>> so if we could have an understanding of what this is going to cost if we're going to do it, it's important we do it right and invest the necessary resources to making it happen. >> and we have to discuss with the sfpuc about the resource allocation. >> let me be clear i think at this point where we are we need a fresh pair of eyes and experts to look at this to bring all of our work together and look at it in a different way and i think it's important that we do away from the puc. >> thank you to the staff for the work and the information you brought back to us it's really helpful and i'm actually very excited and opt imistic and so i really appreciate the

work that everyone has invested in making this a possibility thank you. >> do we need to take a vote on item 3 c. >> i'd prefer if you direct staff to prepare an rfp for your consideration at least an outline at your next meeting along the lines of your discussion. >> so you want us to make a motion to approve this item? >> yes. >> so we have a motion by commissioner breed seconded by commissioner councilmember marcason mar. >> thank you for your great work on this. >> before we move onto the next item -- i don't believe that we have taken a motion to excuse commissioner, chair avalos who

could not be here so if we can have a motion by commissioner breed and if we can take that without objection. thank you. item number 4. >> 2014 lafco schedule. >> great. miss miller. >> the appropriate schedule is before you under our bye laws. >> okay so we have a motion before we take action on the motion why don't we open it up to public comment. seeing none public comment is closed so we have a motion we can take that without objection. >> we can now go to the next item item number type of. >> executive officers report. >> there's no report at this time. >> no report is there any

public comment on this item? seeing none public comment is closed. >> we can now go to item number 6. >> this is an opportunity for any members of the public to speak on any item that's not on the agenda. >> seeing no member of the public, public comment is closed. >> future agenda items. item number 7. >> is there anyone that would like to speak on any possible items? >> any member of the public? >> okay mr. brooks. >> eric brooks again. san francisco green party and also you might remember a few years ago 2006 and 7 my organization and we are still part of a coalition when when google and

earth link -- we're seeing tomorrow today or tomorrow the announcement that the fact that we kept them for actually charging us for wifi is leading to these corporations just giving it to us so that's something that's positive. and i'm hoping that in 2014 we finally do get scheduled on this item of building a public broadband internet network just like building the roads and highways we need in san francisco i'm hoping in 2014 we'll finally get action items on that and doing studies on how we can roll that out. >> great thank you very much. anything else? so not seeing

any member of the public commenting this item is closed and i believe that leads us to our next item which is item number 8 but before i do that i want to wish everyone a very happy holiday i hope you have a please ant and safe and joyful holiday season and best wishes for the new year madam clerk you can call item number 8. >> item number 8 adjournment. >> meeting adjourned thank you very muchpresident.

>> call that meeting back to order fouling our short recess and take full responsibility we took subsequential more time. ma'am, secretary next item >> item 6 is communications.

>> commissioner. >> okay. if you'll divulge me there's a couple of things i want to say. first, we have a any public comment? after each item and i try carefully to make sure that i not only do fail to call for the public opportunity to discuss the items so, you know, we can get a better feel for what's utilizing out there. i want to say again for the record we have a lot of staff i happen to represent myself a number of employees with work $0.40 for the public commission but your management team is extraordinarily outstanding. oftentimes they find it difficult to basically make

everybody happy; right? i want to make sure that everybody knows that we support our team that's in place because we know that every effort is being made on behalf of each individual to get cross the goal line and some days we lose sight of that pr with with respect to the communications i'm going to point out you tell first number 6 b the letter summary i'm going to start with the communications via the electronic mail to supervisor yee and it recommendation to making lake merced and public i didn't banks banks to this rec and park update. we've had long xhfgz i think we

had a hearing to the boat house and the bond money. i don't we went out and had a meeting to we've discussed a meeting open the west side i mentioned i'd like to have it at the cultural center. but i hope my colleagues will share the concerns about the comments about the recreation and parks department i happen to be from the west side i recognize that the puc convolution is not in the business to create the recession he totally support the idea that the recreation and parks will tearful of the maintenance but i want to make sure it stays on our radar because the communication of january 24r08

the general manager related to the parks bond lake merced update and specifically that the department has indicated their engage a community outreach process in spring of 2014 and previous feedback will be used to identify the needs that rb d b will help to prioritize those needs. during that conversation i wasn't interested myself as i sat here simply dell defamating i wanted this commission to see this list of priorities that the recreation and parks came up with prior we we would adapt those pr i hope my colleagues

