that code. additionally the code is the street cleaning for the parking and traffic for the mta for the department for their traffic control. the 10 b unit is centralized on the floor across from the field operations control. we have one captain and two sergeants. what comes through this. the first time that comes to mind is the movies and films. any requirements they have for the shooting of movies we work in concert with the film commission with their requirements what they're going to need for the filming to take place. they generally need our

motorcycle unit. we can't get the motorcycle officers we call on the motorcycle you officers and if not we try to get the regular officers with their bikes to perform the needs. next thing we provide services for is construction. throughout it city there's numerous construction projects and through the mta to - the construction companies are required to have mitigation for pedestrian concerns through their permitting a their required to hire additionally police services or for parking and traffic control. businesses commercial businesses and shopping mauls and retail stores and private firms they can higher our police services for additional needs. event in the city conventions.

we provide police services through 10 b for oracle. moscone center there the numerous conventions they have through their own services they hire us for those events. supporting events in the city baseball and the world series all-star games and football at least 8 home games unfortunately they're going down to santa clara. successor games down to candle stick park and not to mention the various runs and the data breakers and swimming events our marine unite is taxes out along with the other police services.

we have strictly the treasure island music they require additional services and they seek us out. private weddings and parties venues and store oakland maritime support services and product releases they call us for additional services. how does the process work any person can call our unit and ask for our services and we'll give them american people estimate. the construction as i mentioned earlier through the permitting there mta they make their requirements based on their estimate and size of the project as to how it is going to impact the contingent and pedestrians so to make it safe for everybody they'll make the recommendations

and the construction your company will contact us. special events. the street closures generally the process that works for that if an organizer is going to have an event they seek out the district station. they have confidence with the event sergeant and the captain at the district station and through the permitting that governors the street closures they meet and they come to an understanding what police services are noted and if ten b services are permitted then the organizations seek us out for whatever staffing has been agreed upon. same would go for the racess and things they wouldn't contact the

district station sergeant corey deals with the speciality of dealing with the traffic and they workout mite whatever traffic and whatever is needed to make the event save. some of the things that are considered when they go to the permitting the type of event the scope and how many attendees are going to be there. if they had it last year was the staffing and safety plan was it met? was it too much can they scale it back or were there things to add into the current year. paramount. how does it impact the city. those who don't attend the event have the same right to enjoy

their space so those considerations have to be addressed while they're figuring out what needs are going to be met for that. what resources does the traffic and other agencies are going to be needed. as we have the data breakers that covered many, many district and a required many, many different services throughout our department. america's cup was there it tax the out our division and we had the marine services out on the water making it save for those venues. and then those are going to be alcohol served and to what degree is it beer or hard liquor is it open to the public is it a

paid event all those services are taken into consideration. after the permit is approved the district station will formulate an operational plan and reviewed by the captain of the station then forwarded up to the chain and those chiefs sign off and make adjustments. once it's signed off the organize next year's come to us and we provide them with a written statement of the cost. once they agree upon the costs we hire the officers and they give us a deputy and the billing goes out. any questions >> i think there are probably

some questions. >> can i ask one quick question. >> sure. >> i'm glad you broke counsel the rates for the number of officers that are requested. is scott make the final number the actual number of officers >> it's notes cot it's the agreement based on all the entities involved with east cot. whether it be parking and traffic or abc whatever entities have a stake in that event how it's going to impact in those meetings make some agreement to what the appropriate staffing for police and/or whatever agencies. is everything you said written down somewhere so people can have is a guideline or guidebook so this is how i can estimate

for myself >> in the administrator code it's not written down to the exact dollar amount but what it is for the time and a hoof. >> but the process. >> yes. it's no our department manual and in the traffic code or the transportation code 6.6 that outlines thees cot and how much to be charged. commissioner joseph and then commissioner hyde >> i used 10 b a lot. in this past year i had an opportunity to use the k9 units after the boston bombing we used them for pride and i'm a dog lover they won't let me pet them. so i have a question 10 b is

requested and you present them to the proefrment what's the process to come to some further agreement like for instance, there's a hypothetical street fair you think we can sgo do this with four officers and not 10 how do you resolve those issues. >> there's a process in the transportation code for them to ask for resolution and there's also the permit officers and the sergeant special event sergeant at the station work with the promoters to come to a resolution. it's generally considered outside how many police and other private security to hire to mitigate some of those

