challenge like pg & e has, so can at&t. on the screen is our photographs of how pg & e has better understood the needs of san francisco. we would like to know if the city is holding at&t to a lesser standard compared to pg & e. on august 20th of this year in a public meeting with the coalition of san francisco neighborhoods, we recorded the following statements by at&t. when at&t was asked that -- >> my name is gary wise. i'm also the treasurer of the development and on the planning land use committee. when during the ceqa hearing in 2011, the size of the boxes was 51 inches

wide. they have grown to 59 1/2 inches. with the ballards on either side. dpw requirements be state the boxes be placed on the curb which means the walker's and baby karjs carriages exit the car. on the meetings with neighbor associations residents imply there is an option to have or not to have the boxes installed. the only thing gained by the meeting is that the box could be relocated down the street. usually in front of a resident -- renters

residence. of the ones approved i know of one disapproved on sanchez street. it was moved. as far as agreeing goes there is no possibility of putting it because there is kab net door on either side. i think that whole argument is bogus. thank you very much. >> i appreciate the process for at&t. i have two comments. the first comment provided by at&t is incomplete. the city law does require they place these

boxes on private property and this is very similar to what comcast does. i will tell you what comcast provides which offers voice internet and video as does at&t product. what they provide on information that i received was the side of the private citizens they approach. i could not retrieve under a sunshine request where the amounts they offer to those citizens on those boxes on the private property. i point this out because based on this as they said before and $100 per month. that's about $600,000 per year. that would be $30,000 per year. i'm pretty sure you would find a local resident who would have a box go on their property for $30,000 a year. the second point i want to point out, actually i will leave it at that.

>> good afternoon supervisors. i have not had to contend with any new installation of a box. i and everyone else live on a daily to try to submit the daily existing boxes. that the boxes be automatically painted every week. i religiously use my 311 app to record the graffiti on the 3 boxes on my street on third and the turn around for the abatement is

very good and the following week i have to report it again because it's painted again. why don't we take the on us off and paint it every week. supervisor scott weiner: thank you. let me call the next batch.

thank you for the opportunity. i have a word called deception. it's a location at 17th street at the upper market area. there is already an existing box. in that panel i got a note for installation on another box. strangely enough, the photo did not show that box just a few feet away. that box is already there and they want to put one in and they showed it over here without that box included in the picture. if that isn't deception; it may not be a

mortal sin but it looks like deception to me. i hope you will somehow over turn or correct this by not allowing these boxes. thank you very much. >> hi. my name is steve walker. there is a box near me about 100 feet away. i'm not here because of this particular box but to ask my supervisor's presence to hold off on the proceeding. we have seen enough evidence of the fact that they are not going through process they are supposed to be going through. that said, i have an excellent solution. i am a telecommunication expert with 24 years experience.

undergrounding these boxes is easy. i have already recommended to dpw. they asked me for information with an estimate . $15,000 per box. it's very simple to do. i have been able to do this many times in my career. this telecommunications technology -- is nothing different. it's no more water sensitive to power than pg & e. there is nothing special about this. i'm in favor of the technology and favor of at&t putting in u verse in, but not putting in boxes above ground. supervisor scott weiner: thank you, next speaker.

>> i have lived in this area for 20 years. this box has been here and it is a mess. it's been like that ever since i can remember. i checked it this morning, it belongs to comcast. we are not just talking about at&t. we are talking about a lot of other issues as well. it's something the city has failed to address. i'm talking about this street day after day, comcast, water department, you name it. no one has ever ever apparently made any effort

to get this problem corrected. it's only wire closed. it's not locked. a child can get their hands inside there. it's only 3 feet from a comcast underground box. given the city's lack of monitoring success, we have all been notified that we have to repair our sidewalks, anything more than a quarter inch has to be repaired. add a lid on them and they get cockeyed. they produce a significant threat. i have tripped on them. they are

