and their illegal in clubs and businesses and they don't cause second-hand smoke that's one of the primary drivers of not allowing smoking inside. potentially advocating for using e cigarettes is one way to prevent smoking from bag as prominent. i've seen many, many people are switching to e cigarettes now. >> thank you very much. >> any other comments from commissioners. commissioner lee. >> i think the e cigarettes are great but there's leave people in the club that mistake it for regular smoking. we've had this problem before we would just for our policy we'd let everybody smoke outside

whether it's an e cigarette or not. but if you're circulating the crowd would you follow the policy of what the policies that ask people to go outside. it helps a policy to abide by. when i've had remember the parties and things like that i don't think how you feel about that but we'd search everybody to stop drugs if coming in. we don't do a thorough search we kind of see other people that may have gotten by and maybe see, you know, educate or mitigate problems? >> i guess first, we don't specifically tell people to

smoke inside or outside that's a question from commissioner joseph. but if that's the pole i recommend people follow. as to the other question obviously venues need to try to be within the law and, you know, 06r789s search people for laughness and that's fine. with respect to us if we see people with drugs after they're inside and telling the venue that's unfortunately would erode trust between us and the patrons. we'll just trying to give people information but if they see us as security they're not going to come to us. they'll be suspicious

>> obviously we have emts to look at those things. if you can't see it or smell it but ingest it i would see the reaction and help out >> absolutely that's something we try to do. in fact, in the bay area we've been trained i guess you counterfor people on psych activity substances so, yeah in those situations we often work with the emts. i know a bunch of emts that co- go to the event and if they're having you can an intense experienced from a reaction of a psych drug we try

to be available for those purposes and that's definitely what we're about >> commissioner akers. >> just a clarification. it is the policy of the entertainment commission that those cigarettes are not indoors >> no, that's about. >> it's our policy. >> so when you say we and are he's referring to his club. >> thanks for clarifying. just for the sack of time i don't know if there's other burning questions people want to get ahold of you where do they go >> we're on line at dot save.org. it's bay area at save.org. we try to be at as many events

as possible one at 1:15 actually in san francisco >> how large is your group is it 20 volunteers. >> we have a core group of 6 to 8 people and have a rotating group of 20 so we try to have 4 people anytime we go to a club or 6 to 8 for a festive. >> hopefully someone out there will help your effort. >> any last comments if not - thank you so much for coming here and answering questions we have. i have to take some public comment. people have public opinions. any comments about dan's presentation. all right. seeing none, public

comment is closed. that were thank you. again. just a few items on the agenda that are standard. number 7 is commissioners, comments or questions. i don't know. i see commissioner joseph and commissioner hyde >> first i'd like us to - we never acted on the approval of the sound for the permits. so we do not have a sound officer right now. how many permits are being held up for a lack of sound test >> i'd like to say there are 4 currently and have that are in the cue very soon. >> so this is december the beginning which december people want to open for new years eve. i'd like to i i know it's not on the agenda i'd like to get a consensus from my fellow commissioners that we go ahead

and explain to the commissioners we go ahead and and allow those permits and the sound test will come sometime in the future and if they have complaints we have a mechanism to deal with that >> i do need to clarify a motion to allow us to issue those from the commission but - so again, this is obviously our problem with having an inspection on staff. the standard set in the good neighbor policy is a higher standard than the sound test. we checked with the city attorney that we could, in fact, issue those from our office await having a d b set in there. the standard in the good neighbor policy says if we can

hear it outside it's a violation. we feel safe issuing those permits with those conditions along with others and the value of that sound test is for the venue, in fact, more than anything else. but in lou of that or until we have the staff to do those tests w50e8 we'd appreciate the fact to issue those permits in the good neighbor policy >> so would you need a motion today. >> i think we would need a clarifying motion to do that since it's not norm our policy to do so just for the temp in which we know have to do this for lack of a sound inspector. >> those are temporary permits.

>> no. >> how - i'm a sound text - house the sound tech search going. >> it has nothing to do with that it is set by human resources for 1742 correct. >> as much as i would have liked to have someone on new years eve i'm crossing my figures for the end of january. >> commissioner akers wasn't here the last time there are some minimum qualifications, you know, everybody is meeting one area but not the other so they're still ton the search. >> commissioner campagnoli. >> so those are 6 placements.