concerns >> so it's subjective as to the captain of the station and the permit officer. >> they would be one of the first stops in this process. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner hyde. >> hi, thanks for coming out. >> you're welcome and so there's a centralized office is that a new development. i had - and a prior to november of last year not 2013, 2012 it was disseminated at the station there was coordinated saeshths that dealt with those needs but in november of 2012 it was all centralized >> and what was the idea of strel it. i'm trying to figure out you can't what the need >> that was a decision made and a deputy hoffman they wanted to

be able to centralize the resources so if we dealt with data breakers we were directly in connection with f organization b cross the hall. >> you also said people directly all and higher 10 b especially for weddings and stuff like that. i understand that often a small party or stuff like that can then have steno b placed upon them without their request is that true? like if it was a small fundraiser i police can say you need 10 b officers and this is the need >> i believe without any requirement to hire 10 b be it

there be some type of permitting if there's going to be a lane closure those would require an investigation. >> so like a fundraiser and a small venue. >> the only time a small venue if there's a consideration for alcohol. it would be a consideration >> and then i was wondering another thing that i know that recalling sales force had a event plainer he got an itemized billy said he hadn't seen an itemized bill for 10 b officers.

do itemized bills go out to everyone that used 10 b officers >> i can't speak for 0 them but since the office has been centralized they're given r given a estimate. we have no idea to know how long an event is going to be if their event is more than 10 hours it will be more or if less then less. it's an estimate but resourcefully it's close iowa to wasn't they're going to pay >> someone pays a down payment and there's a certain amount of officers assigned. is it true that the officers are

required to show up that day? >> if - >> i'm asking questions that have been brought to me. a few people had said there are a certain number of officers assigned to a party or street fire. is it the number of officers that are assigned are they guaranteed to show up and have that many officers there >> we do our very best to provide what's requested of us. 10 b is a volunteer participation there's inform mandate. if we seek anti 10 officers sign up the only thing that will prevent them from showing up is they're sick. for some reason we're not able

to staff the event we give that information to the event coordinated >> again according to there are certain street fairs that are grand father. >> yes. >> there's some discussion but generally there's this kind of set number they'll continue to use year after year. >> i spoke to cindy earlier today about that it was in the e-mail communication. there are certain event the grandfathered events that you speak of. under the transportation code 6.6 there's a pay scale for police services so that pay scale is used for the textbook b services or police services for that event. she told me what happens is if the event has changed and we'll

speak of the alley event. that was originally grandfathered in but that event changed its footprint it expand to cover the event it was larger additional services on top of that scale price would be asked for >> i'm glad you brought that up one of the things i know when dorsey alley was he will having trouble for public services concerns they noted to expand the street. they now have a number of similar number of officers they have at the, if you will, u folsom street fair. are there like size consideration and number of patrons that go into it.

>> the scheduling of the etc. cot there's 23 hundred and 50 thousand and more than 2 hundred and 50 attendees would be the difference in pricing. >> you said there's certain guidelines for certain parties if they feel there's a certain party that might be out of control there're more. >> i know there are discussions and is alcohol going to be served and what kind of alcohol is that a public event or paid event to determine exactly you know how many people are going to be there and how long the alcohol is going to be served and a okay. and finally. thank you very much for fielding all those questions.

i'm just wondering is there an amount of time that the organization has to be novelist of when 10 b is going to, required of them >> i believe in the transportation code 6 there's a deadline in there i believe a couple of weeks prior to the event they finally lists the permitting. >> can 10 b added to that later. >> i believe if something changes. >> thank you very much. >> other commissioners comments. >> real quick. so the time of progress an event is planned a year in advance. so usually security needs are sdugsdz to whenes cot is doing their thing and the captains are trying to figure out how much security the officers needed what's the actual timeline

that's given to the promoter to at least look at the cost and have a chance to maybe if they don't think itself over burdening them they have a chance to address the issue or due process they can talk to a commander. if you're saying the code is only two weeks that's not you much time for an event promoter to get his budget together >> i reviewed the language i believe it's somewhere around two weeks. when we graft our estimates as soon as we get the information we comical it because he want as much time to get the officers scheduled so we can successfully make it >> in the past then how much time have you been given.

