>> thank you very much. >> any other comments from commissioners. commissioner lee. >> i think the e cigarettes are great but there's leave people in the club that mistake it for regular smoking. we've had this problem before we would just for our policy we'd let everybody smoke outside whether it's an e cigarette or not. but if you're circulating the crowd would you follow the policy of what the policies that ask people to go outside. it helps a policy to abide by. when i've had remember the parties and things like that i don't think how you feel about

that but we'd search everybody to stop drugs if coming in. we don't do a thorough search we kind of see other people that may have gotten by and maybe see, you know, educate or mitigate problems? >> i guess first, we don't specifically tell people to smoke inside or outside that's a question from commissioner joseph. but if that's the pole i recommend people follow. as to the other question obviously venues need to try to be within the law and, you know, 06r789s search people for laughness and that's fine. with respect to us if we see people with drugs after they're

inside and telling the venue that's unfortunately would erode trust between us and the patrons. we'll just trying to give people information but if they see us as security they're not going to come to us. they'll be suspicious >> obviously we have emts to look at those things. if you can't see it or smell it but ingest it i would see the reaction and help out >> absolutely that's something we try to do. in fact, in the bay area we've

been trained i guess you counterfor people on psych activity substances so, yeah in those situations we often work with the emts. i know a bunch of emts that co- go to the event and if they're having you can an intense experienced from a reaction of a psych drug we try to be available for those purposes and that's definitely what we're about >> commissioner akers. >> just a clarification. it is the policy of the entertainment commission that those cigarettes are not indoors >> no, that's about. >> it's our policy. >> so when you say we and are he's referring to his club. >> thanks for clarifying. just for the sack of time i

don't know if there's other burning questions people want to get ahold of you where do they go >> we're on line at dot save.org. it's bay area at save.org. we try to be at as many events as possible one at 1:15 actually in san francisco >> how large is your group is it 20 volunteers. >> we have a core group of 6 to 8 people and have a rotating group of 20 so we try to have 4 people anytime we go to a club or 6 to 8 for a festive.

>> hopefully someone out there will help your effort. >> any last comments if not - thank you so much for coming here and answering questions we have. i have to take some public comment. people have public opinions. any comments about dan's presentation. all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. that were thank you. again. just a few items on the agenda that are standard. number 7 is commissioners, comments or questions. i don't know. i see commissioner joseph and commissioner hyde >> first i'd like us to - we never acted on the approval of the sound for the permits. so we do not have a sound officer right now.

how many permits are being held up for a lack of sound test >> i'd like to say there are 4 currently and have that are in the cue very soon. >> so this is december the beginning which december people want to open for new years eve. i'd like to i i know it's not on the agenda i'd like to get a consensus from my fellow commissioners that we go ahead and explain to the commissioners we go ahead and and allow those permits and the sound test will come sometime in the future and if they have complaints we have a mechanism to deal with that >> i do need to clarify a motion to allow us to issue those from the commission but - so again, this is obviously our

problem with having an inspection on staff. the standard set in the good neighbor policy is a higher standard than the sound test. we checked with the city attorney that we could, in fact, issue those from our office await having a d b set in there. the standard in the good neighbor policy says if we can hear it outside it's a violation. we feel safe issuing those permits with those conditions along with others and the value of that sound test is for the venue, in fact, more than anything else. but in lou of that or until we have the staff to do those tests w50e8 we'd appreciate the fact to issue those permits in the

good neighbor policy >> so would you need a motion today. >> i think we would need a clarifying motion to do that since it's not norm our policy to do so just for the temp in which we know have to do this for lack of a sound inspector. >> those are temporary permits. >> no. >> how - i'm a sound text - house the sound tech search going. >> it has nothing to do with that it is set by human resources for 1742 correct. >> as much as i would have liked to have someone on new years eve i'm crossing my

figures for the end of january. >> commissioner akers wasn't here the last time there are some minimum qualifications, you know, everybody is meeting one area but not the other so they're still ton the search. >> commissioner campagnoli. >> so those are 6 placements. >> so there's 4 at the momentum that have finished their inspectors or are waiting for a sound test. because it's our fault that to hold them up is not fair and again, we checked with the city attorney we're not breaking any laws it's our standard practice to put a d b number into a sound

test to let the venue know whether they're in violation of that or not but in lou of having the person not being available the standard is can i hear it outside or not. to be honest that's how the police did it before there was a entertainment commission. they did a have sound officer but he often didn't have a meter so i guess i reiterate that so you feel somewhat comfortable we're not suggesting permits with no sound levels set we're setting a high bar but not holding up the process and we'll be able to bring that down >> so in keeping with that and the fact we have civil certificates to serve the public and if something is our fault

i'd like to move that we issue the 6 permits place of entertainment permits until such time as the entertainment commission has a sound officer. that's my motion >> there's a motion is there a second. >> second. >> all right. any further discussion about this those are permits we've already heard their pending. >> that's right. >> we've gotten police and fire. >> so the enforcement of the police would be the one to enforce it so they come to you and say we've heard it. >> or the neighbors and.

