? >> aye. >> vice president lazarus? >> aye. >> and commissioner honda? >> no. >> the vote is 4-1, and this revocation is upheld, on that basis. thank you. >> next is item 8, appeal number 1 3-108.john tynan, jason thrupp & kurt mueller, appellant(s) vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent planning dept. approval 1980 golden gate avenue. protesting the issuance on april 18, 2013, to urban green investments llc, alteration permit (repair wood frame in basement; replace retaining wall in basement; rebuild one bay window). application no. 2012/10/29/2977. jurisdiction granted august 21, 2013. for hearing today >> this is on for a hearing today and we will start with the appellant. appellant at the attorney. >> we are called your case, we

are ready for you to present your case. >> okay. >> miss fox, are you ready? >> great, we are ready for you to call your case. >>

>> you are smart. >> yeah. >> and that does not... >> good evening, with the housing klen clinic on behalf of the tenants of 1980 golden gate and lion street, and so we sought to revoke this permit because the work seemed to piece meal soft story work and now there is an attempt to expand the scope of the permit to include the soeft story work, and we are not opposed to

that, because it makes sense to do both together. and the building definitely needs work. we are not disputing that. the dispute is that today for the first time that we have heard that all of the tenants have to move out of the property and prior to today, it had just been the down stairs unit and the story that is being presented is that there is certain for the safety of the tenants but that is under mined by the fact that they have owned the property for over a year. there is connection between the urban green and the prior owner and we have the same engineer and we have the same law firm, and so we don't believe that these are truly brand new people to this property. for the past eleven years that i have been involved with this property, they have done nothing to upgrade it and, instead they tore down the deck and the tenants are here that i think that can speak with more detail about their particular

situations. and so, what we are asking is that this permit not issue, that there be an opportunity for us to meet as in the tenant group because there are other tenants in the building that have absolutely no idea that they are going to be asked to move out for at least, and they are claiming a 2 and a half month period, but, the work that is being presented is rather extensive and so, i don't think that that is really an honest assessment and i think that the reason that they are giving that time frame is that if it is going to be more than 3 months, they first have to seek the per miss from the rent board to display the tenants for more than 3 months but today is the first time that we have heard that all of them have to be out they are saying that they posted notice of the permit, however, that was posted on 1980 golden gate which is on golden gate and it is an empty unit and so the tenants on-line street never saw that, furthermore that

permit and the work related to that is limited to the retaining walls in the down stairs and so that the people who live on the second and third had no idea that they would be asked to leave and so john. john, tenant, and 1998, golden gate avenue and i have lived there since 1995, the ground floor unit and this apartment was going to put i guess, structural slab of concrete through the unit and so i was going to have to move out but it has come to the light that there is going to be a lot more changing with the electrical and the plumbing, and the whole building that everyone will have to move out. the problem that i have with the land lords or their agent iss that the very poor communication from them to us. and with regard to you know, when this work is happening, and how it is going to happen, are we going to get accommodated for ourselves if i have to move out, where am goig to go,? the market is bad in the city to look for another apartment. and so my issue would be that there is no communication. and that every day there is

something new happening and it seems to be... and we need more time just to kind of sit down together and sort it out and i think that we come to and we were in agreement that the work has to be done and the building is old and in disrepair and it needs to be done and we are for that and we want to resolve the situation, thank you. >> >> these are somehow outside that we have been notified before, and to me it was kind of bad and to show me the notification which he could not show me. the communication that the company has with us is zero. out of the bay window that is probably involved in the permit but it is falling. and so, about a year ago, they came and ripped out the siding

on the outside, and the walls on the inside. and for ten months, they did not replace the sheetrock on the inside, and but there is plywood still on the outside of the building, and you know, they have torn up parts of the building and left the plywood on it and if you are that concerned about the safety, plywood rots in any kind of weather and so it is like, we don't leave the buildings with the plywood on the side of it and so you know the safety issue that they are talking about, you know, i just don't believe. and so, we are just asking that you know, that there are other tenants that need to and they have no idea what is going on. so they need to be informed and the zero mun indication has not told them a thing and so we just ask that the permit not granted. >> i reside at 800 lion number two and it is two floors before john's apartment.

and i came here today to basically to support john. and you know, coming here, found out that i also am expected to move out of my apartment, and this is the first that i have heard of it. all of the all that i have heard about the work, is for the units that are already empty. below me and going out to the street. and there was no impacts on me as far as i knew. i put up over the last few years, they have put and i have had the work by then and drilling and putting up the new cages for the fire escape, and they did eight months of illegal remodeling of units upstairs which they turned over to the su. sf baseball team and no permits were pulled for that and i put up with that displacement and i am getting displaced completely from my unit with no notice at all that i just learned today.