likees cot drops it on you two weeks before >> i don't believees cot drops it on us. recently, there was a wedding that popped up in a week. there's other event like oracle's coming back but we can optional work in their timeline as well. i know that this year with dream force there were issues for considerations with the construction projects that are actively occurring at the time how they were going to mitigate those issues to make the traffic flow and pedestrian flow. so it seems to me like there's a lot of time to plan those negligence but sometimes, it come out with a month ahead of time >> i think that dream force and

ail the corporate's i'm not concerned with more with the nonprofits we're going to lose them because they can't plan their budget but overall there's a planning financial stuff they could raise the money they need instead of being in the hole at the end of the event we're trying to streamline this. >> i'm not the there is i'll pass the concerns on to, you know, cindy and let me let her know there's a concern and maybe people can speed up their timelines. >> commissioner joseph. >> i want to say something if you know you're going to do a street fair you know it months and months in advance. you don't have to go toes cot

you can go 8 months ahead. if you know you're doing a street fair and understand whether you're a nonprofit you go toes cot in a timely fashion and get your street closure and go and get our 10 b. if a promoter waits for two weeks ago it's on him. he's got to be somewhat responsible in a business sort of way and go there early enough to get his 10 b in a timely fashion and it's also fair to the police and the other organization the control officers in parking and anything else they need to staff it >> if i can piggy back we've had times when organize next

year's call you us we'll give them a ballpark to give them an idea. there's ways to get the prices out there or concerns before accident finalized permit >> i'm back up on that one. it's true events go on but sometimes the word didn't come down how many they need, you know, how many 10 b officers they need. sometimes, it comes kind of late >> a lot of this comes down to predicts the cost and the number if it's subjective it will be hard for the promoters to say. >> any other commissioner questions or comments. i see sheriff he'll be

presenting >> if anyone is interested in any public comment? there are those pink speaker cards you want to pick one up before you speak >> i'm sheriff and happy new year commissioners. there's not a lot we can present. i've certainly more than happy to answer questions but i'll reflect in my prior capacity as a supervisor for seven years at district 5 that was for japantown and i was also a member of the budget committee often there would be requests of then promoters and neighborhood organizations and small meetings and large events that would look to us to try to negotiate a

better fair or rate because it can be cost permissible active for us to put on a mom and pop kind of event. we also look to and still do to the police department because in the charter 10 b is clear in its stipulation it provides the san francisco police department as the agency that has the first right of refusal in its determination how 10 b is administered in the city and county of san francisco. it also is attached to that first right of refusal their ability to visit other agencies to help provide services. back then when i was on the committee of the services that weren't cord that he sfpd were

less than he 10 percent so all services related in the cities is essential everything but less than one percent. now as sheriff it's interesting when we field phone calls about what roles we can provide inform 10 b i'm still reminded as supervisor and sheriff we have the second largest law enforcement agency in the city we have been 8 hundred and 50 peace officers that are credentialed in the same way and people we want to get them to you understand especially, if their first time promoters they'll call us and we refer them to the police department again, we stick by the rules of the chart section ores cot

organization code. but if part of the information goal in this hearing is to shed light on the question in a city as in marvelous as san francisco as cosmopolitan as it is it's growing in its cost prohibiting nature if part of this hearing is to try to understand a little bit about what those options are you know, i applauded your efforts because this hadn't been well probed. i think that if there was any take away from this basic information i'd like to see as shelving a greater participating with the police department on this question of 10 b not strictly of one department over another but because of the cost that's pass on to the taxpayers

and the people who are essential showing up with dollars. what may not be misunderstand the deputy sheriff from a peace officer is the difference of 23 percent. so it's the cost of that time and depending upon if that's right time and half of that delta between a deputy sheriff and a ranking and file member of the police department it's a 23 percent less differential. with the aggregate concern of the city and the cities intention is to address ways we can reduce foes or make access a little more portable in some respect i look to our, you know,

our brothers in sfpd to help us to be able to work collectively in answering the larger call and help to make san francisco fun that access to fun and at the same time help answer questions of affordability. i believe we have a role as the department it's a unique gesture because i understand this wall has not been well explained before from the sheriff's department but as a supervisor i knew that there are ways we can creativelyly present two members within the city making sure that sfpd continues to do the incredible work they do on