>> and you've you - >> ourself at staff level going and doing testing when we needed to or investigating or some of the inspectors have sauftd in the past but, of course, this is not going to put us at risk i don't believe it's pitting the public at risk in any way it's just making there's no number which is what a sound test is helpful for its a permit holder is really assisted in the most part. every other party involved hearing the sound will respond to the same regardless >> has b there ever been a d b

set louder than than the sound levels. >> no. >> i'm wondering what the point is to allow them. >> to know what the sound is sxaip the venue. >> if base becomes a problem we often ask sound officers will designate a megahertz level for the base or inform the occupant about better sound proofing. things like that. that will come to us when we get the complaints and go ahead and staff is perfectly capable of doing that without the officer but they need the complaint first so the staff will deal

with it when it kingdoms >> so there's a motion and second to allow for our staff to go ahead and issue permits pending the hiring of a actual sound inspector. so can we take some public comment on this. anyone have an opinion. seeing one. >> good evening commissions i'm just heard, you know, commissioners talk about this issue. it's a process in order to get somebody appointed to, you know, have the ability to do the sound test. i'm wondering if we could consider outsourcing it for the time being until someone can come in like a third party for the action so to speak and get those permits so there's some degree of measurement.

i kind of look at an example like someone has a do you have a urine and blood test there's some degree of measurement. i think if someone later contests something maybe we can wait until we get someone open the team like bob has done for so many years >> thank any public comment on this item?. seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners you guys have any more thoughts on this before we take a vote. it doesn't look like it. let's take a vote >> commissioner campagnoli. commissioner lee. commissioner joseph. commissioner hyde commissioner akers. president at an >> thank you. >> with that the motion passes.

i know there are a cough other commissioner comments like commissioner hyde and commissioner akers >> yeah. my comment is happy holiday to everyone and since we're notd not 0 going into the year with another meeting. i'm calling on the commission to ladder and think about the best ways to be pro-active in our jobs here as not only regulators but promoter of night life and make sure that when things are happening in the city we're aware of them and so we do take an active really. i think we do a really good job and hope we continue to move forward with that. commissioner akers >> my comment is minor. i notice that audry joseph is

needed as vice chair >> good eyes. i was just clarifying because a there's two vice chairs >> thank you for pointing out. any other commissioner convicting that he that i on commission questions or comments >> let's move on to item 8 for new agenda items. one thing we want to put on january 7th agenda is a hearing on 10 b i believe they commissioner commissioner hyde vice president commissioner hyde is lining up speakers and supervisor avalos is asking for information >> the police want to come and

give a presentation on 10 b we're going to also have the sheriff's department here and then possibly a committee will be asked to speak. we can't put them on the agenda but we may ask them to speak >> anyone out there in the public have an opinion about 10 b please come out to our january 7th meeting. any other new agenda items. for the future agenda meeting. all right. any public comment about our future agenda meeting. i believe that brings us to the i understand of our meeting. this meeting is the inteblth is

of our everyday life everyone with the seniors use it for work and play. although there's a many valuable websites on line. >> the first thing a senior will

ask me is about viruses if they go on websites what are the discharges of being on the internet. >> for instance, you see something that maybe from the bank and the first thing it starts asking you for a private information where you get intiger's offers and they're not real. the way to tell where it's a fishing scam or not is who it's from. they can fake a name that says paypal but they can't fake an e-mail address it would be from a bank if they have any issue it's not going to be over an

e-mail. >> stay away from e-mail all the same can be said on networking sites. the user should make sure they know the person before clicking on the requests >> some of tracking software they can get argue bank account information some are more hamper full we'll get pop ups and i want to avoid those. there are many levels of protect your i s public works usually has a security looking for things you should have a updated advisor software. there are a lot of anti virus programs the number one free viruses program is microsoft