horrible for pedestrians and we still allow these things to progress. another thing, hill has underground facility. that was done -- >> it's the north west corn er of turney and union street. supervisor scott weiner: when was the photo taken? >> yesterday. >> we appreciate that. maybe dpw can take a look at that cabinet. it's in poor shape. next speaker. >> hello, i live down the

street from where one of these boxes is going. at 13001 new hampshire and frankly i can care less. it's in a fine spot, fine if a box is there. what i want is for communities to have control of what these things look like. there is no reason that there can't be art on these boxes. of course with these at&t boxes there is the real reason which is the warranty and the anti-graffiti and obviously this is something that needed to be addressed a long time ago. i think there is a better system for making sure that we have art on these boxes. maybe it looks like a block adopting a box themselves. i would be happy to adopt the box down the street. i would be out there painting it there once a week. it would be great. as is, it's just a blank canvas and i would tag it

myself. i wouldn't but i would think about it especially as an artist. yeah, let's adopt boxes and figure out another way. thank you. supervisor scott weiner: thank you. mr. wilson. before you go let me call the final batch of cards that i have. these are all the cards i have. >> my name is bill wilson. as you know i'm the president of the neighborhood association. i wanted to speak to process. because i have learned a lot today. mainly because what is described today isn't exactly

what happened in our case. mr. blake man did come to our neighborhood association. i'm not exactly sure when, but it had to have been at least 4 years ago because presidential terms are 2 years and we've been through at least two more presidents since i was president. he came, he spoke, he promised we would hear from him and we never have although the boxes are already sprouting in our neighborhood. one of the things i learned today according to the guideline 18 the facility shall not be in front of boundaries or open space. now i understand also hearing further that that was because when it was originally proposed the original proposal was it couldn't have hit the

park but evidently when they did a walk around a box walk, they decided to -- nobody actually that might be a convenient place to put it but nobody knows where it didn't both everybody. so what i'm saying is we can move this box not out of the neighborhood but if we can find a place in finding solutions. we are in a neighborhood where we have done graffiti clean up and we have the people there that are volunteering.

>> my name is mario -- i want to thank you to give the people of san francisco to express an opportunity of outrage. we've all heard of this, the at&t versus st city of san francisco. this is a deliberate strategy that at&t has employed to mislead and bully the citizens and ownes of san francisco. we are given numbers, hundreds of people want this, boxes. but what we care about is that the owner, the property owner wants that box in front of his house. the other people surrounding that property. do they want it? we

speak about this one law that allows the right of way. we ask you. the guidelines are not proper. dpw guidelines as they are to date are not proper. we have seen and heard enough today to understand that. let's take action. i'm proposing that we put this on the ballots. that the citizens of san francisco have a right to say no to this ugliness. thank you so much. i appreciate it. supervisor scott weiner: thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon. i live on randall street on supervisor wiener's district. i live on this property and the so-called box walk to the dpw hearing and

we were one of the three as far as i can tell, we are one of the three that have been an appealed by at&t that were actually over turned by dpw and the director of dpw and the director in their pronouncement suggested that at&t come back and look at more alternatives. although it was hinted today, i don't know what their response was. they said they filed a legal challenge by an attorney in chicago that said the director of dpw does not have the authority to go back and work with the neighbors. essentially filed a legal technique -- technicality, they filed a legal technicality. did that work with the neighbors? i don't understand that at all. how in the world can they get over

that. at the end of the day the whole thing is a pretense anyway that they are working with dpw and working with neighbors. now they have come out and said when you are finally working through process we have at least one got a hearing and said we are not going back to doing it again. why have those hearings in the first place? i don't understand. thank you.a

