get that straight. my vocabulary was not good. i want to thank all the commissioners here bus it feels cleaning and good. it's a go decision going forward. i know i mean the process i think is the way it is it should stay the same it's a great process. i think we're talking about going forward with the commission perhaps we should talk with the commission secretary and talk about any investigation going on so we can make an informed decision or if we need to go in closed session. i also agree with the cohesive that a delay is not - a delay is not fair for an officer but to

make an informed decision to know if we should complainant it into closed session i'm not saying that i think we should discuss it we should be talking about the d g orchestrates having our secretary give us a notification that this thing is pending and move forward that way or k4r5r7bd it for closed session with the understanding those are role their you fixed. >> and important awards and honors for officers who put their lives in jeopardy. i think we should know what we're deciding on we should

include our secretary going forward that's what i'm talking about importing. it's not the departments process that process is well vetted. so to have the information. i think commissioner kingsley was saying i was agreeing with to make an informed decision. i don't want to offense anyone >> just to round it out. commissioner chinning. >> i know this has been a interesting time for this discussion. i want to suggest we calendar this as apple action item in january or february to talk about this again and adjusting the disclosure piece or a waiting period that we do it

structurally try to address the concern that's been happening for quite a long time. so we can do something structurally i don't want to vote no on a metal. i prefer a process where we're not put in this situation where we're taking a vote that you motive harm the integrity of our process with the internal fairdz and investigations if it's a policy that goes in front of us >> i want to say with a particular issue that happened in this kind. with this particular ceremony we're not talking about it was apparent at the time it was a pending case that was recent. so the issue is not whether we

knew something was going on but we should have a discussion i'm happy to talk about this but let's be mindful to solve the problem ahead and have commissioners all look at the packet. i think when we start tinge egging with something that the police department has set up it's not good >> i suggest this is sound and the practice is sound as is. i think the commissioners da joe's have the secretary make a note it's already been distrusting discussed in this order would be the best use of

the chiefs time >> the commission as ultimate authority already to vote yes or no. i agree with the cohesive that if the commission secretary can gusts a heads up of names pending that will be greatly appreciated and that issue can be bought if we need to in closed session. we don't need to rework this. candidly i've been on this commission and i've been to this i've done officer involved shooting and i've never seen an officer shooting incident come before us for a metal. yes, sir. there's a civil litigation i'm not going to

allow our officers who are involved in a metal situation to wait four or five years. we have ultimate authority if we want to vote no we'll vote no. we can go into closed session. there's no need for further discussion. i respect the individuals that are involved. it loses it's merit and value. gold metal four years down the rod is not a great metal. i know the occ does a great investigation and police department and internal affairs can close those in less than a year. everybody is waiting. it's clear to the public there's a officer investigation for an

officer involved shooting. the fireman the the management control division so there's a lot of vesting there's investigations every time. so that's my position on that and commissioner chaney appreciate our discussion and you put out appropriate apologizes but i still think we have the ultimate say and i say we can vote no >> i would like to think about how to adjust this it make sense is have the secretary look through this and note it for us. we need to put this somewhere it doesn't have to be not

definitely a d go but something for further commissioners can have this process in place for the disability of our own process because we have to deal with the outcome of the internal investigations. i know there's a disagreement about the awards i'm going to talk about it off lion but there's been several of those cases. i want to make sure we address it in is systematic way so this is done right going forward for our own integrity of our own process. it has to be with the the commission >> i would suggest we talk with the city attorney or the

secretary it's part of the secretaries duty in how to calendar it. i don't know if we need to amend it so maybe why don't we talk to her and come back and side what's the best way to address this. >> i want to say one last thing as a police commissioner you know everybody that's been in a shooting. it should be no surprise in the your new to the commission i think all we need to do is about notified of a occ and make a decision. there's no more authority noted than that, please call the next item >> review of recent activities.

