the events vibe. and know that how it works and how it runs. they had had the whole process that that gentlemen, we do the whole process we don't have to go toes cot but they give me a estimate if the officers don't show up if they're sick i don't get charged. my head of security and the horses we hire where to work and where to push people over the 13 years and god i've had 20 of same officers over the years i hope that stays the same.

you have 30 seconds >> its cost prohibit active. i love the station bye >> may i ask a point of information. do you have an average of how many 10 b officers higher strictly bluegrass >> been one hundred and 10. >> and we do get a list of where they are. >> great carolyn and others hello commissioners. i'm the director of programs with the united players and this is our director of operations. we're located in the south of market and we have a really great relationship with captain

redman. we it seems to me a lot of changes have taken care of with 10 b i'm happy to hear. we had a horrible experience in 2009 we were planning our tenth anniversary it was an event for the alumni program we expected hundreds of people we were working with the hotel for most and two days before the event we get a call from the hotel saying the sfpd said we couldn't have the event unless we were hiring 10 b officers. we were told it t to have 10 offers e officers that would cost 5 h $4,000 but then 2 and there was no alternative.

you asked the question about what happens when the person didn't can't afford that there was no negotiation. we were told if we didn't higher those officers we couldn't have our farther which we paid for at the hotel. we were in tiers literally because we were expecting all those people it was supposed to be a great event for our families and the young people and it at the end up being a scary experience so i'm glad there were changes made. you know, i wanted to share that experience so for larger event it make sense but four smaller events there needs to be a guideline >> your event took place inside the hotel. >> yes, ma'am and did you require any permits for that.

>> no and we had security. >> you can have two imaginations or minutes. >> i wanted to say a little bit more someone mentioned the budgeted e 3wib9 of it and the cost we remember a brand new nonprofit so we had pretty limited resources we have about $3,000 for this event. so, so when it came down to the last event i have a copy of the check. it at the end up costing us $960 that was a third of our budget so it costs us half of what we raised. it's for small nonprofit organizations when those things you accompany at the last minute. it's painful to our pocketbooks. so it sounds like things have

changed we be planning another 20th year anniversary. >> great. thank you very much. next up (calling names) >> hello, i'm chris i'm with the inner sunset park neighbors. we've been holding live event 8 events we're currently live closing one block between 9th and 10th. we had two events and the cost was significant. that he found we had to make it a profit event and fill the space with vendors we didn't want to do that. so we scaled the block down to one block and still are the cost of pcos and police officers that

was 28 hundreds. and in any case we have to cover that plus the restrooms andes cot. so we had to recuperate that we've been fortunate enough to work with the car very well station. there's no reason i need to be here so they've backed that off. we've had pco officers we weren't sure what they were doing. if a pco officer was in an intersection the drivers didn't understand they were not there to police the intersection that were we made the decision we had a christmas party and christmas tree and carol and christmas music and weren't selling

anything and it was wonderful. if you could help us do this and get away from the street models they have to be big profits their where you think by nonprofits. as you can see with the streets and a don't you ask you a point of information. when you started out our event were you ever selling alcohol >> never. >> so next up susan king, guy carson and others. >> thank you for having this hearing. i think it's an important opportunity to a talk about event organizing. i'm suing kinky work with liveable city we proud the events around san francisco. we are fortunate to have the strong support of the family.

but this year or last year rather we embarked on a new initiative to create small-scale play sdrts streets to teach people to organize their own events. we're not continuing the program and one of the main reasons is the process of organizing community run events that are family focused without alcohol are really out of reach of most of the community organizes. and people don't have a couple of hundred of dollars around. we ended up subsidizing those. i'm appreciative of the sheriff's department and police department and i appreciate your really i don't want to seem ungravel but there has to be a

way to address public safety and still make those events particularly community events like the united players do in sunset sunday to energy local neighborhood to take care of control of their streets but the minute you want to have kids play ball and you need off duty police officers. so anyways i wanted to put that out there. there's room for further you discussion how to empower our neighborhood and a make those events using the police academy cadets to relieve the burden >> thank you