>> so there's 4 at the momentum that have finished their inspectors or are waiting for a sound test. because it's our fault that to hold them up is not fair and again, we checked with the city attorney we're not breaking any laws it's our standard practice to put a d b number into a sound test to let the venue know whether they're in violation of that or not but in lou of having the person not being available the standard is can i hear it outside or not. to be honest that's how the police did it before there was a entertainment commission. they did a have sound officer but he often didn't have a meter

so i guess i reiterate that so you feel somewhat comfortable we're not suggesting permits with no sound levels set we're setting a high bar but not holding up the process and we'll be able to bring that down >> so in keeping with that and the fact we have civil certificates to serve the public and if something is our fault i'd like to move that we issue the 6 permits place of entertainment permits until such time as the entertainment commission has a sound officer. that's my motion >> there's a motion is there a second. >> second. >> all right. any further

discussion about this those are permits we've already heard their pending. >> that's right. >> we've gotten police and fire. >> so the enforcement of the police would be the one to enforce it so they come to you and say we've heard it. >> or the neighbors and. >> and you've you - >> ourself at staff level going and doing testing when we needed to or investigating or some of the inspectors have sauftd in the past but, of course, this is not going to put us at risk i

don't believe it's pitting the public at risk in any way it's just making there's no number which is what a sound test is helpful for its a permit holder is really assisted in the most part. every other party involved hearing the sound will respond to the same regardless >> has b there ever been a d b set louder than than the sound levels. >> no. >> i'm wondering what the point is to allow them. >> to know what the sound is sxaip the venue. >> if base becomes a problem we often ask sound officers will

designate a megahertz level for the base or inform the occupant about better sound proofing. things like that. that will come to us when we get the complaints and go ahead and staff is perfectly capable of doing that without the officer but they need the complaint first so the staff will deal with it when it kingdoms >> so there's a motion and second to allow for our staff to go ahead and issue permits pending the hiring of a actual sound inspector. so can we take some public comment on this. anyone have an opinion. seeing one.

>> good evening commissions i'm just heard, you know, commissioners talk about this issue. it's a process in order to get somebody appointed to, you know, have the ability to do the sound test. i'm wondering if we could consider outsourcing it for the time being until someone can come in like a third party for the action so to speak and get those permits so there's some degree of measurement. i kind of look at an example like someone has a do you have a urine and blood test there's some degree of measurement. i think if someone later contests something maybe we can wait until we get someone open the team like bob has done for

so many years >> thank any public comment on this item?. seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners you guys have any more thoughts on this before we take a vote. it doesn't look like it. let's take a vote >> commissioner campagnoli. commissioner lee. commissioner joseph. commissioner hyde commissioner akers. president at an >> thank you. >> with that the motion passes. i know there are a cough other commissioner comments like commissioner hyde and commissioner akers >> yeah. my comment is happy holiday to everyone and since we're notd not 0 going into the year with another meeting. i'm calling on the commission to ladder and think about the best ways to be pro-active in our jobs here as not only regulators

but promoter of night life and make sure that when things are happening in the city we're aware of them and so we do take an active really. i think we do a really good job and hope we continue to move forward with that. commissioner akers >> my comment is minor. i notice that audry joseph is needed as vice chair >> good eyes. i was just clarifying because a there's two vice chairs >> thank you for pointing out. any other commissioner convicting that he that i on commission questions or comments >> let's move on to item 8 for

new agenda items. one thing we want to put on january 7th agenda is a hearing on 10 b i believe they commissioner commissioner hyde vice president commissioner hyde is lining up speakers and supervisor avalos is asking for information >> the police want to come and give a presentation on 10 b we're going to also have the sheriff's department here and then possibly a committee will be asked to speak. we can't put them on the agenda but we may ask them to speak >> anyone out there in the public have an opinion about 10 b please come out to our january 7th meeting.

any other new agenda items. for the future agenda meeting. all right. any public comment about our future agenda meeting. i believe that brings us to the i understand of our meeting. this meeting is

>> there has been an acknowledgement of the special places around san francisco bay. well, there is something sort of innate in human beings, i think, that tend to recognize a good spot when you see it, a spot that takes your breath away. this is one of them. >> an icon of the new deal. >> we stood here a week ago and we heard all of these dignitaries talk about the symbol that coit tower is for san francisco. it's interesting for those of us in the pioneer park project is trying to make the point that not only the tower, not only this man-built edifice here is a symbol of the city but also the green space on which it sits and the hill to which is rests. to understand them, you have to

understand the topography of san francisco. early days of the city, the city grows up in what is the financial district on the edge of chinatown. everything they rely on for existence is the golden gate. it's of massive importance to the people what comes in and out of san francisco bay. they can't see it where they are. they get the idea to build a giant wooden structure. the years that it was up here, it gave the name telegraph hill. it survived although the structure is long gone. come to the 1870's and the city has growed up remarkably. it's fueled with money from the nevada silver mines and the gold rush. it's trying to be the paris of the west. now the beach is the suburbs, the we will their people lived on the bottom and the poorest people lived on the top because it was very hard getting to the top of telegraph hill. it was mostly lean-to sharks and bits of pieces of houses up

