know if you want to do it but hesitates talk about that are. i'm happy to talk further at the next meeting >> give us 30 seconds on the newark power line. >> as i understand it the power is generated at the 3 powerhouses we have transition lines to newark california from newark we pay pg&e through the injecting enter connection agreement to move the power from newark on its lines to san francisco for ultimate distribution i hope i'm getting this right. the initial thought as part of the act and the build out we would essentially witness no. run lines into san francisco it didn't happen we got as far as

newark and pg&e had build a new line so there was a deal struck for us to optional convey power as far as newark and pay pg&e to wring it the last million. it appears to me that part of that transition and distribution costs we're paying pg&e that would increase under this both the liability things the tariffs the new i a would cover that territory from nourishing to san francisco. i'm not suggesting we build no transition lines in the city but at least that high voltage transition from nourishing to of - from newark the cost motive just knowing what the cost is in

the trade offices is important. it's been talked about from time to time but i don't know what the costs are >> just a followup on that i -- i talked earlier to the general manager i'd like to see that on our list of things to talk about. we know that the transition costs is a big bucket and could it be a revenue to us to that cost if by the take that on. and one other comment. on david brought we haven't fully talked about what we're asking for and working towards. would it be three-quarters of a kent or gradually rising up to

our cost coverage. without getting into that and it plays into that when it is going to come up and how is it going to be paid for >> so to talk about the transmission line we'll definitely follow-up and put that on our list as part of the quarterly workshop we'll give you an update on that item. so we will prepare and present on that. i think, you know, we could probably, maybe have the other item as well and give you an update on that as well quarterly >> okay. and we do have information about the transmission line; right?

>> yeah. >> mr. brooks please. . hello eric >> good afternoon, commissioners eric san francisco green party. first a little bit of good news and an important observation minnesota just beat out fossil futile i foul electric on price and australia just beat coal and in sonoma county they're going to introduce a foul that's cleaner than pg&es dirty power. its not just efficiency it's renewables that are an opportunity not a liability.

so, now with regards to the hetch hetchy system and the climate crisis. we could be facing a 10 year drought or a permanent drought that's a real possibility. if we're going to lose itch of the generation policy of the house/senate system we better take those opportunities i've talked about and start rapid building large amaze of other renewables to have a reliable power source to sell power to our customers we'll be able to sell cheaper than pg&e. mentioning the climate crisis regardless of the fact there's an opportunity and not a liability we can't be balancing budget in the 21st century on the fragile back of the earth's atmosphere.

if you listen to what scientists are saying scientists never want to make alarming statement to the public are now making alarming statement talking about possible collapse of human civilization within this century or by the end of it at least. and that means that both because of renewables are an opportunity and because we're facing the end of out of civilization we can't be cuttingy newable energy programs we need to be vastly increasing them and to cut them instead is like what the federal government is doing right now with things like informed staples and contemplating social security those are things that gives us more opportunity.

we need to fully fund sf and not cut it. in the document that was presented that we - this hadn't been discussed a program that's far less expensive will give us hundreds of kilowatts n is in sf and staff is ready to put that to the side. you should know that they're getting rode to do an rfp. and that means we need you to direct our staff to likewise work with them so your department is ready to take part in clean sf and what i would say even though go solar sf and clean power sf is stand alone program and didn't effect our

hetch hetchy budget the reality is if we start a about how many putting huge amounts of workings to work for the next decade we are going to create economies of scale with which the hetch hetchy enterprise can also build out at the same time lots of renewables and like i said at the beginning can develop a replacement electrical source in case hetch hetchy is not going to be book on the line >> thank you eric. >> francis 0 please. good afternoon. >> good morning and happy new

year to all of you. my strengthens working inform the department of defense was in infrastructure. so i hear this long budget description and i would like to notify each and everyone of you who care for this city to go back to the regular act and to see at that time, what was destined in water and power for san francisco. as as opposed to what triefrd in the decade. the big businesses that have money they will and your commissioners, if you all have any standards, be ethics, morals

you all know that sometimes you can't say much because of politics. now realistically speaking how many million dollars of globulins of clean water of hetch hetchy a leaks into our ground. we need to have the technology to monitor our pipes to get realtime results to find out about how many millions of gallons of clean water leaks into our ground and effects our watershed. now having said that, that we don't know how many people work for puc maybe 2 thousand plus that just like the city nobody know where the 29 thousand

workers work but anyway, having one worker for every 289 constituents is a joke. so in the year 9014 for example, we want to know all the new people that were hired in one of you all department of external affairs rather than those five or six people are warranted. we want to know and we want to know if they work so hard how did they find time and use their influence as a conduit to send $1,200,000 to green. so good men come here and try to like talk the talk that's fine. we have to learner to walk the walk. thank you very much >> thank you francisco.