>> thank you, captain he walked out. >> thank you very much. director hicks >> good evening and members of the commission and members of the audience. the latter part of november the occ combaeblgd if activities by distributing brochures to the public. i have an article online and on the success of san francisco's model and attorney don salazar provided training for a berkley course. to i didn't discuss the pending investigations in light of the chiefs earlier comments of the

valencia gardens incident and the youtube postings. i thought i would comment that the occ has an open case on this matter and that for occ investigators canvassed the neighborhood in late november and went to two of the streets where the incident happened at maxwell court and a canvassed every house on maxwell court by knocking on demeanors and leaving posters. the investigator in charge of the investigation is mary and she can be reached at the phone 415-7411. next week i will provide the

commission with the november statistical report and finally, last week commissioner kingsley harassing asked me for failure to collect traffic stop maybe it wasn't commissioner kingsley at any case we looked at our data for 3 years and in those 3 years occ has sustained 4 officers for failure to collect traffic stop data. one office was sustained 3 times in 2011 and retire. another office was sustained twice and the 2013 adjudication by the cohesive is still

preponderance of the evidence we filed that. a third officer was sustained 5 separate times and is before the police log commission and finally, there is a fourth officer who was sustained twice the first time the officer received counseling and the second time a written reprimand. it w it was in accumulation with the discipline statistics and a question about whether chief suhr comboeptd discipline that concludes my report >> we were talking about the hiring process any dates or approvals for f t e in that department you care to share.

>> there's about that no movement and i've been told is that the it will be looked at during the next budget cycle therefore i'm unable to fill any positions at this time because of the structural deficit in the budget. it's not the result of over spending it's the formula that's used that discount the budget that's allocated for personnel. it has to do with having four attorneys with their salaries and the summation that they're at everyone is at mid point with having investigators who are

very experienced in the soumgs their salaries are at mid point. that's the problem that i have it's not just the occ there are other departments but when you're a small department it's extremely problematic >> thank you. is there anything we can do? >> well - (laughter) the board of supervisors has the authority to amend the budget but also the - it is what it is my budget is what it is so - >> thank you. anything you further for director hicks. please call commission reports >> commission reports and commissioners president report. >> i had the privilege of

watching part of the bad kid thing and it representative to me i know it represented the heart of the city and cohesive what we did for that little boy. we had a great celebration but nothing better than a kid who is beating cancer. i was with the officer driving behind the bat mobile the prisoners were dropping their brooms and cheering for bad kid it shows the heart and soul of the city. all the officers were working that day anyway. i want to thank the cohesive it blew up because of the social media and thank the chiefs son

for designing the shirt. it making made a lot of money for the make a wish foundation. it was a great day and a sfpd was front and center. i got to take a picture the me with bat kid. commissioner kingsly. this last week, i had the privilege to observe a mediation an occ mediation don on a salazar r5i7b8gd it two meters paula johnson and attorney crystal-clear were the mediators on this it was held at the law

office. i was grateful to the officers involved and the person who affiliated the climate in allowing me to observe their mediation. it was informative. i think it was conducted with the highest degree of proving. the mediators were very skillful. you know, un plaza like a lot of the mastectomies the attorneys around the table are very he centered around a particular resolution have a problem it's usually a monetary problem or business type of problem here it's a matter of having the citizen and the officer involved talk to each other and really listens to each other and the met quarts facilitated that in a skillful about how far way.

the officer it was very clear the officer was listening very careful to what the complainant had to say and responded in a professional manner. and in both shared what was happening on that particular day in that particular incident. so just a report in and codify a testament to the professionalism to our occ department >> thank you, commissioner kingly, donna salazar runs a professional program and it is helpful to the complainant as well as to the officer. i liquor you had an opportunity to sit in on a mediation i was touched by the how the mediators

are able to facilitate a conversation when the parties start out far apart and a at the particular mediation i observed the officer and the complainant ended up how each other's families were. i thought that was so much more meaningful than a complaint getting a not sustained or an officer not getting sustained and feeling frustrated. commissioner loft tuesday. >> i have the pleasure to moderate a panel so i want to thank the cohesive for sending the finest prosecutors now he