(calling names). >> hello commissioners. very happy to be talking to you on my first day of director of the music and culture organizations >> feeling a little bit under the weather but i want to speak for you members while we applaud commissioner hydes effort to bring this sensitive subject to a public forum we want to encourage everyone to take a citywide approach and looking at the departmental costs not only with the 10 b program but with the parks that are having a negative impact on our promoters inability to host open air events especially free events. we think now is the time

especially with the councilmember kersey new expanded e ic now is the time to take into account that on a serious level >> thank you (calling names). >> good evening i'm with the harvey milk club. i'm going to let tom talk about the specifics. as you all know the milk club has been concerned with the entertainment and night life and how they effect the characteristic of the city. i hear about large promoters very appreciative in ms. holiday made a good point they've worked well, with the station and it's

been a plus for harvey stricker bluegrass but for events on a shoe string this is a problem. we've been in discussions with united players also the number of police are arbitrary and inxhicht we want to put-down some lodge behind those procedures. i know that smaller events are forced to leave the city it's not tied into 10 b but 9 book fair that was held inside the fair building for at least 10 years has had to move to oakland because the recreation and parks are issuing recks. and i urge you to consider 10 b

in terms of making that a reasonable and logistical application >> (calling names) and after that we're happy to take other members. >> i'm president of the harvey milk club. hard french is a promotion group that we produce in terms of attendees and budget relatively small community orientated events. every year we provide a signature event we're aiming to keep our prices low so people who don't have a lot of funds can get in and hopefully to grow ourselves to create bigger

events. our first pride party we somehow grafted together of the funds for a street closure and the associated costs with 10 b offers officers additional coupled with the venue security and all the things were you mean so cost prohibit active we didn't turn a profit and we have not revisited the opportunity to do any larger scale outdoor events. we would like to grow to the point where getting to be with folks in the fulsome provider that focuses on the community event we can't consider at this point. so any efforts on the part of the commissions to make street

closures to try to do something with the costs of 10 b to make it easier for us to throw event for the community would be greatly appreciate >> any other any public comment on this issue. if you are please go ahead and line up >> president tan and i'm mark. i have a real mixture feeling. i think in certain events i'm involved with the harvey strictly it's amazing how the police officers coordinate that that event but i'm called back to any memory of an electronic dance event where we ended up in federal court because at the last minute the police decided they needed one hundred and 50

police officers. now 10 b is running money. they won't give you one but 2 we're close to $300 an hour so you have a two hour event your wiping out about 90 percent of the fence that could be done in san francisco. we settled for 10 officers and that's quite a bit when ms. holiday said she had half a million people with 10 offered. it's pulling numbers out of the hat if you don't like it sorry. sometimes, it's done at the last

minute like a harvey street party. i've been if n involved if the hate street council for many years and i see the costs from the city are going up and we're getting to the point we can't afford it and we're grandfathered in so thank you >> any other last minute comment. seeing none, public comment is closed >> i think commissioner joseph go ahead. >> i want to say i live on a 1 block street up in the hills and this past summer and i don't know if the sunday street people were behind this doing community play streets but the folks on my street got together we got a bunch of barricades delivered and we closed off half the street and all the neighborhoods

got together and put up a bounce i didn't house and people brought out a couple i have boom boxes and we had a party in the street. nobody sold anything. the neighbors got to know each other. i'm not sure that's the kind of play streets you're talking about but it was a great event. i've lived on any streets 16 years. so i didn't take a lot of money to do that and which we didn't have 10 b. i acquired of my next door neighbor if she got a street closure and she said she did. i guess there's certain street closures that don't require 10 b. if itself inconsistent you know,

i think i have a problem with paid security. someone said paid security so if theirs volunteers who are supposed to be - is it proposed to be paid security because folsom have people that are not pied >> i think they were referring to an event in a hotel. >> other paid security. i thought 234er7 talking about all right. then in a venue it's different. you know, in ail honest i've had nothing but great experiences with 10 b so i don't know what to say about that. it's costly and the administrator fees tacked on is costly but at the end of the day they also turned out great and i

do some great big events. i just used 10 b and they did their job and we had a lot of people >> i don't know if that's the same experience. >> is there any other commissioner comments. >> commissioner lee. >> to add to that. basically, the police officer do a good job. we not saying the police shouldn't be here but the problem is putting the budget together and getting the costs established. at least a few months in advance if 43 they have to have this amount of offers o officers let's have the money together. i'm not sure saying their have a