here in the beginning. and a group of 20 businessmen decided that it would be better if the top of the hill remained for the public. so they put their money down and they bought four lots at the top of the hill and they gave them to the city. lily hitchcock coit died without leaving a specific use for her bequest. she left a third of her estate for the beautify indication of the city. arthur brown, noted architect in the city, wanted for a while to build a tower. he had become very interested in persian towers. it was the 1930's. it was all about machinery and sort of this amazing architecture, very powerful architecture. he convinced the rec park commission that building a tower in her memory would be the thing to do with her money. >> it was going to be a wonderful observation place because it was one of the highest hills in the city

anywhere and that that was the whole reason why it was built that high and had the elevator access immediately from the beginning as part of its features. >> my fear's studio was just down the street steps. we were in a very small apartment and that was our backyard. when they were preparing the site for the coit tower, there was always a lot of harping and griping about how awful progress was and why they would choose this beautiful pristine area to do them in was a big question. as soon as the coit tower was getting finished and someone put in the idea that it should be used for art, then, all of a sudden, he was excited about the coit tower. it became almost like a daily

destination for him to enjoy the atmosphere no matter what the politics, that wasn't the point. as long as they fit in and did their work and did their own creative expression, that was all that was required. they turned in their drawings. the drawings were accepted. if they snuck something in, well, there weren't going to be any stoolies around. they made such careful little diagrams of every possible little thing about it as though that was just so important and that they were just the big frog. and, actually, no one ever felt that way about them and they weren't considered something like that. in later life when people would approach me and say, well, what did you know about it?

we were with him almost every day and his children, we grew up together and we didn't think of him as a commie and also the same with the other. he was just a family man doing normal things. no one thought anything of what he was doing. some of them were much more highly trained. it shows, in my estimation, in the murals. this was one of the masterpieces. families at home was a lot more close to the life that i can remember that we lived. murals on the upper floors like the children playing on the swings and i think the little deer in the forest where you could come and see them in the woods and the sports that were

always available, i think it did express the best part of our lives. things that weren't costing money to do, you would go to a picnic on the beach or you would do something in the woods. my favorite of all is in the staircase. it's almost a miracle masterpiece how he could manage to not only fit everyone, of course, a lot of them i recognized from my childhood -- it's how he juxtaposed and managed to kind of climb up that stairway on either side very much like you are walking down a street. it was incredible to do that and to me, that is what depicted the life of the times in san francisco. i even like the ones that show the industrial areas, the once with the workers showing them in the cannery and i can remember going in there and

seeing these women with the caps, with the nets shuffling these cans through. my parents had a ranch in santa rosa and we went there all summer. i could see these people leaning over and checking. it looked exactly like the beautiful things about the ranch. i think he was pretty much in the never look back philosophy about the coit. i don't think he ever went to visit again after we moved from telegraph hill, which was only five or six years later. i don't think he ever had to see it when the initials are scratched into everything and people had literally destroyed the lower half of everything. >> well, in my view, the tower had been pretty much neglected from the 1930's up until the

1980's. it wasn't until then that really enough people began to be alarmed about the condition of the murals, the tower was leaking. some of the murals suffered wear damage. we really began to organize getting funding through the arts commission and various other sources to restore the murals. they don't have that connection or thread or maintain that connection to your history and your past, what do you have? that's one of the major elements of what makes quality of life in san francisco so incredible. when people ask me, and they ask me all the time, how do you get to coit tower, i say you walk. that's the best way to experience the gradual elevation coming up above the hustle and bustle of the city and finding this sort of oasis, if you will, at the top of the

hill. when i walk through this park, i look at these brick walls and this lawn, i look at the railings around the murals. i look at the restoration and i think, yeah, i had something to do with that. learning the lessons, thank you, landmarks meet landmarks. the current situation at pioneer park and coit tower is really based in public and private partnership. it was the citizens who came together to buy the land to keep it from being developed. it was lily hitchcock coit to give money to the city to beautify the city she loved of the park project worked to develop this south side and still that's the basis of our future project to address the north side. i pledge allegiance

flag of the united states of america. on that have billion. mr. president, i'd like to call roll please. please do >> commissioner turman. . vice president marshall a excused. sxhos is in repute. commissioner loftus >> also with us is the chief of police and the director of sense complaints. >> ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the wednesday, december 11, 2013,