heads up you tell marshall could i from the district attorney's office. and doctor from the commission on the status of women and the school board and supervisor bonding breed joined us. some of the women talked about the concerned about feeling safe on muni and some of the things on people being only murn he know we having had the homicide on the train. we need to look for each other. and in particular people who are more vulnerable than us. this is the beginning of a policy lab they're going to be thinking about policy idea and i encourage them to bring their policies to us. one thing that was a robust conversation was human

trafficking in the city the feeling in particular, the status on women has hired a story lawyer on the other hand, around advocate for women. she does love work with human trafficking. i think it was a year ago this week we had our joint commission on the status of women and the police commission. so it's my recommendation that and really request that we consider having a joint commission meeting again with the focus on the city's response to human trafficking. it's a trafficking thing in the month of january. there's a incredible thing as modern day slavery to destroy

someone's life it's much more difficult to get someone to testify against their assail last night. i would love for us to get together and have that conversation in one place. that's my report and request >> thank you inspector monroe. >> commission announcements and agenda for future meeting. >> our next meeting is at city hall on wednesday. after that it covers the christmas and a holiday it won't be for january 8th and then on the 8 we'll have a joint

supervisors meeting regarding bicycle and safety. thank you, commissioner kingsly. we're at the agenda item we're talking about other meeting agenda items and chief did you want to address the we had calendar for tonight the capital budget and the department had initialing said it was a go and we're up are inform the both the department and the occ operating policies and plans for next week. so what will work in terms of the capital budget? >> i can get with the director and found out i know we have a new scheduled. >> great okay. thank you. and so inspector and cohesive

will it work doing both the capital budget report budget next week as well as the scheduled operating budget plans >> i hope so. >> okay. thank you. >> the joint commissioner meeting is a thursday and what time. >> 2:00 p.m. >> i'm sorry 2:00 p.m. >> 2:00 p.m., two to four. >> i was the supervisor consulted about scheduling i said that we work during the day and 2:00 p.m. will not work. >> i can call the clerk's office to get it schedule for a

later time. >> i think the issue it's the actual public safety committee and that's when we meeting meet you understood we also asked them could they schedule that in the evening. >> we have something to iron out here. >> yes. please call and i'll speak to you about that tomorrow. >> commissioner loft tuesday. >> i was hoping to have something in december along the lines of increased staffing report on the sgsz and if there's been any movement open citations. the idea i wanted to concluded that conversation

>> i can get the newest data. >> okay. great so if that can be clarld or calendar for the eight so we can see the process. because the enforcement is going to be an issue. the other thing i want to address i understand we might be ready we can hold agenda to start the officer involved d go for the 11. we probably need to - inspector monroe or anyone >> we can try to calendar that i'll talk to rachel she should be rode shoel be rode then.

>> i'll call them tomorrow for confirmation. >> and then the last thing and we maybe in terms we'll be able to do that in the joint evening. >> thank you for reminding me about the traffic ideas. >> public comment and you'll matters proirn to item 5 below oh, wait this is public comment. >> any public comment regarding items 2 abc or d. >> commissioner loft to say with an saying about the unsolved homicides. i know that last time the chief suhr was to check the unsolved

homicides it's been a couple of commissioners commissions ago. i'm bringing it up back again, i was wondering you know why would it done before and - >> i apologize if you believed it was supposed to be sooner but i'll definitely have it the last 10 years by zip code. >> will i be notified about anything about that my son was involved in a homicide. >> right. >> i was showing the pictures of other people those mothers have asked me to show those homicides those mothers are hurting we've got a circle of people who have lost their children to homicide.

last week we were talking about seasons for sharing if anyone can donate cities for the children that are left behind. i've asked this before but i'm asking them now can they donate toys we've got one hundred and 50 kids in the killer. we need to catch the children now before the crimes start catch them while their young that's good but those kids have to go back home to the parents involve their families also. just don't do the children because those kids have to go back home and live the alive of their brother or sister being