problem with m b i'm saying citywide to help the other nonprofits that might not be considering to have an event. that's ail we're saying we need the police to be there there are a deterrent maybe they didn't sign up for enough officers maybe the sheriff's can fill in. if they could streamline the process and figure out the costs ahead of time and there'sly way to a your the fact they can still raise the money 38 they might be short $20,000 but it's better to know that ahead of time and a commissioner akers. the process now is the community or the promoter doesn't have a

choice in using or utilizing the sheriff's department and side police department so the police have the first right of roughly and that rarely comes up. and that's an issue to maybe look at. how to give more flexibility to venues and preordainment's that are on a tighter budget if there's an open book process, you know, some process where people on a budget could use the sheriff's department. commissioner hyde did you want to say something. i want to reiterate this is not something that the commission can change or regulate. it's the reason i have asked that we tube it because people kept ask me to talk about it.

and i would like to say i know i really wanted folsom event to be here. i know they have dorsey alley that's two blocks and has almost the same amount of 10 b officers because they've expanded for all of folsom street that is 7 or 8 blocks long. i don't understand how their can be that sort of discrepancy because i don't think that's in the cities best interest making sure we can continue to house culture events with tax dollars and adhere neighborhoods together and adhere communities together i wanted to hear this because i think that is a

concern that the entertainment commission should be aware of. i really wanted to thank everyone who came out and shared their knowledge as well as their how 10 b has worked for them. so thanks so much. we have a couple of other agenda items. thank you, everyone for coming if you were coming her specifically for this item. we're not going to act on it today but clearly that's been issues we'll look into more outside of this meeting but in interest of time we'll move on. item 6 is the impossible action regarding our permits. i'm going to hand it over to our colleague. >> the colleagues are here.

their requesting to continue their entertainment permitted. i've completed the application several months ago but due to some scheduling conflicts it turned out the application was not heard so we want to make sure that happened. they've been in business over thirty years and their permit was slightly outdated because it was juan torres and now the staff at that time, felt it noted to be updated so they went through the entire process and got their sign offices. the new permit officer has not had a chance to visit the restaurants but he understands the commission needs to act

>> great ms. torres. >> she doesn't speak english. i'm the manager the night club and we've been returning the club for 35 years now >> okay. great. are there any police to speak to this? yeah. why don't i have a seat if we have questions we'll come back >> i'm inspector keller and the police department has no issues with = cap at the. >> great commissioners you have any questions for the applicant or police. great. is there any public comment on this >> seeing none.

>> - oh, there is. >> nope false alarm. >> i'm happy to take a motion. >> i move to accept this permit. >> a second. >> a motion and second let's take a vote. i want to say one thing. i know you've been in business for a long time i'll say on our neighborhood outreach it's all businesses and it might help you to get more businesses and fit into the neighborhood a little bit better if you went it to a small business stuff like that especially as we get more crowded. >> so on the motion to approve the permit. commissioner akers. commissioner joseph. commissioner lee. commissioner campagnoli.

and president tan >> so moved. congratulations the permit has been approved. so let's move on >> so item b was doing bus as and next the bar. we understood she was trying to come but she was injured earlier today but she has the farrell street bar on larkin street. she's looking for a bill yard permit. she wants everyone to know this is the oldest bar in san francisco. we have no oxygen to this

application >> commissioner you have a question. >> no. any other commissioners that have questions that staff could answer and a i'm sorry mrs. graft is here >> come on up. you want to tell us about >> i want to thrill i've been at the location for 14 years and to request some of my regulars i'm applying for a pool permit. >> go ahead and have a seat. any police officers questions or comments about this permit >> all right. go ahead and have a seat.

is there any public comment? on this? is there one >> i think it's for someone else. >> crystal can you grab that speaker card. all right. i guess there's no any public comment? about this. the matter is now with the commission. any motion >> move to approve. >> second. second >> second by commissioner perez. >> to approval that commissioner perez. commissioner akers. commissioner hyde. commissioner joseph. commissioner lee. commissioner campagnoli. president tan >> so moved. all right. we are going to move on to of d >> the lease doing business is also requesting a bill