and i think that this is... >> i think that we have said everything. >> i think that we have said everything, and which is there is yes, a need for work, but we are asking that this permit be revoked, that parties come together to have a plan in place, that does not result with tenants being asked to leave over the holidays, but the tenants that are not here have no idea and i did not know about it. and i have not had a chance 6789 >> how many total tenants. >> jason in one, and there is... >> and i think that there are 7 units that are occupied and so we have three of them. >> the upstairs houses the

baseball team and i am not sure how many guys live up there i was told that it was four and it is more like six or eight and they are coming or going constantly and they no nothing about this. >> okay, thank you. we can hear from the permit holder now. >> thank you president hwang and commissioners ryan pat ter son for the permit holder. >> and this one is fine for me. and i will turn it over to the engineer in a moment. >> this is, a difficult situation this is a building that is in a very poor condition, my client purchased it last july, approximately. and has come in to renovate the building, and fix some very, very serious problems. that the subject permit tonight, is to repair a failing

retaining wall and load bearing walls that are rotting out, portions of this building could collapse, in addition yesterday we found out, and we had an independent electrician and a plumber go through and there is a very real risk that this building could burn due to complete overloading of the electrical system. and this is a pre, 1900 building, and the electrician is here and he can tell you about that. and i think that we are all in agreement, that the work needs to be done and there are three possible options to the board tonight. and the first is the board can up hold the permit that is in front of you tonight. and the second is the board can up hold a combination of this permit for structural work, with a full soft story ret crow fit which is one things that they requested in the brief is to coordinate the soft story with the structural work in this permit.

and it is additional money. and we actually spent a lot of money on this drafting the plans and with the planning and the board, and at this point, it is shocking for them to say that they don't want this after they have asked us to do it and we have done all of this work on it and so the board can take the permit as it is to fix this building and it can combine it with the tenants have to move out once, and it is a 6 month project. and the third option is that the board can revoke the permit and we have a one year moratorium during which time we cannot apply for a new permit. chief inspector duffy has been out there and we have the engineers that will tell you how dire the situation is. yesterday there was a gas leak in one of the units and i am told that if there had been a

spark it would have been an explosion in this building. this really is dramatic issue and at this point, they have asked for a month continuance, we gave it to them, and at some point we have to stop and say that this work has to be done, at this point i will turn it over to the structural engineer and we are fortunate to have ron hamburger, and one of the preeminent engineer in the country, and he is going to tell us about the project and why this work is so urgently needed. thank you. >> members of board we are obtained by the owner to do a conditional evaluation of the structure and we focused on the lower floors and the building actually steps up and from the

street and from this direction here and there are actually a number of levels that are for the first stories in the building and many of those levels are very badly deter ated and there is some fire damage in the building and there is a great deal of dry rot from frequent lighting of the wood over the life of the structure and most importantly there are a number of unreinforced concrete retaining walls that retain the earth as the building steps up the slope of the street. and those walls have started to fail and they have actually started to rotate out as they have rotated out, the floor slabs that were retained on the earth that were protected by those walls, have actually sunk down in some places as much as 18 inches. and the building is dangerous, and that work does need to be done to repair that and in addition, we have designed a seismic upgrade to comply with the soft story ordinance and at this point he will turn the

floor over to the colleague to talk about the specific up grades that we have recommended. >> i don't know if this pointer will work, the retaining wall in question, that so severely deteriorated is the middle. >> can you indicate that it may be on the overhead? >> maybe that will work better. >> okay. >> and that is the lap top. >> yeah. >> and thank you. >> he can use it. >> and the mouse is not really working. >> it is the darkest line in the middle of it. >> maybe ask your colleague to point it out up there. >> okay. >> thank you. >> so, that retaining wall as ron mentioned is constructed of wood and concrete. so there is actually wood that supports some of the soil, that wood is roted out and the wall is rotated and it is cracked away from the return walls and

that is the largest concern and that supports a bearing wall and so that the levels above that wall are supporting the floor framing one level up. and if that wall were to fail, you would have partial collapse of that zone of the building and so that is a significant concern of ours. and other deteriorated elements are crumbling concrete footings in areas of the building, and deteriorating framing includesing studs and bearing wall studs and joists in areas of the building and as ron mentioned we have the basement slab which is carved and crumbled and has sunk and we have the areas of crumbling brink and the wall at the lion street elevation. and we have joists resting on dirt. and so that there is not even a crawl space and all of those joists that are resting on the dirt are the lowest unit are deteriorated so there is a lot of heating and settlement of the floor system in the lowest unit. >> and we have the sagging bay window on the lion street

elevation and it has saged several inches and is a certain to us..., and all of the work that we are proposing in the permitted and approved work, would repair all of these conditions, and bring them back into the code compliance conditions, and improve all of these conditions and including a brand new retaining wall and reframing all of the wood deteration and replacing the wood where it is deter ating and the brick where it is crumbling. the additional soft story work will consist of a nominal amount of new work, and you know, sixth of the budget that is already in place to put the new plywood walls arn the perimeter of the building. >> as well as the walls that you can see in the image. >> thank you. >> mr. duffy?