will agree the priorities for that land a acquit the rows and it shouldn't be determined by the rec and park department and i'm going to ask that be the order >> my recollection is that when we adapted the mo u that part of what we built into it was exactly that kind of review progress. the - it was anticipated that would come to us at the end of the calendar year we we received something that didn't fill the bill. so i think that that's an issue that we need to make sure we follow their own policy within that review cycle it's up to recreation and parks to make that happen and on some of the

correspondence i didn't see some of the issues tied to recreation and parks. so within the structure w of what we have is the people who care about lake merced so they can copious and it can be pardon or part of our annual review but they annoyed to deal that recreation and parks and they've haven't done that for a long time. i'm hoping not the copy of that but that can be part of their practice as well >> that's agreed. commissioners. okay. the only other item i have is a boarder communication from the department of the environment related to my request that we known a joint he meeting. it appears the date is a february 25th of this month. i want to touch briefly

especially in light of the presentation we received today. a number of our friends and colleagues in the public have xhivenl stated to us in many respects correctly one of the reasons they come to the puc it's where the money is at. whether we're programming or issuing grants and all that is good stuff and he support it more than a lot of people but they come here because we have a different relationship in terms of our fiscal capacity that the rec and park department or the recreation department in light of what we've been hearing but our own fiscal cliff. one the republicans reasons to continue this dialog so that the prospective go that the puc has this vast weight isn't

continuing to be the reality. we need to make sure that the message is we have a lot of very, very difficult decisions in front of of us. and we need to make sure our stakeholders and the constituents that everybody represents knows there's other avenues for raising those issues then the puc. that's why i asked for this meeting. a lot of the things especially with respect to renewable emergency and the power lyle line we've tacked about informed waste. i'm a fan of solar. we have to be well positions to take advantage of opportunity my there's love real transplant in the department of assignment with those xhishgsdz and we can have a robust dialog over some of those items because i think we have to be sensitive to the

restrictions on our time here at this commission especially with respect to the reports. i'll didn't you have an example. we spent a lot of time recently over the community arts grant. that was i think it was $100,000 that the puc made available to the arts commission to distribute on a 10 thousands dollar basis. and those folks who didn't raise the issues they came here and we had a minnie hearing. similarly some of the items that we can discuss about our entire to geology clean energy and renew works and meet our goals and observations can be made at

the department of environment 0 so our colleagues can put together a thought of agenda and there's a lot of places where we can engage those robust discussion that aren't necessarily in this room >> commissioner vietor. >> as former president of the commission on the environment and i do think in light of what we're learned today especially the fact there moibtd some necessary cuts and some problematic shifts in the department that we welcome agenda that's focused and if it's appropriate common wise to be able to say these are so many of the issues we're facing and

have a reality checkoff what's coming down the pike. i really encourage having a focused agenda on that so they can be prepared for what motive be coming. and on the other issue on the arts commission i welcome a joint meeting with the arts commission. it feels like i don't know about a rec and park department joint commission by all those things that come up. i don't know about efficiency and all that but seems like seemed like a fiscal impact or vice versa we should be scheduling that that way if it's a resource issue >> commissioner torres. >> i don't understand what the process is.

in order we provide the money to the commission and they decide where to put the money >> - >> do we give them money for the 5eshg9 thing. >> mr. kelly. >> there's a requirement we provide 2 percent of above park. we try to bones our environmental justice to reline the art money to be in alignment to, you know, our services. so in the past one of our commissioners were concerned about using our money for the buddha or the spider in front of city hall so we tried to align it to provide art money for community that we enact.

that was something that we worked off lion at that time, at harrington worked with the director of the arts commission to come up with a mo u that reflected alignment with our community policy >> and the arts commission does an awful love of not only spending our money but other. >> who paid for the chris 41 at the field sculptures. >> not us. that was - >> it was a place to put they've taken stuff out of the museum. >> so it was transferred out to the amount. >> so why do we noetd need a joint meeting. >> we had all that time where people were coming.