security and microsoft has an invested interest for people to make sure their computers are safe purify you don't want to use easy to guess passwords and mix things up. you want to have a capital letter or a special characteristic like american people exclamation point and change our pass wood frequently every 6 months or so. be aware that anything on the public community someone else can be looking over our shoulder and there's memory that keeps the informational so when you log off clear the briers so somebody can't come behind you and see the information >> when your banking or

shopping on line the browsers tells us you that this site is safe. when you're on a safe site you're going to see number one the address on top will see h h p.s. and that sustained for security and none of your information is out into the public. sometimes, you'll see a lock that the browsers has deprecated that that browsers is navigate save. because of evenly crippling item $0.31 it's actual for dangers to if you give our credit card at a waiter thank you arraignment. so a lot of people don't get that and it can make our life easier. if you have mobility issues

that's a in his luxury to have. >> the internet provides a lot of profundities. people young and old. by following some simple rules you you can, in fact, the web safely and securely. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ for more information visit there are so many ways that the internet provides real access to real people and resources and that's what we're try to go accomplish. >> i was interested in

technology like video production. it's interesting, you get to create your own work and it reflects what you feel about saying things so it gives perspective on issues. >> we work really hard to develop very in depth content, but if they don't have a venue, they do not have a way to show us, then this work is only staying here inside and nobody knows the brilliance and the amazing work that the students are doing. >> the term has changed over time from a very basic who has a computer and who doesn't have a computer to now who has access to the internet, especially high speed internet, as well as the skills and the knowledge to use those tools effectively. . >> the city is charged with coming up with digital inclusion. the department of telecommunications put together a 15 member san francisco tech connect task force. we want the digital inclusion

program to make sure we address the needs of underserved vulnerable communities, not communities that are already very tech savvy. we are here to provide a, b and c to the seniors. a stands for access. b stands for basic skills and c stands for content. and unless we have all three, the monolingual chinese seniors are never going to be able to use the computer or the internet. >> a lot of the barrier is knowledge. people don't know that these computers are available to them, plus they don't know what is useful. >> there are so many businesses in the bay area that are constantly retiring their computer equipment that's perfectly good for home use. computers and internet access are helping everybody in the community and people who don't have it can come to us to help with that. one of the biggest problems we see isn't whether people can get computers through programs like ours, but whether they can

understand why they need a computer. really the biggest issue we are facing today is helping people understand the value of having a computer. >> immediately they would say can i afford a computer? i don't speak any english. how do i use it. then they will start to learn how to do email or how to go back to chinese newspaper to read all the chinese newspaper. >> a lot of the barrier still is around lack of knowledge or confusion or intimidation and not having people in their peer network who use computers in their lives. >> the important thing i learned from caminos was to improve myself personally. when i first came to caminos, i didn't know anything about computers. the second thing is i have become -- i have made some great achievements as an individual in my family and in things of the world. >> it's a real issue of self-empowerment where new immigrant families are able to

communicate with their families at home, able to receive news and information in their own home language, really become more and more connected with the world as well as connected even inside their local communities. >> if we value the diversity of our city and we value our diverse neighborhoods in the city, we need to ensure that they remain economically viable. equiping them and equiping residents in those areas with jobs that will enable them to stay in san francisco is critical to that. >> the important thing that i see here at caminos is it helps the low income community, it helps the women who wouldn't have this opportunity otherwise. >> the workers with more education in san francisco are more likely to be able to working that knowledge sector. where they are going to need that familiarity with the internet, they are going to find value with it and use it and be productive with it every day. and half of the city's population that's in the other boat is disconnected from all

that potential prosperity. >> we really need to promote content and provide applications that are really relevant to people's lives here. so a lot of the inspiration, especially among the immigrant community, we see is communications with people from their home country but we as much want to use the internet as a tool for people to connect within the local san francisco community. >> i think it's our job as public educators to give them this access and give them this opportunity to see that their efforts are being appreciated beyond their immediate reach. >> you have to blend this idea of community network with computer equipment with training and with support. we can pull all that together, then we've got it. >> it's as much about social and economic justice -- in fact it's more about social and economic justice than just

>> >> good morning, everyone. ed meeting will come to order. this is the tuesday, december tenth, 2013, meeting of the plans and programs committee of the san francisco county transportation authority, our clerk is miss erika cheng, could you call the roll? >> roll call, commissioner breed? >> here. >> commissioner campos? >> absent. >> kim, absent fp >> mar. >> present. >> yee