>> what they call customer service is a joke. it's just a terrible company. so i oppose it on those grounds. practically but anyone else would have the benefit of our public infrastructure of what it should be unacceptable business citizen. i feel that at&t has not been. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> good afternoon supervisors, my name is kathleen courtney for the housing zone community association. i like many people that have spoken to you before

today appear before the board of supervisors on a lot of different issues having to do with transportation, housing, zoning, traffic areas. telecommunications is something that is really causing a lot of difficulty. we are your constituents. we elected you to take care of this city for us. we are here because we live here and we are concerned about this city and we want to make sure that it works for us and everybody here. this is not working. it was a mistake to permit the installation of these boxes. it's time to remedy that mistake. tough decision, who else do we look to but you and the full board

to address this situation. all of the hundreds of people that have been here today are here not baby sitting grandchildren, not on their jobs, not helping the soup kitchens, but here because we care about this city and called to your attention, this is your job. supervisor wiener you have helped our neighborhood telecommunications situation. this is going to require a new way of looking at it. i call to your attention at an at&t is not build for graffiti clean up. dpw acknowledged that several weeks ago at a hearing.

>> if they do they get time to reply or under the courts disapproval of the boxes in the neighborhood. many of the organizations individuals have had to leave early and cannot make to the meeting. i'm submitting a document with 29 more comments that, but stay the same as all the of the community members have said. i'm going to read one of the comments that i think grasp all the points in a concise

matters. the boxes are ugly and will be magnet for graffiti and pollute the street scape. at&t shouldn't have any right to take public space for it's private interest. if at&t wants to sell it's service boxes. >> good afternoon, my name is seata ve. i'm here to read the comments from one of our members. she says "i live on telegraph hill. we live here

and share the sidewalks with the hundreds that visits north beach and fisherman's wharf every year. with homes all overlooking the bay with a golden gate bridge over all. we are going to mar all of this with utility boxes? the dream we all live here, the dream people carry in their hearts that makes them come here from all over the world. please stop this supervisors. require at&t to replace the boxes underground on to other cites as we ask other utilities to do. thank you so much."

>> good evening, supervisors. i also work for san francisco beautiful. i'm here to read another public record from another member who couldn't be here today. "i write to express my thoughts concerning the installation of public property in public space. in general the need for private businesses respond to marketplace needs to plan for and execute effect ively for the future should be encouraged. however it should be to elected and non-elected officials for public comment. in my opinion the proposed boxes shows the consideration for the public officials and the organization proposing such boxes to be placed throughout the city. while san francisco is by know means without blight problems and disturbing images,

it does deserve far better than the dozen of boxes that fit into the landscape rather than what is widely acclaimed. i strongly encourage you to halt all installations pending a redesign. a full eir for the entire project for each site. there is no reason why the pro the should be separated into small boxes and each side taken as separate uts -- units as a whole. i urge you to deny the boxes to accommodate community needs and standards. thank you. supervisor scott weiner: thank you, next speaker, please. >> hi, my name is joel, president of the residents association. the problem i have

is with the city ducks list. it no longer exist. the technology is so old and cannot be updated and no new name can be added to it and they still have no solution to it. i as the president of the association had to contact dpw, at&t, planning department to get the information updated so that the former president who should not be hassled with these types of issues, there is a real issue with process and there is a simple thing to be able to get this list so at&t can contact people or any other agency with san francisco. that is no. 1. no. 2, i attended a hearing and they decided to do a box walk afterwards, if i'm giving you my contact information, there should be a hearing. i could

not notify members of my association who thought that i had notified. there is another issue with process. if we can get this cleared up, everybody would be a lot happier. thank you very much. supervisor scott weiner: thank you, next speaker, if there are any additional commenters, please lineup, unless there is other folks to speak, miss berkowitz is our final commenter. >> if you want to e-mail us

afterwards, we can make it part of the record. >> san francisco neighborhoods which consist of 48 neighborhoods throughout the city. everybody's district. i think the point is with all of this is that we have reached a tipping point of sidewalk boxes from every company plus the city. and i know planning has a term for it which escapes me for a moment. it's the tipping point. i received several e-mails about these boxes coming into my neighborhood because i am registered at city decks which asno longer exist. there is no place to object except to the public