next card jason freed >> jason freed. chair al loss couldn't be here so i'm here with his notes and according to the january 10th could he power points that gm kelly put total and harassing as mr. brooks mentioned we believe this program is good. when you take a look at you're looking for new customers cac is an abundance of new customers what could help and i'll san diego with mr. brooks it can underline our hetch hetchy budget if i look contracting the

shell the cac program can help pay for those and you'll have them still available for the work on scheduling of power or the other items they do. there are ways to bring them in to cover the budget imperial operations and there's money through the c pa c we krnt u currently have are a program according to c pa c we could be going after the $9 million for efficients work right now. we could help to fund the programs because we're in tough wments the budget so to address those concerns couldn't be taken off the table.

i need to direct our staff and figure out how it can help us address some of the agent orange problems how do we the city diverse from hetch hetchy which in drought years is going to be a problem if you diverse your portfolio you can have a boarder basis of customers and the item that was brought up about connecting from newark all the way to the city give us opportunity to bring on larger customers it's going over the fence as you're bringing power into the city so i encourage you to direct staff and does not let cca to move away and cca is not going to solve our problems but it can get you closer not going

over a financial cliff >> thank you jason. in light of that i'm going to ask that staff prepare a short memoranda and that's the availability of fund i think you said a total of $8 million but i'd like some kind of a written memoranda written whether the puc can engage the c puc and acquire some of the fund either under the guys of our own power division. i know it's important and unless there's objections that will be the order >> i want to have the issues raised about the potential to use the cca to meet the received issues we've been talking about and what that positioning posh

motive look like. >> next card nicole. >> good afternoon, commissioners. >> good afternoon. appreciate being here happy new year to each of you. this has been an interesting budget workshop for me. it's highlighted the utilities folks don't want to mention. we know how vitality those are to the delivery of water mountain tunnel and members of congress son and others. as i look at it and hear with you said. some of the costs for those projects are large. and they're not all known yet so you still have some questions in those later years what's it

going to cost us. as commissioner vietor said those projects were not concluded in the we're accept. and funding is not secured. well, you adapt our two year budget you don't have the fund for the c i p going out 10 years so water and power rates have not been raised to cover the projected costs. we are looking at the c i p proposal so we're going to continue our review we'll have more questions as we continue that. and how those questions are resolved some of the funding and who paid. might not effect the sub total of the overall cost of the total and how it impacts the rates for us. so i intend to work with our

staff and have been talking with mr. rick i didn't and b will get you further comments >> thank you for being here north america coal. >> doctor jackson. good afternoon >> sorry that i'm late i was at another meeting and when i heard you talking about solar my case you wasn't talking about solar i want to say i've been chosen as your representative which they've taken pictures of me to put on hangers to talk about and to call about solar because, you know, that's my baby. solar. and i agree with one of the statement that was made about the lame that's going on especially in hunter's point and it came to my mind, you know,

before this body was set up you was set up and the voters voted it was to take care of the pipes and i remember requesting that before you do anything with the sewage plant please put the that is my understanding in because a lot of you don't know the area or city but warehouse where i live at health department's it's one the worst areas for lineal is that when the old houses that blacks lived in the housing authority took over the property and they built over where the other housing were and they started at local streets. if you're not knowing the area of bay hunter's point you

wouldn't know where the blacks lived in the 40s up into the vodz and we were able to move into public hours it was built for black folk but only for poor whites. what's sad is we don't have people that live in bayview health department that can instruct you or your staff because you're responsible for the staff and when i read in the newspaper that's your priority to know what you're staff is doing if they don't know the job you should fire them and see that you have qualified employees working on your staff