>> the permit started off in 2012, and it had run through the planning department for review and it got approved, and it got reviewed by one of our structural engineers, and on 10, 29, 2012 and it was reviewed by the fire department and it was then that there was no more action on it until april 18, 2013 when they came in to pay for the permit and it is an over the counter permit and it appears to be for the building and i did go to the building at the request. and there is a retaining wall that is in the good condition that definitely needs immediate work done to it, i did not really, it was really just on

the ground floor i did not notice all of the other things that the engineer referenced but there definitely was the retaining wall needs to get fixed sooner rather than later, and i am available for any questions. >> the extent of the work as described on the permit, and with your experience and knowledge, what would you, when you see that level of work, that is required, or you know, on the permit, how would you estimate the time for doing that? on if you can. >> well, it is a $250,000 value. and there is some plans in the brief there, that i am not sure if they are, the approved plans and i did not see any approval stamps on them and depending on the number of people that you work in the crew you could do it in months rather than years. >> that permit is going to last for over 12 months and from the building department point of view. and >> the permit is going to last. >> the work itself.

>> and you would imagine months rather than, >> six months. >> maybe six and in my percent, that is all depends on i think that we have had this question before and the contract and there the people that you pop on there and the plumbing work that needs done as well and i think that they are going to have to shore the building up to do some of the structural work. >> and so much of it is of everybody and we have heard the testimony that people have been asked to leave by a certain period of time, is there a way and i am trying to understand how much time we are taublging about that people might be displaced. >> based on what you have seen on the permit in your experience and knowledge. >> yeah ethere is some things that you can live through these things. we have had this before us as well. and it is difficult for me to say that, and how long it will

take, or what needs to, the level of it, i would prefer that the permit holder to answer that question. but, in my experience, from ibuilding inspection point of view, it is better to get this work done, in a timely fashion, and it is definitely something that you don't want to drag out. >> what is the time range? >> you know, would i say 6 months. >> i would not be, i don't think that i am wrong in saying that. >> not a time, when you say six months, are you saying six months where people should not be living there >> if you get the units ready before the others and it all depends on how you schedule it but if there is a... >> do you, i don't know, but, do you have to, contemplate the weather conditions as well for this type of project? >> yeah you could work around the weather on this case and

not taking the roof off or anything like that, it is mostly inside work. >> and i think that there is a certain about the electrical, and that there might be more wrong with the electrical than they thought. there is an electrical permit in place but it appears to be basement area and now they are saying that now the electrical needs the up greating in the whole building and i don't know that yet and i need to get the electrical inspection division to verify that and also the plumbing is concerns, that i think, that someone mentioned that the electrical is in dangerous condition. and so, that would be a certain that if they are going to do that, you know, that is going to open up the walls, and so you would not be living there through that. >> and holding on to the time is difficult for dbi to do because the permit lasts for a certain amount of time. >> thank you. >> would you agree that the word contemplated here is very labor intensive?

>> without seeing the plans, i can't really answer that 100 percent, but i would say that, it seems to be and most of the work and you would imagine that the work is going to take place foundation, and sheer walls, and you know, the labor insensitive but i don't think that they are totally touching 100 percent of the building to do the work just the certain areas. >> but it is all wood framed. and the amount of work that is anticipated there is quite extensive and it is probably more cost effective for them to do this and to ignore the existing electrical and plumbing and come back and put it back in. just working around it. >> and i didn't hear anything from the permit holder of how they are going to schedule the work and how they were going to do that and what you know what impact that was and that would be be a good question. >> mr. duffy, the permit that is before us, does that

contemplate the soft story work and all of this other? or this is just a partial? >> no, they want to add some of the soft story work to this permit, and i believe that is what he mentioned pulling in some ply woods and that is not part of the permit. >> they have not come back to you? >> it might be try to add it on to this permit, but they would need to get an additional permit of some type to add the additional scope of work. >> but the work that they want to do is not in the current permit. >> i believe not. that is what they said earlier that they want to add the work. >> they were speaking like 13 percent more work on top of what they had permitted. add plywood and want to do it all in one project rather than take people out pop them back in and do something later which does make sense. >> one last question. so looking at the over all