>> the next time we'll have a motion to refer it to the 0 arts commission so as a volunteer this is getting tedious. >> i wouldn't agriculture the same until we have a plan or proposal there's several tint. >> i see the subjective reason why we should have. >> because of the fiscal piece. >> i don't see why we need one with the arts commission. >> expect we give them money. >> so the arts commission should come to us and ask for the money. >> the difference between art is that the money that we pretty much have to set aside has to be identified so the conversation is how do you make that

expenditure in alignment. we're supporting certain programs that we have the option of increasing or decreasing so based on, you know, the commission priority and given the current circumstances maybe it is appropriate for us to engage in where we are as far as where it relates to the enterprise liquor some of the challenges. because we actually fund a large portion of their budget we should engage in that conversation as long as we can talk about the opportunities and challenges i'm willing to talk with anybody >> i would only add i think commissioner torres hit the nail on the head. with respect to the arts commission the issues have

prowler and administrative and that doesn't warrant two groups of commissioners having a meeting and noticing it while to commissioner vietor point the recreation and parks is different their administering money that we hold title to land we have an mo u. the same goes to the environmental commission. you know, my thought st. is again whatever the will of the body is but my thought is as we continue to have this dialog while we're dealing with the fiscal issues it's appropriate for us to expand the forum of the environment commission to make sure that folks know that is where you have the conversations. and while it's flushed out it

comes here. unless there's any objection is it appropriate for us to notice the meeting on february for the president of the commission on the environment >> with the agenda of - sure. >> okay. so commissioner vietor and myself anyone else who's interested well work on that agenda it will be out for the deadline. without objection that will be the order. any other items on communication. is there any any public comment on communications. yes dr. jackson >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> i'm on the i thought i was maybe i'm not anymore where i

get the agenda. and i didn't receive an agenda for this meeting. and when i called some friends of mine - let me finish baby the agenda was for 1:30 today and some people getting got here a utility. i want to make sure i'm still you know, i get the agenda and get a time where i can be on time. that's one the reason i didn't know you were going to be meeting at 11. i'm on time i'm also here. and then in your discussions of chairman i stated to you all

some time ago you are the cash cow now. redevelopment tells you be the cash cow for all the funding that's going out and you really need to know why those funds are being given and it's not being given to my opinion. i watch everything i've been walsh this city for a long time how those groups get together to represent not you but for lenore corporation. thank you very much >> thank you, dr. i think the record shows the next two commission meetings will commence at 11 clock and we'll make sure that dr. jackson get information. >> diving i'll speak briefly. i want to apologize i haven't

yet read the comprehensive financial report. i want to caucasian to the scorecard when was finalized and dis2ribd last week. i want to thank the staff nancy and todd and in furtherance of the insurance policies that this commission adapted. it's helpful to have the one page scorecard that collapses down all the various things we track and highlights the areas where we need improvement so it was a good effort thank you staff >> thank you david. >> actually. >> commissioner caen. explain what the commission statement is we got cs.

>> todd from general manager and cfo. again many of the items they're going fine but some not say much so every year we moot with the various folks and go through their workers' compensation claims and seen some increases for example, the poison okay explore so some of the counts are higher than what we like because of exposure some people are out of work or back and wrist events for modified work duty. with that said, we work in a serious business and have to be on the game and make that part of job one each day.

and put out there we're not doing has well, as we like and put more authenticities e emphasis on that >> thank you. any public comment? . communications right and a well, if communication t is dealing with the art commission >> i opened the door. >> you sure did. thank you very much i'm ann a lot armstrong. we're the hunter's point art gallery and cultural center we're the first grow up that's a nonprofit agency founded in 1969 we were supported by neighborhood arts program and that was before they phased out if anyone what remember that. i'm here to thank this lady for stating we need to look at was going on and this puc needs to know we're here because when we

do go to the art commission and e they ignore us but when we come here and put a little bit of pressure on the puc they in turn look at the commission and we get result. the majority of the art groups in the bayview health department they were not even looked at the. the monies were given out bye before we got a chance to submit our proposal and that's very unfair. we're not being able to sustainable help our young people and develop our cult because we don't get any funding so we are going to look at doing graffiti and a our kids and our young black kids they're not getting what we as their parents as artists can give them and we're asking and begging that

this puc with the cash cow situation look at what do you do what a big mess i made by giving our commission this money instead of the money in the bayview health department's we've never gotten any money from this art commission and at the don't recognize us i've been playing the game since 1968 we're going to do what we do but it maybe a little let's say i can't find a word for it we go to the junk stories and invent our compasses the bell can go off but we need to have a meeting with those people you and this group needs to meet