>> that's it. counselor >> apologizes. eddy from bright line defense project. and just two quick points that on reviewing this presentation. realizing two years yg ago bright utilize advocated for a rate increase with the understanding it's anonymous go policy in order to reflect the true cost of electricity but with shoring up the capital programs. its poouflz that two years later to the effect of $60 million so we'll comment to work for full funding on the program based on the second point which is if there's general fund resources

being discussed the sf pc shortfall this show take into account that the solar will increase tax revenue. with all those policy points in mind we'll be back in the future to discuss sf solar and it's been a great program and will continue to be a great program >> thank you for being here eddy. if there's no other any public comment? we will move on to the next item because pub any public comment? is closed >> what about lunch. >> and other breaks? >> i'm going to callpresident.

>> call that meeting back to order fouling our short recess and take full responsibility we took subsequential more time. ma'am, secretary next item >> item 6 is communications. >> commissioner. >> okay. if you'll divulge me there's a couple of things i want to say. first, we have a any public comment? after each item and i try carefully to make sure that i not only do fail to call for the

public opportunity to discuss the items so, you know, we can get a better feel for what's utilizing out there. i want to say again for the record we have a lot of staff i happen to represent myself a number of employees with work $0.40 for the public commission but your management team is extraordinarily outstanding. oftentimes they find it difficult to basically make everybody happy; right? i want to make sure that everybody knows that we support our team that's in place because we know that every effort is being made on behalf of each individual to get cross the goal line and some days we lose sight

of that pr with with respect to the communications i'm going to point out you tell first number 6 b the letter summary i'm going to start with the communications via the electronic mail to supervisor yee and it recommendation to making lake merced and public i didn't banks banks to this rec and park update. we've had long xhfgz i think we had a hearing to the boat house and the bond money. i don't we went out and had a meeting to we've discussed a meeting open the west side i mentioned i'd like to have it at the cultural center. but i hope my colleagues will

share the concerns about the comments about the recreation and parks department i happen to be from the west side i recognize that the puc convolution is not in the business to create the recession he totally support the idea that the recreation and parks will tearful of the maintenance but i want to make sure it stays on our radar because the communication of january 24r08 the general manager related to the parks bond lake merced update and specifically that the department has indicated their engage a community outreach process in spring of 2014 and previous feedback will be used

to identify the needs that rb d b will help to prioritize those needs. during that conversation i wasn't interested myself as i sat here simply dell defamating i wanted this commission to see this list of priorities that the recreation and parks came up with prior we we would adapt those pr i hope my colleagues will agree the priorities for that land a acquit the rows and it shouldn't be determined by the rec and park department and i'm going to ask that be the order >> my recollection is that when

we adapted the mo u that part of what we built into it was exactly that kind of review progress. the - it was anticipated that would come to us at the end of the calendar year we we received something that didn't fill the bill. so i think that that's an issue that we need to make sure we follow their own policy within that review cycle it's up to recreation and parks to make that happen and on some of the correspondence i didn't see some of the issues tied to recreation and parks. so within the structure w of what we have is the people who care about lake merced so they can copious and it can be pardon

or part of our annual review but they annoyed to deal that recreation and parks and they've haven't done that for a long time. i'm hoping not the copy of that but that can be part of their practice as well >> that's agreed. commissioners. okay. the only other item i have is a boarder communication from the department of the environment related to my request that we known a joint he meeting. it appears the date is a february 25th of this month. i want to touch briefly especially in light of the presentation we received today. a number of our friends and colleagues in the public have xhivenl stated to us in many respects correctly one of the reasons they come to the puc it's where the money is at.

whether we're programming or issuing grants and all that is good stuff and he support it more than a lot of people but they come here because we have a different relationship in terms of our fiscal capacity that the rec and park department or the recreation department in light of what we've been hearing but our own fiscal cliff. one the republicans reasons to continue this dialog so that the prospective go that the puc has this vast weight isn't continuing to be the reality. we need to make sure that the message is we have a lot of very, very difficult decisions in front of of us. and we need to make sure our stakeholders and the constituents that everybody represents knows there's